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I have been skiing for a long time and I also came to the conclusion that to improve technique you need to periodically train at a slow pace for several hours a week. It is important that the slope is not steep.
yeah ..when I don't ski in the gate. I don't know what to aim for. I feel wrong just waiting the ski to make a long turn. I always want to initia the turn whenever I finish the turn, waiting seems to be wrong.
You sincerely believe he is 90% on the new outside ski before he starts the turn? Uh....no. Note even close. This is a 50/50 turn initiation drill. You can clearly see this from his tracks. Heck, if anything, he has MORE weight on his inside ski! The times he lifts a ski are because he did not get the inside ski inclination correct, and they go out of parallel. He only gets more weight on the DH/outside ski well after the fall line.... As for his new outside ski being forward before the turn...well...yeah. That is impossible NOT to do when you are traversing across any significant slope. The inside ski is pushed up due to the incline. With a stiff boot, the motion moves to the hip joint, and the ski HAS TO move forward. This is not some special deliberate position he is adopting. At low edge angles...say 0-20 degrees...there is ZERO advantage to be on one ski. The ski is going to bend the same arc no matter what at these very low angles. So more load (all the weight on one ski) has no advantage. In such a case, two skis are better than one. This is the reason we do RR track and Garland drills. The the point where the skis are flat till we get them tipped about 20 degrees...we want to be 50/50...even weight. As soon as the skis load, before the fall line, THEN we use hip tilt and inside leg shortening to stack over one ski. Start the turn on two skis, but do the real work on one...once load builds, preferably well before the fall line. We want to be full power at the fall line. This specific drill is a harder version of a RR track drill. What happens when you do a "Big C" across the fall line? You go SLOWER. This makes it harder to initiate a turn. So you have to really exaggerate tipping angles...getting on edge FAST. Second, when you finish the turn, the fall line effect puts more weight on your outside ski. This in turn creates more of a challenge in transitioning your weight to the newer turn. This is the point of this drill. It adds weight distribution control to a RR track drill..... In reality there are "THREE" transitions not one Transition 1. Take the load off the old outside ski using pelvic bone tilt and loaded leg relaxation - go from 90/10 to 50/50, ideally. Transition 2. Get the upper body over the new inside ski (or you can think of it as getting the inside ski under the upper body), and aggressively supinate the inside foot to get the turn started. The outside leg will follow the inside. If you are decisive and aggressive with inside leg tipping, you will get strong edge angle similarity. You are trying to go from flat skis (no turning forces) to loaded skis (noticeable, but moderate turning forces ) as QUICK as possible. Again, 50/50 distribution is ideal...two skis are better than one at low edge angles. Transition 2 is about getting "some" load into the skis from "none" (as the body CoM crosses over the flat skis) Transition 3 (High edge angle race technique). Continue the inside knee drive (foot supination...leg lean) with pelvic bone tilt (MAX hip hike/leveling) to the point you take load OFF the inside ski. This is the mistake many people make. They PRESS on the outside ski. Wrong. You only have TWO skis. So to put all your weight on the outside ski, all you have to do is take weight OFF the inside ski. This will put you 90/10 on the new outside ski, stacked, strong and forward. Finish the turn. In this drill, Henrik is doing 1 and 2 only. For a racer, 3 is easy when you nail 1 and 2.
when you pressure outside ski, are you actually able to exert downward force into the snow outside of your body weight+ force of the turn? or are we just shifting weight to the outside? If you stood on an pressed could you make yourself weigh more than what you weight for more than a split second?
Yes, these also block the gates. Bc of the speed of the skier and the flexibility of the gates, you need to use both, the hand and the shin. The shin happens automatically and the hands don't really, that is why i focussed on it.
I just finished my 2nd trip/10th day skiing and this is exactly how I'm turning when I try to go parallel, just with a smaller wedge - it's very hard on my quads/legs still though, so will going fully parallel make me strain my muscles less?
Yes, going parallel is much less tough, but note that it will probably get much easier when your center of gravity is less on the heel and more towards the toes.
You can see clearly he gets too far inside for the speed he is going. The slight wedge appears when his balance is not directed properly to the new turning ski on time. this turn shape drill (super slow motion) is very challenging. I like the demos it shows how much more refinement there can still be achieved in an already great skier.
A method I’ve used but not mentioned in the video is “pushing” the new inside leg lower and lower throughout the arc. I imagine that I’m trying to drive my inside knee down towards the snow. The inside ankle will be pressed and pushing against the uphill side of the boot. The more I keep tipping the more the radius continues to tighten up. What I like about this is it seems to automatically take care of weighting the outside/downhill ski at the same time.
