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just ordered acrylic chips from Amazon..heading to Vegas 2nd week of Nov...love the idea of using them as spacers and keeping track of how many rolls before the 7!
You should look at the slow mo chopper video. It’s also over a year old but it shows what I’m working on. Very good now that I’ve been practicing for so long. Quite comfortable with it and I’m very consistent
Do you track Roulette cross patterns with the dealers name, and do you ever use tracking sheets for each spin for Roulette. I say this due to my knowledge and experience with dealers steering. I only play first/last 18, red/black, and even/odd and I cover the 0, 00 split if I'm betting over a 100 per spin on $25 tables. I don't play high limit Roulette. I'm a Grinder. I know dealers that can hit the same number 4 to 6 times in a row for American Roulette. I process the same number differently than some players do. Dealers hide their skill by using cross pattern spin hits. Example: 0, 00, 5, 6 to me are the same number. Some dealers claim they can't steer but I know better. Years ago when I first started to play, I tracked and wrote down every spin with the dealer name. I never used a club card and the Pit Boss would brief and instruct the dealer how to play me. When I got up over 3,000 dollars they would send in a Asian Pro Dealer to try to beat me. This gentleman could straight out of the gate hit 4 or more exact cross patterns in a row. I was smart enough to never bet before the dealer and he was still able to challenge me. I would normally walk away and change tables. There is no such thing as 35:1 or 1:1 odds for Roulette since the dealer can steer the ball. If you were to bet Red/Black every spin the dealer is going to chop the spins to alternate between black/red/0, 00. I have learned to only bet the six bets I listed plus I cover with the 0, 00 split when needed. I rarely chop anymore. I never bet unless I have two of the six ways I bet hit twice in a series like 9, 31 then I chase the win for odd. If it went 9, 31, 4 I would then switch to black since black hit twice with 31, 4. If the ball jumps to a non series that didn't hit twice, I hold my bets until a series hits twice again. I now stop betting until I get a positive series started. This strategy lessens me having to cover a series of flipping numbers and increases my streaks. If you flip a chopping series you could end up losing 3 or 4 bets in a row. Also if the dealer is flipping the ball/or chopping the wheel you will probably be missing out with long streak of even/odd, or first/last 18. If someone is betting large bets during a flipping series and they are hitting 5, or 6 or numbers beside them, I may bet on 0, 00 after the dealer spins. The dealer is more likely to hit the 0, 00 during a series of flipping black/red. (Track Roulette for a week or so on a table with only 2 to 3 players and you will see a pattern with cross numbers/and trends with dealers flipping and hitting 0, 00 when players are making large bets and not covering the 0, 00.) If I were to play the inside if would be playing against the other players bet while only betting minimum bets to keep the focus not on me. Note: I only play the inside if the table is crowded and I'm using marked nickles, quarters and 100 dollar chips. I never buy unmarked marker chips. I don't like the dealer know how many chips I have. 99 percent of my table play is outside. 1 to 3 thousand bankroll. 1 to 3 thousand goal to get ahead. Session would last up 6 to 10 hours straight without needing to re-up again. Most of my bets 1x to 3x of minimum bet. Just a thought. The longer you play, the goal is to be so bored that the game involves no emotion or thrill. To use the same strategy you started with and don't raise your betting amounts when your ahead. I also pay Master level in Billiards, Chess and I use to work as a Corporate Trainer with forming Standardized methods for Time Management for Horticulture firms.
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For Koga and Da One their landing zone is far too close to the back wall, if they just make a slight adjustment to the landing zone and back it off, their results would be beyond immaculate.
I don’t know enough to know about their landing zones other than what I see as the chaos that happens on landing. I don’t think that would change in a different landing spot?
@@ProCraps Your toss is bad from start to release Da One's is perfect. Without being able to analyze in detail I can say that from what I can observe everything is perfect about his toss even the fact that they don't launch and end on an angle. All he needs to do now is either adjust the landing zone or how tight his grip is and even under slo mo-we would be able to see a world of difference with how not so random the dice permutate and distribute. The best part is, you don't even need to get it down that immaculately perfect to profit off of this game. Just using Da One's throw as is, is more than good enough to get an edge over this game. Full disclosure I recently got banned from all 3 major casinos in Michigan over dice control. To be fair though, I was on my last chance since a backoff at the blackjack tables went a little south last year. The sad reality, at least for me, was that I only got to play this professionally for 2.5 years. Oh well, at least I got to do it once. Study Dom's toss and find a way to do it without risking injury if you want to stand a chance at beating this thing long-term. I know it works.
