Random things of interest to me. Mainly motorsports related, with a little target shooting dabbled into the mix. I also try to upload POV footage from a racing driver's perspective via a prototype visor camera I've been tinkering with.
but on an oval track, would the f1 car even last? it wouldn't blow up from being at full throttle for two hours? and is the f1 car is allowed to refuel? ha
In the top speed department, F1 cars and MotoGP speeds come close with of 360 kph and 362 kph respectively. Meanwhile, IndyCar trumps them both, with a top speed of 380 kph. Admittedly, NASCAR sort of lags behind at 321 kph as its top speed, so in a drag race, an IndyCar car would win!!
@@farel26-82 exactly. As shown in the video, the F1 leaves behind the IndyCar in the first corner. It doesn't matter if you can top 380 km/h if you can't maintain that speed or have to drastically reduce the speed in curves. The engineering of F1 cars make them the best and quicker vehicle for a circuit with lots of curves, they are incredibly smooth and agile as is evident in this video. If we are talking about top speed then top fuel dragsters are the bosses
Well I do can agree on that. Since f1 is also a manufacture war is pretty easy to scoped the winner. And also F1 is kinda a rich kid club... Let me explain. If you trow in like 29mil, and some random dude is throwing out 50mil. You will be sent into a shity team like Williams
They should not be compared on lap times? It's easy to say when you are an Indycar fan, but racing is BASED on lap times. I don't care that the indycar is more "raw", more "fun" to drive, more whatever you're gonna say... An F1 is faster and better... You can like indycar, the same way I like watching rally cars or NASCAR, but I know that in the end an F1 is simply the best car.
The video is all in good fun bud. A simple visual comparison. I'm happy you like watching rally cars and NASCAR. I'm a fan of those as well and all forms of 4 wheeled motorsports. Just leave drag racing out of the mix... ;)
Bigger Issues Who’s that directed at? Not sure who the “he” is here. Either way, not sure why people get so worked up over things posted to SM platforms. Just tells me they aren’t very happy with their own lives if they go around and post negative responses on everything they come across. And that’s not directed at you. 😊
Bigger Issues I kind of assumed that, but wasn’t totally sure. I appreciate that. As a fan of both, I thought it would be a neat comparison video, regardless of lap times, team budgets, driver skills, etc. 👍
@Bigger Issues It's not a well tought input to the video. It's a clear exemple of "fanboy" trying to defend the fact that the Indycar is slower. Like I said, I like rally and NASCAR too, but I can understand the simple fact that the F1 is faster. Trying to insult me by saying i'm a "fanboy" is not going to make your point come across...
F1 is the better hot lap car, IndyCar is the better racing car. if someone wants to watch a series that is won by engineers in the shop before the race even happens, they can watch F1; if someone wants to see the race won at the track, they can watch IndyCar.
Really? Do you take everything literal? Of course the lap times are shown. They help to support this great visual comparison and to help demonstrate just how different the two are from one another. Any open wheel racing fan knows an F1 car is MUCH quicker than an IndyCar around a road course. So again, this was not a comparison of lap times. That would just be silly. And had I not shown the lap times, the only comments on here would be, "What are the lap times?"...Can't please everyone.
Esta es la razón por la cual f1 es lo mejor de lo mejor (this is why F1 is the best of the best) F1 usa la tecnología al límite! (F1 uses technology at top!) Como bien dices, definitivamente no hay comparación entre F1 e Indy (As you said, definetily there is no comparition between both series)
Well not really. Do you know why people like NASCAR so much? It's because it's not a manufacturer battle the racing will always be close the same goes with IndyCar. While f1 it's not really close racing where you probably already know the leader
You can tell how much the Indycar driver has to wrestle the car to keep in line, just like the 80s F1 drivers did with those monstrous turbo cars. Driver talent has a much bigger impact in Indycar than in F1 imo.
