Burn vs explode...?? Huh? Black powder burns very fast out in the open air but smokeless powder such as cfe burns much slower. However, if either types are contained in a casing, they both cause an explosion to propel a bullet. Neither powders detonate such as plastic explosives. They just burn. What is interesting about modern powders is that they are classified as flammable substances vs black powder is classified as an explosive. Only until you trap them in an enclosed container do they both behave the same. Modern powders are therefore progressive when ignited confined. Pressure makes them burn faster. This all makes smokeless gunpowder such as cfe much safer to transport and store. Paraphrasing the science here best I can, and of course, research yourself if you want to. Be safe 🙂
If you know more about reloading than Gary, who has worked at Dillon for almost 35 years, you might want to call Dillon, get Gary Fired and take his job!!
@@yrsued Indeed. No contest here 😂 my apologies if i sounded arrogant. I just find the science side of firearms hows an whys fascinating. Gunpowders being one of them. So many different formulas and manufacturing techniques. All powders only burn and do so at different rates but if contained in a cartridge and ignited it causes an explosion (very fast burn). This obviously we all know. Different powders burn at different rates too when put under pressure.... a very interesting deep dive on how they progress differently. With all these variations in powder and firearms designs is why us folks need to rely on the experts like you and the folks who publish reloading manuals to stay safe. Thanks Ps: see hickok's vid here at 11:00 in. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yceuluh_pJE.htmlsi=GIiC2_RbG7gb6e9u
@@jtonyf4978 No worries, I take Gary's info very seriously. I guess you have never seen a round actually explode, I have never seen it, but heard and seen photos of revolvers blown up, not too much powder, but too little powder.... Science is good, before I became a Photographer, I did 2-1/2 years of a Biology degree, wasn't into it, but I do love science, I like the experimentation, not the memorizing boring stuff.
Oh wow I just realized that you are Yamil in the video! Cool! A pleasure 'hashing' this out w you! 😅🙂👍 Thanks for the great content and I totally understand and applaud you for sticking up for your collegues. RU-vid can be a rough crowd esp these days. No I have never seen a gun expode but have heard of stories and seen the aftermath and injuries/scars from folks i know. Blew up w less powder...? Hmm. Interesting. I'd be interested in hearing more about that. How strange. So many variables involved and if the wrong ones go out of wack then folks get hurt. Maybe a squib load you mean then the next round slams into a stuck bullet..? I had a sqib once and the RO stopped me before i let loose another one. Had to rod and hammer out the bullet. Yikes Being safe is my #1 rule for my wife and I when were out in competition (steel challenge and uspsa 'run-n-gun') and practice as well as with reloading. For ex our used range brass inspection is a 4 stage process that eliminates even remotely questionable brass. So currently we make looooots of 9mm 147gr w 4.8gr of CFE. Have a mark 7 apex 10 with sensors on all stations but the bullet after drop. I need to do more research but i feel like compared to factory ammo cci blazer 124s fmj, my reloads w cfe make my gun more dirty. Like, alot more dirty. A friend uses titegroup and claims its cleaner. I might try it soon. Btw i am eying a sig p220 which is why i stumbled on your vid as its a 45 acp gun as im sure you are already aware. Been saving 45 acp brass too just in case. I just need dies and swap the press to large primers. Cheers 🙂
The Reloading Channel, Hodgdon/IMR says that one can fill the usable volume of a case with Trail Boss, no matter the caliber, and it is perfectly safe to do so, whether using a pistol or rifle round. And lay claim that it is perfectly safe to do so! Yet they do not make mention of bullet weights vs seating depth. To me it seems a bit sketchy. What is your opinion as to the instructions on IMR load data sheet for trail Boss? hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/trail-boss-reduced-loads-2018.pdf
I guess you didn't notice that this video is dated May 17th 2019!! Back then, it was useful. So before you make any comments, look at the date the video was created, that has relevance in the conversation!!
@@yrsued My comment concerned the current ridiculous lack of primers for the reloading community. It was not a critique of the quality or relevance of the post. So before you rip off a criticism of a reply to a post make sure that you clearly understand it’s focus.
@@denniscooke6849 You know what the root cause of of the primer shortage?? HOARDING!! I know folks that buy 100K Primers at a time and they pay ridiculous prices. I think there are only TWO primer Manufacturers in the US, Vista Outdoors (CCI/Federal) and Olin (Winchester). I don't know about Fiocchi, so, it might be three. Primer Manufacturers are using most primers they make for ammo manufacturing, they make better profit with ammo. For me at this time, it's cheaper to buy factory ammo than to reload.
Titegroup is a good powder but my favorite is CFE Pistol. Back in my IPSC and PPC days Unique and WST powered my loads but after finding CFE Pistol I have found it works in everything from 25 acp to 45 Colt with top velocity's and is very clean burning. Accurate and economical most loads hover around 6 gr. of powder, give or take, allowing over 1,000 rounds / pound in everything from 327 Federal Magnum to 45 Colt.
I’m lost: I get two squib shots out of six .45 acp in my governor with moonclips. I tried Win. primers and CCI, same result. The shots barely get the .452 dia. 200gn projectile past the forcing cone, and the un-burnt 7.8 gns of SFE falls out of the cylinder behind them. Why isn’t the “propellant” igniting? Is the firing pin not hitting the primer hard enough? Factory loads work fine. Any wisdom to share?
@@yrsued Just the Governor, so far. I’m going to test a Judge…I think the Governor might be too delicate. if i try my .410 loads, it barely dimples the primer, no ignition. My Raging judge fires them just fine. Thanks!
@@johnstewart8849 That makes sense that you might have a light strike, but not why the propellant is NOT igniting!! Check your primers too!! Have you tried factory loads in it too??
