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I still think it is very interesting that in the Circe saga Eurylochus is pleading with Odysseus to abandon the men turned by Circe and to run, but Odysseus goes, "I wouldn't leave you behind and I hope you would do the same for me." Then here in the Lair of Scylla, after singing Monster and everyone deciding to be more Ruthless, Euryolchus is horrified that Odysseus would sacrifice his own men. I am curious as to the flip, or is it because the men were sacrificed instead of turned without control. Also worth noting that when they Mutiny, Stab Odysseus in the back, Knock him out, and Ignore him when he tells them not to kill the cows of Helios, they immediately listen to his every order when he tells them to flee and even call him Captain. So he was so bad at decision making they ignored killing the personal animals of yet another mythical being going so well last time, but then immediately turn around and follow him again, and even blame him when he chooses to go home?
In hindsight, Eurylochus causes a lot of problems throughout their journey, he questions Odysseus's leadership, opens the windbag, attempts to abandon the crew on Circe's island, kills the golden cow, it is really interesting to look back on with the new context
my personal head canon is that the guy who didnt like musicals ended with the musical zombies taking over the world. and the other two in the trilogy are stories made by the hive mind.
Don't really understand the argument about starting with Honey Queen so you'll get all the Lords in Black introduced before going into the Witchwood lore in nt2ep2. Because if you start in the release order, you'll still get all the LiB, it's just that Nibbly will be the last instead of first? I still agree it's a good episode to start with because it makes a better impression with the production quality and all (plus it's probably my favorite episode)
The scene from the Witch in the Web where all the LiB and their plushies are presented is what I'm referring to, having been introduced to all LiB first hand before seeing them all in a lineup is what worked best for my viewing experience anyways
As a guy that doesn't like musicals (no pun intended) I find Starkid charming as it is incredibly clear that everyone involved is having a blast, and their enjoyment is infectious as all hell.
we do! we have a whole playlist for all of our Epic videos. ru-vid.com/group/PLF6_rfET86ZZHzAQo7hugbv3dTdV3XlRG we just release one on the wisdom saga last week
Just found you guys because of Epic, but holy shit finding a video about PAFL feels so wild!! Thank you for talking about this series, it's been a favorite!!
I have to say I really appreciate your take on Calypso. I was so excited to hear she's your second favorite character because she's mine too! I feel like her character has been misinterpreted a lot recently, so it was nice to see you point out how genuine her feelings are because I do think her earnestness is her most character defining trait. I think she's super sweet and precious but goes about her feelings in all the wrong ways. She doesn't really know how to go about developing a bond with Ody since he's the first person she's ever met, there's a certain naivete about her. It's unfortunate that it leads to her ignoring his boundaries and trapping him, I guess that's what a life of isolation and no socialization does to you. Her actions don't strike me as malicious though, but rather a desperation for human connection. She's just such a tragic character and one of the most interesting ones in the musical imo, so it was nice to see her be appreciated in this video!
@@Undeniably_Idiotic Great point. Now that you mention it, I don't think it was a coincidence that God Games (a song that heavily showcases exactly how the gods treat each other) is featured in the same saga. It definitely adds some context to the Calypso scenes.
*The Telemachus Vs Antinous fight animatic is also a reference to the animatic for Ful speed ahead, when the Eurylochus, Ody and Polites were also talking like a visual noval. Thought i throw that out there 👍🏿*
Yes, but being adorable doesn’t excuse sexual harassment/assault, trapping someone be on your island, or really anything. We must not protect her happiness because her happiness is keeping Odyssey on an island forever away from his wife and child.
@Undeniably_Idiotic No not at all!?! Her happiness involves her imprisoning Odysseus on her island and doing vile things to him, I don’t know if I’m the insane one but I would much prefer her depressed.
@@tinysandwitch343 You do realize the "vile things" you're talking about happen in the original myth and not in Epic right? This is equivalent to saying people can't like Disney's Hercules because of the atrocities that Heracles from the myths committed. It's very clearly a different take on the character. The idea that her happiness involves doing "vile things" to Ody is pure headcanon tbh. What her happiness actually involves is being loved and not alone anymore. The idea that she's this mustache twirling sadist, rubbing her hands together maniacally as she plans to enact her evil plan is insane to me because that's just not her character. The lyric is "I won't be drawn to love in paradise" not "forced" as in she is trying to draw him in. "I'm what you want here, I'm what you need here" she is very obviously trying to convince him that she's worth loving, not trying to physically force herself onto him in that way. She is longing for a genuine connection but she's doing it wrong. Anything beyond that is just an assumption, and one with very little basis in the canon of the musical tbh. There's more evidence she didn't do that than vice versa. From cut songs specifying they spent their time having "walks and late night talks" to the contrast in how Calypso and Antinous are portrayed. Unlike Calypso, Antinous has lyrics explicitly stating his intentions of SA and it's clear this was done to make the audience despise him so his demise will be all the more satisfying. He does not get a tragic backstory and the musical does not at any point ask the audience to sympathize with him, like this character trait of his was emphasized specifically to make him as unsympathetic as possible. However, Calypso is portrayed in a sympathetic light, with a tragic backstory and everything. It would be inconsistent storytelling to treat one perpetrator of this specific crime as irredeemable while the other as sympathetic, and I seriously doubt that's what's going on here especially considering Calypso doing that would have very little to do with the themes of the musical. Storytelling-wise I just don't see how that would be relevant. I see Calypso as a morally gray character in the vein of Circe. Turning innocent men to pigs is clearly wrong but she has backstory reasons for it that make her empathetic. Similarly, imprisoning a man on an island against his will is wrong but her backstory explains those actions. She isn't trapping him with the intent of making him miserable, she is trapping him because she's been sentenced to a lifetime of isolation and she doesn't want to be alone. It's still wrong of course, but Epic's characters are nuanced, it's not as simple as black and white, this character is evil and this character is good. That's the beauty of Epic. I mean our main protagonist killed a baby for crying out loud. As well as mercilessly sacrificed his own subordinates. If people are allowed to empathize with him then people are definitely allowed to empathize with Calypso.