@@ropany True to some extent, but probably the reason is due to the F1 preference for European drivers. That's pretty much were they get all their talent.
@@vegarosa69 F1 wants fast drivers, regardless of their nationality: they may be from any European country, from Japan, South Africa, Mexico, India or USA: there was a lot of hype when Michael Andretti was hired by McLaren or Montoya by Williams (then both top teams)...
Hamilton and alonso both swapped seats with nascar drivers! the faces on nascar drivers were lit up alonso says it was fun!!! F1 drivers go to Indy when there not quick enough to race f1..
JR STINGER it could be known as the greatest sport ever but still boring as fuck . Go try MotoGP or MotoAmerica or stadium super trucks or Australian v8 super cars . All way more exciting than f1 . I usually turn on f1 when I want to take a nap 😴
they should be compared on laptimes, they are both open wheelers. if you cant compare f1 to indy then you cant compare anything in the world. also the fucking tracklimits on the indy are so stupid. you can probably take another second at least off indy for that
@HashySlash That's totally irrelevant. This video isn't to highlight that or lap times. It's meant to show just how different the cars are from one another - in particular, just watch the steering. With no power steering, the IndyCars are like a giant go-kart. The IndyCars are so much more basic and raw, whereas the current F1 cars are the epitome of motorsports technology. Too many people assume that because they are both open wheel race cars, look similar and are the pinnacle of open wheel racing, it's fair to compare the two. Far from fair! That's what happens when you have a 10-30X budget to work with and you're not running a spec series like the NTT IndyCar Series.
@@nanderlizernanderlizer684 You might want to rethink that! Just because an F1 car has power steering and an IndyCar does not... well, that is just the tip of the iceberg! An F1 car is at the forefront in terms of motorsports technology. The amount of money teams drop into the technological development of the cars is staggering! I'd be willing to bet the average F1 team's aero development alone exceeds the top IndyCar teams entire season budget! You really cannot fairly compare the two. One is all about how much money they can drop into the technological development of their program and the other is a spec series, where the only real difference is the engine supplier, but in IndyCar, that really isn't much of a factor. This is why you'll sometimes see the top 10-15 cars in IndyCar within a couple tenths of a second off pole. In F1, you're lucky if the top 4 are within that. Bottom line, F1 is FAR more technologically based and that's what motorsport fans expect. It's the pinnacle or worldwide open wheel motorsports. In the U.S., IndyCars are the pinnacle. Both are amazing to watch and even though an IndyCar is well off the pace of an F1 car, I look at the racing and not the lap times. I'd much rather see half the field capable of winning on any given weekend vs perhaps 5 that currently have a shot in F1. That's just my humble opinion. As the saying goes, Opinions are like assholes! Everybody has one! ;)
DerekSiems Well this was about 6-7 years ago, but if you look long enough on CL, kart forums and/or know people in the community, they aren’t that hard to find. Especially from sellers looking to get out of the sport or businesses liquidating.
That wouldn't be much of a fair comparison! I remember Eddie Lawson and Sam Zavaglia clicking off 1:24's back in the day. I think Sam still has the 250cc record there in the 1:23's. Just to put that in perspective, that's 5-6 seconds quicker than a Porsche 918 Spyder, McLaren P1 and Viper ACR, which I believe are the 3 quickest "street cars" to lap there and are insanely quick! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O2o--m0wsu0.html
Best Grand Prix of the year. I went last year and was so so lucky to meet Lewis Hamilton. I'm going to the Grand Prix this year too can't wait. In total I have been to 3 Grand Prix's this year Monaco, Silverstone and Belguim!!
1:41.2 was that lap. Lowest I ever got my one day there was in the 1:40's. I think the top Stock Moto (CR125's) guys are a couple seconds faster now and in a pack, with the draft, I believe they are into the 1:36's even. If you compare that to the fastest street cars that have been tested at Laguna, it puts them up there with the 458 Italia, GT-R, LFA, R8 GT and even the GT3 RS. Gotta love a well set up shifter kart!