@@johnstewart8849 OK, that gives you your first answer!! It's something with your reloads, we have a good starting point. It's NOT the gun, lets go from there!!
I you look at the date of the Video, you will notice that the 750 wasn't even announced yet when we shot and released this Video. I run two 750's now. Almost three years have passed since we did this.
Cool, we will be continuing this series soon, between the issues we had last year and the fact that our main sponsor Rainer Ballistics went out of business, we got delayed, now we will be working on more content very soon!!
@@yrsued dirty yea the powder I’m using is from the 70s when it was still Hercules before it changed to Alliant And it seems to be less clean then new versions But it shoots great and honesty 6 gr and over it seems to burn cleaner maybe it’s just me.
@@Dr.Ballsonya Now, that is old powder, if it still works, that is perfect!! And now, when you can't find powder, having powder you like and you can use, you are golden!!
@@yrsued I just purchased a 4 pound keg from the eighties of red dot for fifty bucks. As long as it smells right and looks right my experience is that it will work just fine
If you're going to be picky, and you can find the propellant you like, great!! I like this one, but if you want your case to be filled more, this is NOT the propellant for you, you need extruded propellant.
@@roul3688 And that is your choice of course!! I started with Winchester 231, in 1989, then went to Vhit N320 in the mid 90's. Most USPSA shooters recommended TiteGroup, they might have a reason.
@@yrsued In my experience Titegroup has a softer recoil impulse, WST is the same way. When I was shooting 45acp in competition 5gr. of WST and a 200 gr. cast wadcutter would give me over 850 fps but feel like a .22, Titegroup is similar.
I always go mid range and I use 4.6 grains of Titegroup with a 230 grain bullet for 45 ACP. When loading Titegroup make sure to verify your powder measure often by weighing a charge to make sure all is still good. Look into each case after throwing a charge and before seating a bullet. Titegroup can easily be double charged.
For bolt action rifles, brass, Lapua or Peterson is best. Lake City and Norma is also high quality. Once fired is fire-formed to your rifle improves accuracy because it fits your chamber better than virgin brass. Annealing the brass neck/shoulder reduces the work-hardening and extends the life of the brass. Annealing and neck-turning for more consistent neck tension and improved groups.
Most of the small primered 45 I see are from Federal.I noticed that the large primers are much louder than the small ones,when they go off! I melt small primer 45 down.
Titegroup clean??? LOL, Check the forums, my experience and most others is contrary. The only semi-clean loads are to load high pressure. Any low-med load and the whole front third of your gun will be covered in soot.
I avoid forums at all costs. I make up my own mind. Currently I have enough Vhit N320 to last me a couple years. When I shot USPSA, I started using Vhit 105 in Open, when I moved to Limited, I started using N320 for .40, then when I went to Production, I stayed with it. In USPSA we cleaned guns when they stopped running. I still do that, I ran the Gunsite 250 Class, more than 1K rounds loaded with Titegroup and I would just wipe the pistol down every night and keep shooting, never had an issue with TiteGroup then. Quick wipe with a Silicone cloth and be done with it.
I bought a large amount of Longshot and it dirty as hell. CFE pistol is also dirty but not as bad. Are the cases clean after using Titegroup. I also must use it in 40cal reloading also. Thank you guys.
@@riverking4u My pleasure, I've been using Vhit since the mid 90's, but it's become cost prohibitive, TiteGroup is a nice clean all around powder that would work great for 9mm, .40 and .45.
@@yrsued Titegroup works great! Cheap, available, accurate. My current favourite is Clays for 45ACP IPSC comp loads at 175 power factor with cast bullets. My other favourite is W244, very accurate and similar to TG slightly slower. Of these three Clays is the fastest burning so lowest charge weight. All three are equally accurate in my testing. The biggest drawback for Titegroup is how hot it burns... I've had my 1911 get so hot in practice I had to put it down to cool. Competition revolver guys wont use TG cause the cylinder gets so dang hot! Clays is the most temp stable of these 3. Caveat: these powders are fast and thus ideal for target and comp loads. For the maxed out ultra hot +P tacticool kids ur definitely gonna want slower burning powders... and that is definitely not my wheelhouse... cheers!
Alliant used to go 5.0 to 5.6 grains with various bullets. With most bullits I would go 5. 4 to 5.6 grains. The exception is gold dots @ 5.0 grain. For a load that makes mil/spec use 6.4 grains Unique. In all reloading manuals and my chronographing it turn in 850 fps + or - 10. Your mileage may vary (but not much if you keep your loa around 1.60 .
Reloading supplies are as personal as your favorite Ice Cream!! I only reload handgun and I'm currently using Vhit N320, when that is gone, I will move to Tite Group. I just have so much N320....
There is also a round nose 185 grain hollow base plated bullet made by BARRY'S BULLETS which can be loaded to the same specs as a F.N.J. bullet. The 185 grain can attain much higher velocity's than the 230 grain F.M.J. bullet. It can also give better accuracy at longer distances because of that.
Agreed, and since Rainier is no longer in business, Berry's is the place to buy now!! I started with the 230 to make it easier for novice shooters and reloaders to start!!
@@yrsued I reload my .22 caliber NAA cap & ball pistol with this smokeless Tite Group propellant. It fires a 30 grain lead bullet at a much higher velocity than the use of black powder. I use number 11 Winchester MAGNUM percussion caps to ignite the Tite Group propellant.
@@yrsued it works good. Make sure to load the yellow colored NAA measuring cup less than half full with the TiteGroup powder. I am going to buy an extra NAA cap & ball cylinder loaded and carried in a belt holster for a fast reload. I just ordered a pocket scale from Cabelas store to measure the exact amount of smokeless TiteGroup powder.
