The CRAZY and almost sad thing is that he makes it seem SOOO natural and smooth that it's easy to miss how insane his technique, sound, feel, touch, groove and ideas are. He makes it all seem normal... and does exactly what the song is asking him to do. But I think so many people are missing the OUTRAGEOUS PHENOMENON that he and his playing are. I actually think he might be the best ever or in the top 2 or 3 drummers ever lived. He is the Ferrari or Rolls Royce of Drumming, IMO. After I listen to ENRICO PIERANUNZI - LIVE IN PARIS.. other groups like Miles with Tony, Chick Corea or Keith Jarret just seem like they are in slow motion and not really doing much of anything. Which, of course, is insane. That album just might be the single, craziest, highest level of any jazz recording ever captured. Not just one song... but the whole thing or at least, most of it. It's relentless. I think of ANDRE like POSEIDON the GOD of the SEA. He could destroy an armada of ships or he can calm the Sea to absolute stillness and innocence in an instant. He is a musical witch : )
@@tuknchuk I think the crème of the drumming community is aware of this, . As a drummer myself I've been studying Andrè since I first heard him play on a trio record of Bireli Lagrene, many many years ago. I've seen him live any time I could and talked to him. He's style is so unique that I easily put him in the Olympus of the great multi purpose drummers of his generation together with Gadd, Erskine, Weckl and Colaiuta, just to name a few. he is at that level. What I think makes him truly unique is his ability to combine power and softness in a very round and accurate tone.
@@sunflowerguy5314, wow, that’s a fascinating thought or question. I’ll try to look into this when I have time. I haven’t noticed Elvin feathering on these tracks. But I’d like to know more about Elvin’s (and some others, as well) approach to different tempos and feels. I’m really curious about feathering when it comes to playing in a 2 feel (some play/ feather beats 1&3 on the bass) and also what about playing in 3. Did/does anyone feather the kick in 3. This is almost never (if ever) talked about by the people preaching feathering. Thanks for your input. 👍🙏🤩
Hey, thanks for the message. I appreciate you taking the time to let me know. Could you please show me where this mistake is ? I made several videos with Roy, Tony and Elvin and I just copied and pasted the descriptions from one video to the other... And I definitely made several mistakes like this... and didn't correct them all right away. So, I fully expected to find the mistake that you mentioned... but strangely, I don't see it. I even did the "Find in Page..." (Command + F) for the computer to show me where "tony" or even "ton" was on the page. But the computer doesn't see it. I sincerely didn't fix my error first and now I'm playing dumb and claiming that I didn't make any mistakes. No need for that, I'm a drummer... which are rumored to not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. And, like I said, I myself have found where I made the exact mistake, you described, many times. Not sure what's going on. Maybe it's a RU-vid thing. Like I originally uploaded it wrong, later corrected it and Y.T. shows it to be corrected on My End... but somehow didn't correct it for others. I have no idea. If you have time and you can find it, please let me know where it is exactly... or take a screenshot, etc. You can email a screenshot to me at tuknchuk@gmail.com, if you'd like to. Thanks again for taking the time... I appreciate it. All the Best, ~Chuck
@@BrassAttack1 Sorry to take so long to get back to you. I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to let me know. This is much worse than I thought... : o I was thinking my error was in the description of the video. Now I got it... and SADLY, I made the same mistake for all of my Roy Haynes videos. So, Now the question is... redo them all just for that or just leave the error in there. WAH !!!! Thanks and all the best to you... 👍
I love George Coleman's sound. He is from Memphis Tennessee as is Frank Strozier, Charles Lloyd and Booker Little. In his Early years Lloyd was mentored by Coleman.
That’s a good question. As far as I know, Tony always used wood tipped sticks. I never heard anything differently. But the truth is, that I really have no idea. I just always assumed that he did. I would guess that someone would have talked about it, & it would be known, if he did. Orn the drum history podcast I think there are some episodes that are dedicated to Tony… and I think one of them goes through his equipment throughout the years. But I don’t remember if they talked about his sticks. His signature sticks in the later years were pretty beefy and wood tipped. But I have no idea what he played when he was young. I wish that I knew, as well.
Someone could easily do their whole doctoral thesis on any one song played by Elvin. Truly inspirational. Oh how I wish I could ask him some questions… I could bother him for weeks…🤪🔨🕺🏽
Wow. Un discazo!!! Wayne shorter con dos miembros de la sección rítmica de coltrane. Mcoy tener piano, el vino Jones drums. Y el maestrazo de riggie workman al bass!
No, it’s not just you. You can hear it louder at 1:51 for a few bars and then again back in strong at 4:10. Before that there are a few individual “chik’s” that’s are pretty clear. I think it must have been that his HH stand wasn’t set at a good angle or his cymbals were getting a bit of suction… or perhaps he really just played it that randomly. That’s a bit harder to imagine. I’m sure he was in full control, and could play it or not at anytime, but the fact that it randomly cuts back out makes me think it was a cymbal or hardware issues… & not Elvin or the mics, etc. I wish we had video of any of these sessions. So great !!!
