Award winning television producers ROB AND CINDY DORFMANN host this weekly True Crime Podcast. Season 1: WHO KILLED MOLLY MILLER and COLT HAYNES, Season 2: The KILLING HOUR WITH DOC BONN, Season 3: SERIAL KILLER WHISPERER WITH LAURA BRAND. SEASON 4: MY UNCLES ESCAPED FROM ALCATRAZ Season 5: WHAT HAPPENED TO NOAH PRESGROVE?
Why would he say “ Carter took those shorts and put them on him” and not Noah put the shorts on. I noticed he is very good at changing the subject and/or avoiding the question.
This is an extremely sad situation for the family and friends of the missing pair. One issue that has never sat right from the moment I heard it was the testimony of the friends that went to look for the pair the next morning while apparently talking to them on the cellphone. I understand that Colt and Molly didn’t know their exact location due to being disoriented through their night in the wooded area and Colts injuries is the friends who are trying to locate them have a neighbour of the property fire shots in to the air! But neither Colt or Molly explained over the phone that they couldn’t hear them!??? . I’ve spent a lot of time and 12 years in the infantry and on fairly level ground like that? To say it’s not mountainous or deep valleys…..the gunshot would be heard for at least 2-3 miles if not more!!?. I know there are other factors like wind that could affect this but still it’s odd?. At the end of the day sadly feel that this was a very sad and very basic situation gone horribly wrong… After running away from the scene of where the car was dumped that first night Con in his adrenaline and drug fuelled panic went home leaving the pair of equally panicked and presumably drug befuddled youngsters to run and hide from what they believed were the cops hunting for them! At some stage Colt climbs a tree to try and get his bearings and fall’s injuring his leg badly!…the next morning after the fiends/searchers have given up and left Con and presumably others go to where the car was dumped and find Molly and Colt! Now maybe Colt died of blood loss or shock or maybe he wanted to go to the hospital I which case Con panicked as I believe he would feel that Colt understandably would tell the police that he and Molly had nothing to do with the car chase and were themselves victims! At which point Con ( and maybe under peer pressure) or one of his group kill Colt!. Then or presumably later at some point Molly too. No deep conspiracy just stupid ignorant want to be criminals killing Two youngsters over what amounts to nothing. This case has been so mishandled and so many years have gone by I really believe that without a confession by one of the first hand witnesses this case even if the bodies are found on the property will never get a conviction. A truly awful situation.
Subscribed to this,On my new account,Great Series , Excited for next week Episode, I am obsessed and can't get enough about Alcatraz and the Successful Escape
I just measured the bottom of my husbands golf club and It's exactly 4 " inches ... 🤔 Where are those golf clubs? 🤔 I don't know the names of different golf clubs I'm not sure if they are all exactly the same size at the bottom but the one I measured is 4 in . Noah had a 4-inch divot on his head 😢
If Noah’s black shorts were seen on Noah at the scene by Kaden, then they were handed to Dalen from Jack, This is very strong evidence that proves Jack did it or was involved in Noah’s death?
Having heard the case, and most of the facts, I will say that this “Partners In Crime” is the best trustworthy one. I like your approach, I am agreeing with you, and I do have a theory of what happened to Noah but I would rather have the detectives do their work.
Maybe fight on gravel road then showered left mad and ran over by a truck on purpose, after golf club attacked . If he offended host and she started a fight everyone may of attacked him
I have thought maybe he was on the front of the side by side, they crashed and he was crushed perhaps between a tree and the vehicle. However doesnt explain no leg injuries. They may have made up the whole bathing etc to make it seem he left that house alive.
Jack picked up those white pair of shorts from the middle of the road and put them in his truck bed to try to nonchalantly get some dirt were grease or stones or some kind of debris on them!!!!😮 I sure hope the white shorts were forensically tested to see if Noah had any of his DNA on the white shorts?? Since that's what Jack is trying to say..... is .... that he actually lent Noah his shorts to wear after he got out of the shower!! Which also proves he wasn't asleep didn't Jack also say he put the two different shoes on Noah? So whose DNA are fingerprints are on the shoes? Yes one shoe was a slip-on however You usually need your hands to tie your other lace shoe on !!!!!!! Who laced up that shoe who put supposedly put the white shorts on Noah after they gave him a shower 😮😮??!?? before he supposedly went walking out the door? We have an eyewitness who said she saw him Noah walking away from the house down the gravel driveway! Without his hat on without his phones and without his wallet !😮😮😮 He was not walking down the gravel road naked !!