This not an ideal way to achieve edge angles. You are likely driving your hip in, and your upper body out relative to the force axis of the outside ski. This puts you in what I call the "edge angle hero" position, with far more weight on the inside ski than you may recognize. This is not ideal skiing. The goal is not high edge angles alone. The goal is generating the most turning force efficiently. Edge angles are PART of that, but not the sole goal. Skiers need to stop focusing on edge angles alone, and compromising other technique to do it. Part of this is understanding how a ski works. At low edge angles, the arc a ski will carve is pretty much based on edge angle alone. At a 15-20 degree edge angle, you can stand on one ski (100/0 weight dist)...or stand on two (50/50 weight dist) and the carved arc will be similar. But at HIGH edge angles, the arc you carve is based on Edge Angle AND Load. If you stand on ONE ski at 60 degrees edge angle, the arc will be much tighter than if you stand on TWO skis at 60 degree edge angles. This is a function of the angle moving the waist of the ski off the snow, creating the ability for the ski to fully flex. At low angles, the full flex of the ski is minimal. What this all means is that being able to CARVE on ONE SKI is a core skill. It is mandatory, and very few edge angle heroes do it. We must be carving on ONE ski. Look at top skiers. Their body is stacked...not much side break between the torso and the pelvic bone. It is a very very TALL position. TALL = STRONG...like the top 6" of a squat in weight-lifting. Not only is the loaded outside ski leg close to straight, the upper body is also not bent to the side much. A good rule of thumb is that your body position (side to side) in a high load turn, relative to the outside ski, should be THE SAME as when you do an "outside ski only drill". Watch Ramon Zenhausern (WC SL winner...and 6' 8" Tall!) doing an outside only drill, here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KV5DIRBczFs.html The force axis from the outside ski (square to the top sheets) is pointing directly through his belly button. Why? Because he is on only one ski. It HAS to be, or he will either fall to the inside, or get "stood up" Outside ski only forces you to be in balance. When you are skiing on ONE ski, as you should to bend the ski properly, you achieve the tightest arc. When we are in a high performance turn, 90%+ of the load should be on the outside ski. That means to be in balance, the body needs to be stacked over the outside ski. You do not achieve this by driving the leg down. You achieve this by INCLINING THE ENTIRE BODY while maintaining the CoM such that it is lined up with the force axis. This is HARD because you have minimal corrective mechanism to maintain dynamic balance -hip leveling and inside knee drive are the main corrective mechanisms at high angle on one ski. The edge angle hero style of skiing is easier, because you achieve high edge angles, but you retain corrective mechanisms. You bend the whole body, with a "kink" at the middle, like a "V". You put a lot of weight on the inside ski (35-45%). Both of these retain corrective mechanisms...so when you get out of balance, you can recover. It feels safe. But this is WEAK skiing, because you have two moderately loaded skis instead of one fully loaded ski. You are also in a weak overall body position. To take 2-3 Gs in a turn, you MUST BE TALL AND STACKED. To GENERATE 2-3 Gs in a turn you must be on ONE SKI. End of story. Listen to Deb Armstrong and John Leffler discuss the force axis relative to the Center of Mass...here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jSJR4sqR8pU.html The key this is to STOP side break and putting weight on the inside ski. The key to skiing correctly is being able to generate high edge angles ON ONE SKI. Very few people can do it. Driving the leg down to the snow will get you higher edge angles, but you are compromising your skiing to do it. Incline the whole body and stay stacked, tall and strong.
I ski with 87 edges , this year I visited ischgl in Austria and snow condition was not the best from like 1PM it was very icy and I struggle to carve on it , I,m not professional athlete but I love skiing and I ski on a decent level , I just want to know if I have to sharpen skis more or I have some technique problem
Difficult to say from afar. If your skis or boots are not the ones they ski in FIS World Cup, you ll struggle even with good technique and with sharp edges.
OK....how come NO top WC skiers do this? NO ONE today AT THE ELITE LEVEL skis with such pronounced angulation. Watch the end of "Ski Racing Angles... an evolution over the years". They all have dramatically less angulation between torso and force axis, but achieve even higher edge angles. There is also much less counter....current skiers keep their hips square to the direction of travel. So, the way that top WC skiers are doing it today runs counter to everything you say here.
I still I like to do for this is passing a pile behind my back on every turn, making sure it is on the side of my inside ski. This forces me to recentre my hips very quickly and start my next turn faster and more efficiently.
Personalised feedback sounds nice on paper or RU-vid video, but in reality it is unattainable or prohibitively expensive. Maybe I have been unlucky but in my experience, very few ski instructors have ability to train adults beyond basics, even fewer understand individual biomechanics and limitations. All I hear is "good skiing", "much improvement", etc., while the only real change happened just in my wallet 🙂
Probably THE best drill. You MUST be able to make high edge angle turns on one ski if you truly want to go fast....and this drill teaches you how to balance and carve on one ski....IN A STRONG POSITION. World Cup skiers carry the loads with their gluteus medius and gluteus maximus muscles as much as their quads, because they are edging "tall" but highly inclined. That is how they are able to pull 3Gs and not rip their knees apart.
