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Making videos highlighting older, less common and more interesting model trains from around the world. Plus a few bargains to look out for! Also including some real life locos blasting along the seafront.
Class 17 Clayton from Heljan. Any good?
14:44
Месяц назад
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@danishmorgan22
@danishmorgan22 6 часов назад
Diesel is pulling Toad the Brakevan!
@danishmorgan22
@danishmorgan22 6 часов назад
Your worthy Sir Topham Hatt thinks I need to learn. He is mistaken. We diesels don't need to learn. We know everything. We come into a yard and improve it. We are REVOLUTIONARY!
@ivovanzon164
@ivovanzon164 12 часов назад
And another member of the V200 family. These were usually reserved for the Talgo trains, which is the reason for the very low build
@forrestrobin2712
@forrestrobin2712 День назад
You got a bargain ! Even if it is a repaint. Wrenn and Hornby Dublo are lovely engines. Definitely favourites of mine. They are truly bullet proof ! See if you can find Hornby Dublo 2-rail versions (Wrenn inherited the tooling from them), the Dublo/Wrenn Castles, 8F’s and 2-6-4T’s are great. The old Dublo ones are often cheaper than the later Wrenn versions. The original versions were of course the Hornby Dublo City of London in 2-rail and the 3-rail City of Liverpool.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 16 часов назад
Thanks for the pointers, I will be keeping an eye out at future train fairs that's for sure. Thanks for watching
@AndrewCooper-eo7oh
@AndrewCooper-eo7oh День назад
I have 10 of those I love them that just go and go.
@AndrewCooper-eo7oh
@AndrewCooper-eo7oh 2 дня назад
I love them. I don't have one yet.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 16 часов назад
Keep a look out, they do turn up at decent prices occasionally, even on eBay. Thanks for watching
@ivovanzon164
@ivovanzon164 2 дня назад
This one has the upgraded version of the motor. A tip for the maintenance: the brass bushing is designed to store a certain amount of oil. The best way to do maintenance on these is to let it suck in as much oil as possible, and only then put oil on the axle. I did run one of these on a 360 mm radius without issues
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 16 часов назад
Thanks for the tip, most appreciated. Thanks for watching
@les-halestation
@les-halestation 4 дня назад
Hi. L love these older models ,whether it's Lima,Hornby,Mainline. Good prices.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 3 дня назад
Yeah, me too
@ivovanzon164
@ivovanzon164 8 дней назад
For the dates: the Vedes one is from 1987. The VTG is probably late 1980s or 1990s based on the close couplers and not mentioning West.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 5 дней назад
Thanks for that, always good to know.
@brucemacklin2969
@brucemacklin2969 8 дней назад
Hi If you go to the Hornby Railway collectors Guide you will find details regarding this loco.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 5 дней назад
I use this site frequently when something is not in Ramseys Guide but I do find the search option a bit finicky. Thanks for the info.
@chriswade7470
@chriswade7470 9 дней назад
The Locombody has been repainted, you can see the original livery when it’s upside down
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 5 дней назад
Yes, that's what I thought. Thanks
@kennethbrunt9682
@kennethbrunt9682 11 дней назад
I have two Wrenn Duchess, Maroon City of London and Green City of Birmingham. Both of them very heavy, hense good pulling power. No fancy bells and whistles. Just good old fashion quality.
@headsup2433
@headsup2433 11 дней назад
If you go online you can find the old Wren catalogues in a pdf file. I think it was green and has been painted, the metal body can be taken back to shiny metal with paint stripper or Dettal watered down.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 11 дней назад
Good idea - thanks
@headsup2433
@headsup2433 11 дней назад
@@fairweathertrains3029 I only just found out that Dettal watered down is a paint stripper, it smells the house out, but works.
@rogerking7258
@rogerking7258 12 дней назад
I have an immaculate City of Stoke on Trent which I somehow picked up for £60 and converted to DCC (quite a complicated job with one of the motor brushes being directly connected to the chassis in electrical terms). Anyway, it runs fabulously, even at walking pace. Referencing your comments about the weight, it appears effectively to have unlimited pulling power; mind you, I have a Wrenn Class 08 and even that doesn't bat an eyelid at huge loads. Wrenn locos are old school, not hugely detailed, but very robust and built to last.