Oh Jack, you were supposed to be Noah's best friend! You are not strong enough to carry this burden of guilt the rest of your life! I know what you did... you were playing some kind of a a drinking game around 2ish butt things got really out of hand a lot of fighting going on that evening you were extremely jealous of Noah that evening... was it Noah's brand new cell phone he was showing off he had just gotten the day before? Or was it all the attention he was constantly getting from the ladies? You just finally had enough of Noah's upper hand, sort of arrogant attitude?? And when you saw him cozing up to your girlfriend you lost it didn't you things started getting loud is that why Pressy's cousin went home around 2:30? Aunt called Pressy around 2:45 to say she had come to pick her up because she was "feeling uncomfortable" with all the tension and fighting that was going on !!! So you know what took it outside you picked up a golf club and you struck him in the back of the head when his back was to you and that's why there's a huge 4-inch divot in Noah's skull you actually detached his brain stem from his head so he died instantly in case you were wondering he didn't feel any more of your rage as you continued beating Noah over the back with the golf club until it was bent ! you broke all of his ribs bilaterally!!!!😮😮😮 in other words.... just the top six rows on EACH side of the rib cage we're broken. (so they know it had to have been done with a straight bar) That's a very precise hit-and-run wouldn't you say? Along with No injuries blow the belt. But the 3 biggest things for me is there's an eyewitness that saw you coming out of the woods on the side by side around 5:15 a.m. Exactly where Noah's body was found😮😮 pressy saw black shorts Noah he was not naked! The biggest piece of evidence is in a metal trash pile.... and that is the bent golf club driver that pressy saw at Jack's house!! It's just a matter of time Before the police come and get you😮😮 you may want to brush up on your lying skills if you're going to try to carry this charade the rest of your life!
Too much I don't know, and girls know. They all moved out of town ? Can't escape the mirror and the creator of all souls. Bible says do not fear what man can do to you . FEAR what God your creator can do to you in the after life most likely this life to. Beware of fake friends. Fake girlfriends. Justice for Noah. It will come reap it.
Like hearing about the photo and this was a another great episode,with great guest look forward to next week episode , Are any of the Former Prison guards who were on Alcatraz the night of the successful escape still alive?
Y’all have me so intrigued! I’ve always been interested in history in general and genealogy, as well as true crime. Namely killers/serial killers and their psyche. Since I was little I’ve been interested in criminal psychology. I can’t believe all of these things are intertwined! I’ve already ordered Juliet’s book! Can’t wait to read it and hear more from all of you. Keep up the amazing work! It’s appreciated! ❤
Love this! (Genealogy) Cindy must spend so many hours doing this! Fascinating information. Where is the usual 💵 donate button in the comments? Can't wait to learn more! Also what happened with Noah's coverage? Will Cindy do Stevie Howard/Ricky Howard family tree 😉 😉 maybe there's a cluster there!
@DNAMysterySolver watch The Act Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Then watch her recent interviews during and after she went to prison for getting a guy to kill her mom! Mystery Solver, we got mysteries to solve! No DNA needed in this wild case.
Being a late discovery "adoptee" I am walking proof you can not nurture away the nature even if you try... I never would have concieved that DNA can be responisble for so many little things... But even those with identical genes like identical twins have different gene expresaion in some if those gene expressions.. So what causes the gene expression to differ from the non killers with these same genes? Enviromenta toxins, virus, bacteria, fungus, geopathic stress, ritual abuse as children, maternal exposure in the womb by something listed above? Fascinating to discover and maybe aomeone will look deeper into this....
There is a picture floating around where I believe a 2x4 board is laying on the ground in front of the porch. Could this have been something that was used?
There is a picture floating around where I believe a 2x4 board is laying on the ground in front of the porch. Could this have been something that was used?
He is so narcissistic that he shows no emotion howsoever. He sounds like his talking about a complete stranger, not his best friend, how he refers to him.
I been following this for a while and this case is so complex and he said she said and rumors this is so unfair on Noahs family as a family without awnser s it makes it hard to greive properly and you cant move forward JUSTICE FOR NOAHS FAMILY RIP NOAH GOLDEN SOUL ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🇦🇺🇦🇺
I think he stood on top of the side by side jack was driving and he was thrown hard towards a tree they showered him to wash off all the penis drawings bc it makes them look horrible. This set off a chain of events that they simply couldn’t undo. They now all think they will go to prison and are all threatening eacother not to tell. But someone will spill something drunk or to a gf or something and this will all come out. I think they washed the side by side with a hose. Hints the wet front porch.
Sydney, Australia here! I am not entirely sure if this will have any bearing on Noah's case, but this morning I was involved in an accident. The accident was my fault. I struck the side of a slow moving sedan car while rushing to catch a bus at 8am. I was thrown back rolling sideways to sustain a fractured left rib with a mild abrasion to my left elbow. There was no altered level of consciousness, since there was no head-strike and so, I am fully aware of everything. The car would have been going at no more than 10 mph hour - not even that! - as it was taking a corner. I was wearing lace-up shoes, tired tightly enough. My left shoe flew off, landing several feet away from me. On realizing that my shoe had flown off, and given that it was laced up, my immediate thought was for Noah. In my opinion, and as a result of what I personally experienced this morning (and again, I was at fault) I do not believe Noah's death was caused by a "hit and run", if when he was found, he was still wearing his shoes. Not at all. It's just not possible. Even while being attended to at the local hospital (where I was actually rushing to get to for work), all I could think about was Noah, and how at such a low speed with minimal impact, my body was thrown back, and airborne enough that I should lose a shoe. So, why am I sharing this with you? It is because if everything that happens in life is assigned a reason, and particularly within the broader scheme of more spiritual things, and given that Noah was my very first thought on seeing that my shoe had flown off after regaining my composure, I can only trust that my experience can contribute in some positive way to attaining justice for him! I will continue praying for him, and his family every day! Blessings!
I actually feel like there are 2 reasons why the black shorts were taken 1) being to hide DNA evidence 2) to leave Noah naked to shame him in some way done solely out of jealousy which would mean whatever happened was escalated out of jealousy over a female. Most likely one of which was at the party.
