If no one else considered this I googled how many miles a taxi takes on per year, 45,000+ miles. So, while American Lease might be casting a brighter future for private owners you do not think that they will allow their taxis to sit idle while they help private owners with the parts they need to get their taxis on the road. Add to that NYC driving challenges of bad roads, pot holes, weather, aggressive drivers. Add all that and the more than triple the miles that taxis take on a year and that will put a huge demand on parts and dry up parts that are needed for private owners that will have the priority of going to American Leasing. Wishful thinking that this report is viewing things as positive for the private owner. I see it as the reverse.
If they get a "Tax Incentive" the 14k price (per unit) will be around 7k! (If that is true). Not bad for an electric vehicle. (Perhaps they can payback this investment in the first few months if they are making them into uber, or taxi cabs, etc)
How are they going to charge their fleet in New York City. Revel, which is a EV rideshare company in New York City has built charging hubs. Will American least do the same?
adam , theres a few in the uk that have been going through BCA auctions , have renamed the vehicle as the only peeps who want to own one will now be bargain hunting / gamblers So i now have for uk folks renamed it the RISKER
Thank you very much for your endeavor! I wish Fisker speaks out and contact to the owners and shareholders if he is respectful to them. Being silent makes them frustrating. I wish you were Fisker!
Well done on the interview, its always great to hear from someome directly involved. Sounds like a win win as far as parts goes for AL and FOA if they join forces for purchasing power.
I was watching the John DeLorean story and it reminds me of Fisker. Both were great designers who didn’t understand about production and scaling up. DeLorean had some great features in the prototype, but had to take a lot of them out for production. Both companies were under funded for what was needed.
American lease paid just over $16,000 each, for new examples. Yes. The terms of the Bankruptcy deal are in a previous video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BXrvCf42h5M.htmlsi=6CU9OweHNG2sPEwt <-- 5 minutes 24 seconds.
Basically, the owners are on their own, an American Fleet is purchasing these cars to grow their Fleet, not to help fisker owners. They already know too, if there's any point taking on selling parts which they will not be because they know the amount of fisker vehicles that have already been sold, and they know there's no roi on this
The goal for American lease is to help the association if they decide to stockpile parts. In the event that they don’t, American lease will then provide parts to partners the Association decides to establish as a for profit business.
at least 10 percent of their fleet will get dented panels or worse , so they realise they could have to remanufacture certain parts to keep on the road as they wont earn their dough stuck in a compound , dependingb on the costs of these items which will be ironed out when selling on to private buyers.
@@Aslash304 This will not happen as there is no profit in this. They're using the purchase of these vehicles to grow their business on paper. The accusation of these vehicles increases their their company's holdings and assets. It increases the value of their company. This company will not take on selling parts to a very small percentage of people in this country. That owned these vehicles.American fleet will most likely sell their business in the next year or so
@Aslash304 He never once said he would do it. In this interview, he consistently said we will look into it. He consistently refer to the owners association. There's no business in taking care of twelve thousand cars. I mean, I could tell you I was going to sell parts to fisker owners, doesn't mean it's going to happen. A logical business person would tell you fisker's dead.The owners of the vehicles are left to hold the bag.
so american lease as this gentalmen stated had been in negotion for a major fleet fisker purchase since feb , Mmm interesting. Was there timing of interest sparked by the price cut to fisker employees( the public offer WHICH LANDED FROM APRIL 3RD ?)
Cristian from FOA here. Our core working groups are comprised of members that stretch from Norway to California and we are thinking about how we approach this in every region where Oceans can be found. American Lease has shown a willingness to think way outside the box on this with us to make sure we are thinking collectively about both the North American and European markets.
Exactly. I've been following Fisker Ocean UK groups and the main concern is insurance. All insurance companies have pulled the Fisker. Only one left and that is quoting double what owners were paying before. No matter what American Lease of FOA say or try to achieve, UK owners are being left with cars they cannot drive or sell now.
@@cristianfleming8313 The idea of people joining together and forming this association (FOA) is really good. But what are the main motives here? There are only 11,201 Oceans. 6,864 of them are in the USA and the rest are spread across Europe. 3,231 vehicles are now owned by American Lease. So the FOA supports 3,633 cars in the USA and 4,337 in Europe. Subtracting vehicles that have been in accidents or inaccuracies in my research, that would be 7,500 vehicles worldwide. Why all this effort to run the FOA? Please don't misunderstand me: I think it's great that the owners are looked after. I'm also happy when I get support. After all, I also bought a FOE, but it's still at the dealer waiting for approval from Fisker.
He said the Fisker Ocean will be "a massive upgrade for our drivers who have traditionally been driving more basic cars like Toyotas." Ummm -- My 2003 Toyota Prius and 2017 RAV4 Hybrid were leaps and bounds higher-functioning than my Fisker Ocean Extreme. None of the fancy safety features work and may never work, like adaptive cruise control and pedestrian alerts. And don't get me started about the key fob functionality. Then there is the reliability issue, where at any moment there is a measurable risk that the Ocean will become a brick. So, no. In no world is a mid-grade Toyota "more basic" than a Fisker Ocean. If the Fisker Ocean fully functioned as originally advertised, then it would be a different story.
Agree. With ICE, Hard (maybe impossible) to beat a Toyota. This will, however, be the first opportunity for a company that cares about the car to try to car for the car. Glimmer, not shimmer.
I think your basis of evaluation and your use case is different than a cabbie's. Also, not easy to find a luxury EV from toyota for $16500 fleet price brand new.