@NewModelRailway1
@NewModelRailway1 14 дней назад
I don't know if I've got a vivid imagination but those Pullman coaches going by in the background look like they have a giant penguin at each window looking out.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 14 дней назад
and now I can't unsee that!!
@rebelwag
@rebelwag 13 дней назад
The wrenn city of Birmingham was in BR green with orange & black lining, later crest on tender. Hope this is helpful ​@@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 3 дня назад
I thought that was the case - thanks for that
@peterhopewell9431
@peterhopewell9431 14 дней назад
I had a Wrenn standard 264tank when I was a kid. Not too long ago I saw Rick on Well Chuffed Trains get a decent one for 60 quid.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 14 дней назад
I will certainly be keeping an eye out for more
@wellchuffedrailways
@wellchuffedrailways 12 дней назад
Indeed I did!😃
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 11 дней назад
Yes, I have watched that one & will keep a keen eye out at train/toy fairs
@phil5460
@phil5460 15 дней назад
The Typhoons need updating with 2 jets Engine. 2 fins, and Ither keep or dump the smell control winglet. It a great Aircraft and I like it, But it is no match up against the laters SU's or Migs.
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 18 дней назад
I picked up a differen Crompton when I saw that Rails of Sheffield had them heavily discounted. Mine is a 33/2 in BR green with full yellow ends, but Heljan must be having a funny turn if their RRPs are anything to go by. If they keep setting such high prices for their models, then I won't be surprised if we see more instances of retailers slashing prices just to shift the stock. The Class 33s aren't the only Heljan models I've seen on a steep discount recently; Rails also had the Ruston 165 on sale, but I'm stearing well clear of that thing myself.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 18 дней назад
Yes, I won't be considering that Ruston 165 anytime soon either. However, I am more than happy with this class 33. Thanks for watching
@thomasmills6427
@thomasmills6427 21 день назад
I dont believe it you have the same Rat as I do
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 20 дней назад
and it's a cracker!
@newlynnrailway
@newlynnrailway 24 дня назад
They look like a slight improvment over the old lima version, I`ve a few lima ones to represent BHA that ran here
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 23 дня назад
They are a small step up from the old Lima models but not as much as you might expect!
@railway187
@railway187 28 дней назад
Beautiful livery 🤩 very interesting review 👍 New subscriber 🙋‍♂️
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 23 дня назад
Still going strong and a beauty too. Thanks for the sub
@oldBRfan
@oldBRfan Месяц назад
The Great Central Railway in Leicestershire has just acquired two units for their heritage fleet.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
That's nice to know, thanks
@welshtransportguy
@welshtransportguy Месяц назад
It’s sad that the sprinters in transport for Wales are going away. Also nice video
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
It is and thanks for watching
@ivovanzon164
@ivovanzon164 Месяц назад
Manufacturing date range is 2003-2008. Best cheap update for these is getting the brake disc stickers for the wheels
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Nice, thanks for the info
@tubularap
@tubularap Месяц назад
That is a very nice one you've got there. It runs smooth already. And it is complete with chimney. Indeed, the look is attractive. It is cute. Other brands also have these very small steam-locs (also often for starter-sets), but the Fleischmann version has the right proportions, with its tall chimney and boxy cab. Thanks for showing. I just bought two, from separate sellers, at about 20 euro's each, but they don't run properly yet. And one misses the chimney and a buffer. One seller gave me an extra body with all buffers on it. So, this the (Black) Anna, but there is also a "Betty". That is the same as Anna, but with an open cab from the back, and with a tender. Plus it is painted in black and green, and looks beautiful. I am awaiting the delivery of one, after my offer of 55 euro's was accepted. That one is in good condition. I live in the Netherlands, and I buy all my trains through the website "Marktplaats . nl" - It is thé best Dutch buy-and-sell marketplace. Like eBay (which I have never used) but way better. It has a pleasant layout, and the trading is safe and simple. Modeltrains that are being sold are mostly form the West-European brands, like Märklin, Fleischmann, Lima, Trix, Roco, etc. Hardly any UK brands, like Hornby, or USA ones like Lionel. But if Western-Europe models are what you are looking for, then Marktplaats is a great place to visit. I see also sellers from Belgium and Germany active, and I presume buyers from other countries use it as well. It is all in Dutch, and I could not find an English version, so it may require some translating. Enjoy.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 29 дней назад
Excellent, thanks for the info. Sadly, since we left the EU, importing stuff from Europe has become prohibitively expensive. I will have a look though.