Something I think is undervalued with Hera is that, while the "never cheated on his wife" is iconic; have you thought about why Hera brings up heroes? Hera's challenge to Athena is the question of "What makes your hero different from the rest?" But how and why would Hera know so much about greek heroes? Well... Most heroes are Demigods, born of mortal and divine interloping. And no one does it more then Zeus. And Hera, since she can't take her anger out on her husband without being hit back harder, has a habit of making the lives any demigod born from Zeus absolute misery. And that is why Hera knows so much about Heroes. And why she can challenge Athena over rhem.
No wonder she was the final challenge before the big boss man himself, she was probably going to refuse all the way for Zeus until she was reminded why she doesn't like him
@@Undeniably_Idiotic that's my guess too. Dude made his wife the final boss for a reason. Ody is just lucky he's not a son of Zeus. The only way Zeus could've made this totally unfair is if he called up Poseidon instead. He and Athena have beef all the way from Athens to the Styx, and even more so if we're talking about Ody.
For me, he is the second most hated character. Antinous is the first one. There is no need to explanation why he is the most hated character we already know and plus if you have seen the snippets of the future songs, you will understand even better, but when it comes to Zeus, I have to remind you that he put Odysseus into the impossible decision to make when it came to the infant and then he played around in the thunder bringer with giving him “a choice”. And of course, here you never intended to release Odysseus and we know how everything turned out and I am mad at him for what he did to Athena. No surprises given how his personality is from the Greek mythology and here
There’s truly nothing trippier than remembering that there’s only two sagas left to be released. Like ??. You mean we won’t have anything left to wait for? We’ll know EVERYTHING!?!? Terrifying 😂
Yeah, but I can’t really blame him if all he knows of Calypso is from Love In Paradise. The vibe of her there is a lot more positive when that’s all you know about her
@elliee884 And we still don't know how she'll be characterized in totality in Jorge's version. She was only in half of one song so far. I think it's unwise to immediately assume, like some have, that she's been SA'ing Ody for 7 years. I have a feeling that she's going to come off as a more desperate/naiive character than a malicious rapist. Still in the wrong, probably, but not a villain.
As there is way too much baggage when it comes to characters in Greek mythology, we are referring strictly to the characters in the show and how Jorge has chosen to portray them
@@Undeniably_Idiotic I know that and I agree with you, it's just that I already have seen a lot of people who unfortunately can't make the distinction and are hating epic Calypso because of what the original does to him and they actually think that she still does what she did to odysseus in the odyssey in epic, the fan animatics are certainly not helping it, have you seen any of them yet? Yikes
I mean…even without referring to the Odyssey, Calypso’s lines in Love In Paradise don’t do much help in gaining sympathy either. The way she talked about keeping Odysseus as her own…thing, and even when Odysseus was standing on the ledge facing his desperation she was still telling him to go back to her and using three of the most triggering things for Odysseus (“Ody” from Eurylochus, “stay inside your heart” from Anticleia, “open arms” from Polites) which just triggered his mental breakdown. You call someone like this a good person (goddess)? Not to mention that you can even tell what happened to Odysseus in the past seven years that had caused Odysseus to change from the man who was still declaring “not till the end of time, there is no way” to this desperate man on the ledge having a mental breakdown. Whatever happened on this island had only done worse to Odysseus’s mental health continuously which just led him to this moment. And this is what Epic!Calypso did to him. Is she sympathetic for breaking a man or constantly referring to him as one of her own belongings? I don’t find it true in any way
this saga tricked us into thinking it was gonna be a "meanwhile back on Ithaca" saga but then we get so much character development for Athena that just breaks our hearts
I always found it curious how the character of susan was treated, with zero effort of having her pass, no one commenting on it, was always curious what that said about the actor
My favorite part of the trilogy will *always* be ‘Nerdy Prunes must Die’. Where Richie is singing with Max before Max kills him. That part will always be my favorite.
Its so good to see something like this, extremely wholesome. Very reminiscent of that Tom Scott road trip with his friend. Hoping for another video in 2025!
That is very impressive! It is short enough to get through in a shorter time frame and their are some moments that do really give me a lil brain itch that I am in love with, especially when the music kicks in as Ted gets shot!