Another great video - thanks as always! It's somewhat good (hopeful) news regarding parts/services, but at the moment I think the biggest and more immediate concern is if/when/how the pump recall (and the other recalls) would impact the owners... which I'm losing hope for as days go by that we'd get anything out of it. I was really hoping they'd include recall fix for the owners as a requirement before Fisker's allowed to unload the leftovers to AL :(
I second that very much, even though it seems brighter for those happy with this car, regarding parts, and maybe, I mean maybe software, owners were still effed big time. However listening to this guy, it's all business, which is fine, and these problems with the cars are not his doing. So I guess we are effed. I am still holding out for a miracle.
@@Aslash304 I find so many different answers to questions about Fisker. I'm from Austria and ordered a FOE from the dealer 2 months ago. The car is there and cannot be handed over to me. The recalls have already been completed except for the water pump. The water pump has already arrived at the dealer and will be installed soon. The dealer is still waiting for approval from Fisker. Only then will I get the car. That's what my dealer told me on the phone today. Everything is uncertain and there's only one thing to do: wait and see.
Nice get & good job on the interview. I see how this can be good for their leasing business, but I think he’s giving false hope to owners. I think we should unpack what this truly means for owners…cost of FOA dues, cost of parts, cost of getting your vehicle to a service location or a freelance service tech to your vehicle. Ongoing costs for connectivity, map & other infotainment updates, cost for bug fixes with no warranty on them or on repairs. Owners need to understand current state is the best condition their FO will be. They will not improve with OTA updates, and they will degrade with use over time. Insurance costs are also likely to increase. I think the “Fisker King” said it best…owners are unfortunately about to learn about all the flaws in the FO, and will add the consequences of the Fiskers’ cost cutting decision… I hope I’m wrong, but I’m afraid this deal accelerates the end of Fisker and will ultimately be false hope for existing owners.
With the limited production numbers and now a subset of Oceans within one company I do see prices for parts to be marked up somewhat. There is "some" benefit to one company "American Leasing" having a significant fleet which got them a great deal per car and will help to get somewhat of a deal on parts. If the FOA can organize the owners to be as solidified as this Leasing company FOA might be able to get a similar deal for parts BUT that would require the owners to very closely work together and for almost all owners to be part of it AND financially contribute to both the support of FOA as well as financial contribution for parts, in general. Not just the parts an individual owner might need but to contribute to a collection of parts everyone will benefit from. That means owners can't be selfish and just contribute or want to buy their one single needed part but to contribute towards an inventory of parts. It seems everyone might be stuck with OS 2.1 and American Leasing even said that they are not concerned about adaptive cruise control, Since these will be NYC Oceans and not highway, that function is not important to them. This will be tough, there could be some benefit but at.a cost. Another angle might be to find part numbers, manufactures and perhaps a Jaguar iPace part is used in the Ocean and you could go to Autozone and ask for a part referencing it as a Jaguar part. For example the cooling pump. The manufacutres, was it Johnson controls, a part number is now known. Things like this could be helpful.
I do agree that software updates (outside of recall requirements / safety issues) won't be prioritized in the short-term at least. Longer-term, we will know once American Lease & FOA start begin officially working with Magna, the developers & 3rd party suppliers. American Lease becoming the largest Fisker cars owner & operating as a "taxi fleet" has already yielded immediate positive benefits for all owners (compared to the uncertainty of spare parts availability & access just yesterday). For owners who want to keep the car long-term, this is really good news since a "taxi fleet" does regular maintenance of their vehicles & so will need regular access to spare parts at good prices; a responsible taxi company maintain service schedules & will replace some parts before they break-down as many of the cars rack-up lots of miles within a short time-frame & is in use for a full workday nearly, or even, daily. At the very least, the fear & uncertainty of spare parts has been addressed, though implementation will take time. As far as flaws & degradation over time is concerned, this is the risk of buying any cars really, including ICE vehicles; if the owners had the risk appetite & budget to buy an EV (relative new tech.) from a start-up (implication being start-ups may not survive long-term), & still love the car enough to keep it long-term, then these issues should have been part of the risk-reward calculations before purchase; Tesla, BYD & many other EV makers still have software bugs & other flaws discovered over time to this day.
I have been saying this for the past few weeks! I'm glad you are echoing what i have said. Inside these groups, folks are so happy, but they will not be happier down the road. You nailed it, by pointing out the cost and troubles that await.
I think this is maybe the best news that was possible. Like at least one company has a ton of these and will need parts and service. Might not help. But it won't hurt either. Glad he had the guts to jump in and chat. Nicely done
I agree, it's overall really good news for Fisker owners. I think it's not so much "guts" but a practical business decision to proactively introduce themselves to other Fisker owners & promote membership into the FOA, as the more organized & agreeable these 2 organizations are with each other, the better their Fisker ownership experience will be (i.e. volume discounts on parts, instant feedback from owners, utilizing all owners' experiences & networks for solutions, etc.).
Adam, please pass a message over to Josh to buy the IP from Fisker and build cars with Magna in Arizona. If Biden can give GM & Ford cash, they can certainly help keep the company afloat. It will give Americans more jobs and provide new customers confidence that a moron isn't running the company. The PEAR & Alaska will have a shot and offer the public a more affordable car.
Update, UK Ocean owners now unable to get insurance renewals. I did try and warn them. They are even paying FOA for help now. That ain't gonna happen. What a feck up!