Not to be that guy but all I see is normal dice behavior here. As a controlled shooter who makes a living playing craps, I can assure you that these 3 different surfaces you have showcased don't really do much to get in the way of a really good controlled shot. What they absolutely do is guarantee the same exact corollary "random" behavior across the board that generates some very fun dice probabilities that are almost close to perfect at any given moment short or long term. For anyone reading this thinking, well if the dice have a corollary behavior that mimics random and the results aren't actually truly random why can't you just overcome that with a dice set. It's simply because of how the numbers are positioned on the dice. This makes it so that you need to do just a little bit more than set them.
Ok I know this video is old but if all you wanna do is practice find a regular table, bet the pass and don't pass, set the dice to avoid the 12 and once you set a point shoot all you want. If anyone asks, do what I do and tell em this is all you have and you just wanna make it worth your while because you can't afford to own a table for yourself at home. Make sure you only buy in for 2 table minimum bets. So say the table minimum is 25, your buy in needs to look like 50. Once you are done practicing go home, because the eye in the sky is always watching and they will know something is up if you suddenly whip out a massive bankroll from your pocket and buy in at a table.
@@ProCraps For guys like us we are lucky to have the real deal tables at home, but there was a time I had to do this live at the casino in the middle of a session to troubleshoot my problem so as to not lose my entire bankroll. The early days of this were some of my worst, emotionally, physically, and mentally. I'm honestly glad to be done with it, albeit not by choice.
Betting "darkside" is a bad bet. The mathematical edge of betting darkside is so small (~0.05% or less) that it doesn’t outweigh the psychological benefits of playing with the table. You're 100% right: the casino prefers everyone to be on the same side, and so do the dealers. You play darkside because you're a mathematical gambler. That's fine, but the majority of gamblers are EMOTIONAL gamblers, and that's what the casino is primarily concerned with. You might walk up to the rail at a table because you know the odds. The majority step up to the rail and put money down because they see people having fun, cheering, getting excited. Even a single darksider at the table is a "cooler," he is putting the brakes on the vibe. Instead of everyone getting excited and cheering and sighing together as they win and lose, now someone is cheering for "the other team" and is acting as counterweight to that "wave" that is the "table vibe." It doesn't matter if this is rational or not, or true or not. Again, this is EMOTIONAL, and largely superstitious. Old-timers call a darksider a "Jonah," as in "he's bringing bad luck and gonna sink the ship, toss him overboard ASAP." When it comes to gambling in a brick-and-mortar establishment, the mood of the dealers is important, and nothing makes dealers happier than a cheerful, easy table that is tipping a lot, especially if they can ride the tips as bets with the players. Darksiders make tables more tense, they bring a feel of competitiveness, the darksider draws the ire of the players and becomes an emotional target as a tangible "enemy." I've seen people about to fight guys for placing DP bets. This extra tension is hard on dealers, and they usually won't let a tip ride as a bet on the Don't Pass because it is seen as splitting the players, so they're cut out of some of the action. Anyway, basically I'm saying there are a lot of kinds of "winning." The casino wants the players to "win" by having a good time, leaving with good feelings, wanting to come back again. A player can win by making some dealer friends with his tips, which leads to some VIP treatment with comps and drinks and so on, so that even when he loses at the table he wins something. A darksider is just out to win money by calculating the best odds, but the house edge is still there, so not only does the darksider not make any friends with the dealers or the casino or anyone at the table (often losing the benefits that happy dealers and pitbosses can get you) he still loses mathematically in the long-run. Not worth the 0.05% edge.
Here is a more tangible illustration: You and I both walk up to a craps table with $1000. I play pass-line with odds behind, you play don't pass with odds behind. The house has a 1.41% edge on me, and a 1.36% edge on you. So over the course of an hour we both break even minus house edge after paying out $20 in tips and walk from the table. I've lost $14.10, and you've lost $13.60 to the house. But the superstitious culture about the darkside bettors means that the dealers view you with suspicion, the other players considered you a blight on the table, people were unhappy to have you around, the pitboss passes by and shakes his head. The dealers weren't able to play your tips as bets. So even though you tipped the dealers the same amount as me, the dealers had more fun playing with my tips. The croupier walks over to the pitboss and gets me my surf and turf comped from the steakhouse. So you saved $0.50 cents on house edge because you chose a mathematically superior strategy, and I got a $30 meal comp because I chose a socially/psychologically superior strategy. And this effect compounds the more you play at the same tables, with the same dealer pool, at the same casino. Eventually you and I will both earn a reputation with the staff, and even if we both tip exactly the same, "somehow" they will end up liking me more and treating me better. Yes, this is absolutely a way that the casino manipulates players to "play how the house wants." Yes, the house does all kinds of things to punish darkside players. Yes, it's bullshit. It's also true at a lot of casinos (at least in Nevada where I grew up and learned to gamble).