@RailRide
@RailRide Месяц назад
19:53 The mystery box is a component of the braking equipment.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Nice, thank you
@andrewdonaldson6225
@andrewdonaldson6225 Месяц назад
As a model they are fine but livery is completely inaccurate. These wagons never ran in the UK. They are built to a continental load gauge and have been given a UK livery in they hope that British modellers will be happy to run them with OO. They look pretty dreadful next to the Class 20. Shame these were not proper Chunnel wagons, British HO is sadly neglected. Thanks for the video. 👍
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
There's a clue in the fact that they came with tension locks fitted and the euro hook and loop as an option rather than the other way round as you'd expect if made for the euro market. You're right about the Class 20 but I wanted an excuse to use it as it's such a beautiful mover and I hadn't used it for a while! Thanks for watching
@stormbowman7148
@stormbowman7148 Месяц назад
They do look like the ferry wagons. The H0 continental coil carriers are much larger than this one, so I think it is british loading gauge, but in H0
@ivovanzon164
@ivovanzon164 Месяц назад
The true test would be to put these in a consist with some full size continental coil carriers. These should be lower and narrower
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
I would but I don't have any!! Thanks for watching
@HamStrains
@HamStrains Месяц назад
You say insanely expensive on the RRP but... was ever thus. Some numbers to show it, 2002 minimum wage is a meme worthy £4.20 an hour(over 21) a then fairly new tooled bachmann A1 is £89. This about 20 hours of your work at a minimum wage job. Come to today, £11.44 an hour, this is about 20 hours of work in a minimum wage job. We are not in an expensive and dying hobby we are in a relatively inexpensive(compared to inflation in other areas of the economy) golden age of never before seen choice of prototypes and manufacturers. The numbers don't align well with the narrative we are sold of price gouging. Anyway, lovely model. Southen black livery is so nice
@stevenpeaketrainsandstuff3682
@stevenpeaketrainsandstuff3682 Месяц назад
The only thing wrong with the early Flieschmann models is they were not strictly to scale. But that didn't matter to me, the build quality was terrific. Paul on Tommy's Station has a great collection of European locomotives as well for those who have an interest. The European manufacturers were ahead of the game for detail and quality in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Really good vid mate. Steven.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Thanks for that and I'm gonna check that channel. I love my Fleischmann stuff & old Rivarossi too.
@LyntreeTown20132
@LyntreeTown20132 Месяц назад
Nice looking loco and runs well and even better a good price. I remember the Fragonset Livery on a few different Class locos. just came across your Channel subscribed and liked
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Thanks very much. And I do recommend this class 33.
@andrewthacker114
@andrewthacker114 Месяц назад
A beauty
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
sure is
@theSignallingGuy
@theSignallingGuy Месяц назад
£213? Yikes, not bought anything for a long time, had no idea!
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Crazy RRP but it is a good loco, just not £200 good. Thanks for watching
@theSignallingGuy
@theSignallingGuy Месяц назад
Cracking layout by the looks....away to look thru all the videos now😁
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
The layout, such that it is, is in a constant state of fluidity and has been for nearly 3 years!! Thanks for watching
@StMaryChurchModelRailway
@StMaryChurchModelRailway Месяц назад
Lovely loco, I have a couple myself. ATB Stuart
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
I'm certainly happy with mine. Thanks for watching
@MarkJohnson-lp2qr
@MarkJohnson-lp2qr Месяц назад
I've got one of the first batch of class 17s. replace motor and pcb board.. Truth be told, I never buy another one. think there very poor.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
So far, this has been fine. Heljan man did say this was "updated" in some way from the original release. Hopefully, that'll help it last!
@paulc9588
@paulc9588 Месяц назад
Like a lot of these 'bargains', the RRP is verging on the absurd which means retailers struggle to shift them. The heavily discounted price is more representative of what they should have been to start with. A very good buy for ~£100 but £200+ RRP is having a laugh.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Yup, agree with you completely.