There's a lot of drafting in shifter kart road racing, so theres a bit of bumping as well. Karts are all about momentum and staying in the draft. If you lose the draft, you lose the pack and it's damn tough to get back to the tail end of the pack. So, inevitably, there is a lot of bump drafting going on. You might not expect it, but there is a fairly large "hole" created by even the small size of a kart in front of you at speeds of say 80+mph and it sucks you up to their rear bumper pretty fast. I remember the first time I experienced that and thought, wow, that wasn't expected. It was a fun feeling the first time and it really taught me the importance of drafting these fun little machines. Running solo versus running in the lead pack draft at a track like Laguna Seca is a night and day difference. With a fast group of karts in the draft, you can crack into the 1:36's, while running solo, you'd be 2-3 seconds a lap slower. That kind of got away from your question, but drafting is a key component if you want any chance at winning or staying with the lead pack.
As Bob so bluntly put it, the shifter kart would have been much quicker in the hands of a more experience/skilled driver and not a hobbyists like myself... And the kart doesn't even need more power. I have friends who race all the time in NCK (using the same engine/power - roughly 36rwhp) that are running consistent race lap times in the 1:36's now. That is flying! I think Erik Maxfield might have even dipped into the 1:35's during a test day. The same goes for some other real racers like the Hegar's, Jamie Wilson, Jimmy McNeil and my buddy Nick Galante, who races a Porsche in the IMSA Continental Tire SportsCar Challenge. That's about 5 seconds quicker than the lap turned here by Randy Pobst in the Mustang.To put the Stock Moto 125cc shifter kart lap times into perspective, Randy Pobst also ran lap times in the 1:36's in supercars like the Ferrari 458 Italia, Nissan GT-R (R35 550 PS), Porsche 911 GT3 RS and about 2-3 seconds a lap faster than Randy ran in cars like the Ferrari F12 Berlinetta, Chevrolet Corvette Stingray, Cadillac CTS-V (Mk III), Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 and the Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI Plus. I'm in no way trying to start some debate. I'm simply a huge motorsports fan and the reason I love karting so much is because for the cost, it provides you with a platform capable of running supercar lap times on large road courses like Laguna Seca, Infineon Raceway, etc. Even a "Slow", "Old" guy like myself who's a mid-packer still ran race lap times as quick or quicker than Randy was able to click off in cars like the Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG S, BMW M6 (F13), Aston Martin AM 310 Vanquish, Porsche Cayman S (981), Lotus Evora S and many other amazing cars. Bottom line... If you love motorsports and want to drive dream tracks like Laguna Seca, for a few grand, you can pick up a very capable kart, join NCK Road Racing and start working on your race craft. Young or old, it doesn't matter. I'm 36 years old and didn't get into a kart until I was about 30. I have enjoyed every second out there on track, doing my best to improve and more importantly, to simply enjoy the experience and the friendships with other karting enthusiasts.
I do not remember the top speed of the 125 at Laguna. If I recall correctly, in the draft we would maybe hit 110-115mph? These karts are all about momentum and carrying much more speed through the corners than a street or even proper race car can. Relevant top speeds reached by other cars? Ummm, I think that would solely depend on the car, right? I'm sure you can Google that and find out what the speeds at Laguna Seca are for a given car, but I unfortunately do not know that off the top of my head. I'd be blindly guessing...
About 100-102 MPH terminal before T2. I'd have to dig through the data but around 2G+ lateral at that track is about right (maybe 2.5). The track and air condition at that track (and the draft) is pretty critical. It gets sandy and the grip goes way off
@@jasonbell1950 I wouldn't say the karts are "all about momentum", they're just out of their element on full-size car tracks as their speed is based on light weight over raw power and they hit a brick wall of drag at higher speeds. On a proper kart track the acceleration is unmatched by pretty much anything.