I hate to say this but these short turns are more like Z turns than quality rounded C shaped turns. There is a lot of putting on the brakes for every turn, in my estimation. I'm not a fan of these drills either as I don't believe they link one's ability to development of proper C shaped turns.
I find leaning towards the tip of the outside ski helps me bend the ski and shortens the radius. You have to be ready for the pressure to build up and tip down onto a higher edge angle and also to move the weight back more central at the end of the turn to prevent the tails skidding.
No no not how he does it. It is about releasing the turn with both skis simultaneously. The way to achieve this is concentrated on the skis being on the flat and then release the turn by gently edging and slight pressure from the hip onto the skis into the new turn……
I see way way too much horizontal separation. It is like you are forcing inside leg shortening and in doing so things are going slightly off.... It it is also related to your transition which is a big big problem. Stop the video at 2:05, 2:09, etc. You are standing nearly straight up and down! That is a major red flag. All that up and down of your CoM is messing up your turn entry...which is why you fell. You ski pressures are rising and falling too much due to all that up and down. Also, I personally believe that shortening of the inside leg should not be active (pulling your leg shorter using hamstring and hip flexors) but passive (driven by your edging...ie your inside ski PUSHES your inside leg shorter), and the focus should be on maintaining edge similarity. #1 - Low transition so that there is minimal CoM vertical movement. This allows you to keep weight on your old DH ski as it becomes your new inside ski. As the old DH ski passes under you (femurs rotating in your hip joints) you need the fine control to start that edge. While this is happening, load will be quickly shifting to your outside leg/ski due to radial acceleration (turning forces). But that little instant where the old DH ski comes under you, the turn has to be started with the front of the inside ski. In other words..the old DH is in charge until the force of the turn pulls the load off of it. #2 - By keeping the old DH ski "in control", you will have good edge similarity. As load transfers to the outside ski, the inside ski will arc tighter, giving you separation. But this inside ski pushing your leg shorter has to start EARLY EARLY EARLY...it needs to start the turn. Feel it, and drive that knee even more...but keep your stance narrow - horizontally. The ideal is your legs still rubbing each other but the skis far apart - vertically. Watch Ligety's slow mo video (the version posted by Yura Z). Stop it at 0:13. Look at Ted's HORIZONTAL SEPARATION! It is ZERO. Heck it is negative...meaning his inside leg is overlapping his outside leg! If you maintain low horizontal separation it is pretty much impossible not to have excellent edge similarity. If you have edge similarity, it does not matter if you put weight on the inside ski as a plan B save maneuver. Same with Hirscher....look at this video (Marcel Hirscher | Men's Giant Slalom | Adelboden | 1st place | FIS Alpine). Freeze it at 0:17. Zero horizontal sep. All vert. Freeze at 0:20....slight mistake there...tiny A-frame...but still the horizontal sep is minimal. I am not sure if there is a drill to teach no horizontal and all vertical separation....but I believe it is the key.
The Austrian isn’t one I have done but will try out, I have seen it on other videos. I can do the rest plus other short turn variations not shown here. They all help make one a better skier.
When putting pressure on the outside ski, remember to press into the hill, not down the hill. If you press down the hill, your outside ski will slip down in a reverse snow plough, as a result making you inside. I used to do this but the first race I started fixing it, I started winning more races. Always keep it in mind.
Personally, I like to call flushes verticalies, and longer flushes royal flushes. I found this quite interesting as I personally like to take bananas on the full-line on-on, and the middle two of a royal flush with whatever hand is closest, but I’ll try the dodging method. Thanks.
I am a 70 year old recreational racer coming back from some injuries. I loved your analysis and had never seen your videos before.. I noticed that your racer had a much wider stance on her turns than I do which I may try to go back to doing and her inside knee is much more bent than mine (my left knee needs a total replacement so I'll blame it on that). Thanks for posting.
This skier is very obviously conducting a very specific task the likes of which we cannot know without getting this info from the skier. This analysis is completely useless without discovering the intent of the skier. So many useless videos like this on RU-vid it is massively debilitating to those not capable of understanding this key point. Though, almost as soon as someone starts a channel m, they fall under the pressure ti keep posting material which is why we end up with useless ones like these. The Mai goal to operating a RU-vid channel is to keep posting new material which is the reason why most of it in this space is of very poor quality if there is any quality at all. In this case, he is copying someone else’s video which should be your first hint.