@user-wo6qn3vf9n
@user-wo6qn3vf9n Месяц назад
The next time you make a video don't have anything running couldn't hear what you were saying.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Either that or I'll shout - thanks
@ukoutdoors3022
@ukoutdoors3022 Месяц назад
I picked up 33202 21 pin BR blue pristine for well under a hundred quid. The drive train was extremely tight at first - I dont know if there was some foreign object stuck in it somewhere but it freed off suddenly by pushing the flywheel round by hand. Seems fine now it's had a bit of running. I am a bit of a sucker for these Heljan 33s and the 26s as well, but the detail interfering with the couplings is extremely annoying - I have no idea why they do that.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Glad it worked out OK. These do run lovely. It feels "wrong & bad" to break off applied detailing, but perfectly OK to never fit separately supplied detailing. I'd rather it came in a bag!
@timharrison2894
@timharrison2894 Месяц назад
Same for me. had to cut off the buffer detail at one end to facilitate train haulage. At the other end, had to take out the NEM pocket to keep the buffer detail in place.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Yeah, that's not ideal really is it
@ciaranburke3243
@ciaranburke3243 Месяц назад
Definitely a bargain lovely little loco not sure what 200 plus quid was about 😮👍
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
£200 for just about any loco is a piss-take, unless it's Broadway or a quality Big Boy or something. Hopefully the price cutting will have to carry on when locos don't sell at silly RRPs. Thanks for watching
@barryturner2916
@barryturner2916 Месяц назад
I also brought one at the 42% discount at Rails (33203) and as you said I also would not have paid over £200 for one. This will be my 12th Heljan class 33 over the years and I can recall paying a little over £60 new for them, inflation !!!!?
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Rampant capitalism! Definitely not a £200 loco but very nice just the same. Thanks for watching
@paredding
@paredding Месяц назад
Similar here - bought 4x them from Hattons back in 2008-11 ranging between £47 and £60 each. Dont know if they have upgraded them in any way but as comments say - current RRPs are in lala land so even with price reductions, it's all still very expensive now.
@barryturner2916
@barryturner2916 Месяц назад
@@paredding Hi, that's where I brought mine (back in the day lol).
@petercole2092
@petercole2092 Месяц назад
I have the green Heljan Class 33 got it for £99 early this year from Rails of Sheffield the loco runs fine . I don't think it's a bad price to be fair for what you are getting. TMC have extended their sale Rails are doing the same good for the customer but prices should not have gone so high in the first place that requires constant sales to move stock. I know price debate can go on and on but people can only spend so much £200+ loco take some justification to buy.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
I agree & these "bargains" are really only a return to the full price they used to be, or thereabouts. I am happy with this one, & as you say, a good runner.
@pbsteamatspeed7683
@pbsteamatspeed7683 Месяц назад
Nice video!
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@NewModelRailway1
@NewModelRailway1 Месяц назад
And now we see a Class 52 Western. It's like you've got a giant train set down there. 😀
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
It is absolutely brilliant! I am so very thankful to be able to see all of these wonderful sights!
@teamtrains
@teamtrains Месяц назад
Nice
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Very!
@teamtrains
@teamtrains Месяц назад
@@fairweathertrains3029 The best ever LSL B1 Mayflower
@NewModelRailway1
@NewModelRailway1 Месяц назад
That loco and that livery are a marriage made in heaven.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
absolutely
@mytinplaterailway
@mytinplaterailway Месяц назад
It is a nice looking thing. Surprised that they didn't make the interior black so as to hide the lack of legroom ...
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
that could have worked I reckon.
@petercole2092
@petercole2092 Месяц назад
I do own two Heljan diesel locomotives both run fine one is Class 33 the other is Class 14 ' Teddy Bear' the more up to date stuff is fine the early ones are a mixed bag . The Class 14 in real life was a bit of a disaster with motor issues and drivers struggling with driving them due to the long noses.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
The models I've got have impressed me with their running qualities & overall detail. I just don't like breaking off detailing to get it to work properly! I won't be avoiding Heljan so much any more though. Thanks for watching
@breintonjunction791
@breintonjunction791 Месяц назад
I’ve got this same model it is very reliable like it a lot along with 16 other Heljan models cheers Al
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
Excellent - nice to know. I expect there'll be more!
@NewModelRailway1
@NewModelRailway1 Месяц назад
Very nice looking loco; I've always admired this class. Shame it isn't a weighty fella. I would've sworn those springs in the sprung buffers would add plenty of weight.
@fairweathertrains3029
@fairweathertrains3029 Месяц назад
It is a bit lighter than I was expecting but is a good puller. I really like it too!