Yeah, this groove is a doozie, for sure. Just out of curiosity… (& I ask this with all due respect… but of course I don’t know you or your playing, etc.) have you checked out and learned to play the Mozambique groove on the drumset ?? Elvin has MANY variations on his way to play his Jazz-Latin groove… and I certainly don’t claim to have Elvin’s grooves down, but I think Elvin’s Jazz-Latin Groove (which he plays one version of it here) is, in its simplest form, a SWUNG Eighth note version of the Mozambique. It was hard for me to wrap my head around, at 1st, I didn’t recognize it as being the same thing… but I learned it (the normal way) as straight 8th notes first… & then took it bit by bit slowly and figured out what it would sound like as swung 8ths. With swung 8th notes as the basis (built on 8th note triplets) I was then able to hear that he was inserting his standard jazz triplet snare & bass drum comping into this Latin groove. The basic groove (now swung) already gives you his basic starting ride bell pattern & the cross-stick and tom rhythms. What’s left is to learn his variations… of which there are a lot. He plays variations of this groove on so many records. Sometimes it’s more basic… this one is more varied & hard to hear & figure out. But, that’s exactly why I made this video trying to isolate him more. It’s some of the greatest shit ever, IMO.🤩 I apologize if you already knew all that or think I’m mistaken. I’m just trying to be helpful… not insulting. Feel free to msg me more about it, anytime. I love to talk with others that share the same passion as I do. All the best to you.
@@tuknchuk I can for sure play the normal Mozambique, I’ve learned Elvin’s patterns on stuff like Acknowledgement, but I think there’s something about this one being in 3/4 that’s throwing me off. And it’s definitely not an easy groove to practice slowly unlike, again, what he plays on Acknowledgement.
If I can help, here's a different mix. The drums were brought to the front, with the stereo image enlarged and with a gain of 1 decibel. The sax was taken to the back (center) with a loss of 5 decibels, to compensate for the loss of the other instruments. The piano was moved slightly to the left with a gain of 1 decibel. The bass was brought slightly to the right with a gain of 2 decibels. Afterwards, a new equalization was carried out. Available here: drive.google.com/file/d/1S-YD3BEF4oDAJ41i6ALIaz5XPW0WRBwI/view?usp=drive_link
I like the idea, but there seems to be a grating high/mid eq on this that makes it less pleasant to listen to than just the one channel on a CD. Mine at least doesn't sound as bright.
Thanks for the comment & feedback. I sincerely appreciate it. You’re correct, I did boost different frequencies to bring out the snare and the ride cymbal. I know that I have hearing damage in these areas from playing the ride cymbal so much without any ear protection… I’m just not sure how much damage. When I was boosting these freq’s I actually had the thought that I wish there was some way to get others to tell me how much, if any, is helpful and how much is too much. I’m quite sure that I’m NOT the best judge of this. My thinking was to bring out the freq’s enough where others could transcribe his playing pretty easily… as opposed to trying to make it sound good, but maybe I took it too far. I guess the question now is… do I delete these and re-upload them again after adjusting the audio ?? …or just let these go, as is and just make adjustments on future videos ??? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, as well as anybody else’s. Thanks again 🙏👍🕺🏽🌮
@@tuknchuk You could maybe come up with a more edited video? Just a part of a recording that seems special to you, that way you add something your own. Maybe a transcription? I enjoy watching these while listening (I know it's a lot of work).
@@SebCo77 Thanks again... I appreciate your input. I'm not sure IF or WHEN that will happen. I have a huge list of IF I have time I'll... but, who knows, maybe so. Thanks !!!
This is so great. If Tony Williams was 18 when the recording was made (as someone commented), it would be 1969. right before Miles went full Bitches Brew. There are stretches of this performance that DO have the flavor of west Africa. I love this! Thank you for posting.
This is from a concert in December of 1963 at Lincoln Center. It was a benefit for the NAACP in Alabama after the church bombing that killed four little girls. I believe Tony was 17. No question about it, Tony Williams was a prodigy, not just of the drums but of music in general.
Just imagine how Wayne shorter must have felt playing on top of this rythm section!!! Just floating along but simultaneously hard driving and swinging. Simple and intricate. Otherworldly. So much to listen to. I wish I could hear the bass drum better. I’m sure it’s these headphones. His foot is just driving so much. Then listening to the hi hat, cymbals and what his left hand is doing to decorate. It’s four degrees of freedom. You could listen to this every day and still hear new things.
Agreed !!! So amazing… It’s easy for us to take for granted. Like a diamond or something amazing in nature… we marvel at it in almost disbelief for a while… then it’s back to our daily life. Seemingly, like no one cares anymore… but when you come back to it, it’s just as miraculous as it always was from the beginning. Some make their careers out of studying these things. Elvin was on this level, for sure. I wish so much I could spend some time with him and ask questions. I’d love to know more about his influences and his process. Elvin said in an interview that they had a regular Sunday Matinee gig that lasted 3 hrs. Ever week they’d okay only one song for 3 hours… basically a 3 hr Coltrane Sax solo… or everyone soloing whenever you wanted. Can you imagine playing the same groove for even 1 hour, even 30 min. ?? It’s quite obvious in his playing that Elvin went through this process a lot. As so as they count it off, it’s on and they get deep in it. The 1st minute is the same as minute 150, etc. Never showing off… the ego and the old bag of tricks have no place there… they would just lose their eyes, put down their heads and go. We very blessed to have these recordings. BTW, I might be able to bring out the bass drum more. The only issue is, if do not done right, this also turns up the bass player. It’s a trade off. I do boost the kick drum fundamental frequencies some, though. All the best… Keep Rocking !!!