@@nunyabusiness896 I wouldn't directly quote anything I say on here, that's for sure. A proper kart track vs a track like Laguna in a kart are two completely different animals. The brick wall is definitely true. Your body acts like a parachute on the road courses and as soon as you're past say 80mph, give or take, you really feel that drag. The momentum aspect comes into play big time if for example you're in the lead breakaway pack of say 3+ karts with lets say relatively equal drivers and karts. I know this for a fact and Erik Maxfield can certainly attest to this as he's one of the best out there. If you're in that pack, make a mistake, fall a few seconds back and don't have a dance partner to draft with and hopefully reel back in the lead pack, your race is effectively over, unless that lead pack runs into an issue of their own. So they certainly are not "all about momentum", but it's one of the more crucial elements to road racing a kart on a proper road course. Again, just my experience and opinion. Take it for what it is, It's just one of the many facets to being a top runner in a class of 125's and any other class for that matter.
It's really more deceiving then it looks though. The karts can carry so much more speed through the corners, but down the straightaway, we get owned. It's a give and take I suppose. But either way, the karts are MUCH more fun to wheel around any track. Especially one as flowing as Laguna Seca!
I've been thinking about making my own shifter kart. A friend of mine is an experienced welder and will be helping/teaching me weld a frame. He has many other tools in his shop that might come in handy as well :P Then I'm gonna buy a CR250 dirt bike and use it's engine clutch and gearbox and mount them to the kart. The brakes can probably be reused as well, but I'll need to buy brake(s) as karts have 3 and motorcycles have 2. I'll also need to buy some other bits and bobs for the steering setup I imagine. Idk what do you think?
ZPERO... The way that your post is written, one might assume that you are you intentionally baiting people to respond... Yes / No? Unless you are a seasoned 125cc shifter pilot, or perhaps have a good amount of experience racing something like Super Bikes, I'd have to say that the idea of you building your own chassis from scratch and putting a CR250 on it is a totally irrational and illogical train of thought and nothing short of having a "death" wish. Note: It's one thing if your actions get you injured or killed... Just don't do something that ends up injuring other racers that are out on the track with you. If you want a CR250 powered kart, there is a SuperKart class specifically for that type/class of engine... And, it should be pretty easy to find a professionally made chassis without breaking the bank.
+vinvotary If asking for feedback is "baiting people into replying" then yeah I guess. And lol, you don't need experience changing gears with a sequential gearbox. I may not have experience with them, but I know how they work, and I drive a manual car which is quite possibly more involved. And I don't plan on racing anyone, I would probably just go to my local go kart track whenever it's empty (which is frequently) and do testing then. There's no reason to buy a frame for thousands of dollars and get utterly ripped off when you can buy some steel, weld it at your friend's garage, and make your own superkark, and have a fantastic time doing so.
Your lack of exposure / experience in regards to race karts is showing... Which is fine. Everyone is lacking prospective and knowledge when they first get started. I would like to suggest that you catch a ride in an 80cc/85cc or 125cc shifter kart before you start your 250cc project. I absolutely guarantee that you will come back and thank me for this recommendation. I wish you nothing but the best of luck :)
+vinvotary I've ridden rented 80cc go karts a few times 100% recreationally, and I don't really enjoy going at 40 mph. 250cc should be quite a bit more fun, and you can always take it easy. I have a friend who bought a Suzuki Hayabusa as his first motorcycle and he's doing just fine, never laid the bike, never put a scratch on it.
It's good that you rented a 80cc shifter. Question: Was the layout of the track configured in such a way that you could have gone a lot faster and kept the kart under control and on the track? Or, was the slow 40mph speed largely due to the track layout? I ask this question because the 80cc shifter karts that typically race with NCK at Thunderhill Raceway, Sonoma Raceway American LeMans config. (previous name Infineon), Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, Buttonwillow and Willow Springs International Raceway have no problem attaining speeds of 95+ mph... Perhaps even faster under the right conditions.