Exactly “lay …” whatever the number is. You’ll need to also pay them the vig when you do that. 20% of the potential win amount. If you can’t remember don’t worry, they will ask you for it!
That’s right. 3x / 4x / 5x refers to the amount you can win not the amount you lay. So a $10 Don’t on the 4, laying 6x ($60) pays $30 which your 3x 6x the flat on the Don’t always works out perfectly to 3/4/5 on the numbers.
Just gonna chuck my 2 cents at this, take it or leave it. I tried and tested the chopper over thousands of rolls on my craps table at home with varying variations and even the variation you use. At least for me in my testing it performed overall as expected. My average rolls averaged out to the 8.3 you would expect to see; however, during each toss, I saw all types of typical things. I saw sevens on the come out, point seven outs, 3 tosses then a seven, you name it I saw it. So as far as I can conclude, either I can't throw this toss, or it's no better than the statistical average. Comparing this to the Dominator's throw, well... Dom's throw looked a lot different in my testing. I know you said you can't throw Dom's toss because of your shoulder, so I get it. But at least for me, the results are in favor of Dom's toss, and to be fair you don't have to throw it exactly the way he does to get the same results. Regardless you are awesome, your videos are awesome, and I hope you find your holy grail toss my friend one that is uniquely yours and not so easy to duplicate, and if you can, get a physicist to analyze your throws man. If I had access to one who could run calculations for me and watch my tosses in slow motion I guarantee you I'd have this bad boy cracked wide open. So seriously consider it.
Remember that the rules of the game allow for a shooter to throw multiple 7’s on the come out sequence. So unlike normal puck flow, you could get whacked a few times more just on the come out. So, if you’re kk with that, go for it. But I’ve been hammered by that a few times and learned my lesson
Great down to earth explanation 👏👏👏👍👍👍and you’re so correct!! I too have feared myself from betting logically in UNITS!! because all I seen was MONEY. Hell…it feels great just saying that!! I’m sharing this for many to see brother, thank you!!🙏
Glad it was helpful! In my Daily Paycheck show on @casinogamingtv, you'll see that we built up a huge bankroll over 200+ shows and now my buy-ins are $12,000 and my win goals are $2500. I don't try and make that goal by winning $25 100 times. Instead, I do 100 times my bet size. Instead of $64 across, it's $3200 across for a couple of hits. It's all about the number of wins and the number of units it takes to hit a goal, regardless of your bankroll.
Just for tracking purposes. It’s about results in practice it’s face control. And the 1’s and 6’s are simple to spot and track way easier to hone in on in slow motion.
If you can't see the path forward on the horizontal spin, then I can't help you. The physics for this toss are there, even if I can only do it 1/100 times, the dice and that video don't lie.
Completecand absolute bullshit. As soon as die leave the hand they are subject to so many variables such as humidity, speed, elevation, point of contact...its just preposterous to claim that you can control the outcome of roll...fool
You told us that your goal is +10% and -20% your stop loss. If you win 6 out of 10 you’re losing money. How do you move in this process to be a winner ?
It's all about the ratios and also you need a little bit of luck to get past that 6/10 ... on the series where you do that, you have to lock up. On the series where it's going south, DO NOT CHASE
@@ProCraps so in this way, patience and discipline, even starting with a 200€ bankroll it’s fine ? I mean it can grow up gradually in an year for example ? 👍🏻
@@gabrieledeluca5925 Patience and Discipline give you the best chance to make it work, in my opinion. If you have the strike out or home run mentality, then what will happen is you'll strike out 8 or 9 times between great shooters or sessions. In the end you may be in the same financial position as a grinder or someone that plays more of a builder-mentality like I do, but your experience getting there will be way different. Me? I'll lose $300 once every 5 times, but win $125 or $150 every 3-4 times. I'm ok with that type of ratio vs burning $500 8 times and then having a $5000 miracle session. Doing it the more grinder way like that means that no loss or win will be life changing, nor should the sum of them be.
I've had many days where I've hit it twice or gotten multiple legs ... but hundreds of times where it's nothing. If you add it all together, it's a net negative.
You have control over everything until first contact. All you can do is hope that you gave them a chance. It's a sliver of a chance, but utlimately for me, it's just about rhythm and comfort at the table.
I always like placing odds bets on my come bets. But, I like to win my odd bets by have place bets on all the inside numbers, 5, 6, 8, and 9 and sometimes even the 4 and 10. Then place a come bet and use the place bet win on that number to provide you with the odds bets, and sometimes, even the next come bet.
As rule, you are correct. But gambling generally doesn't make sense period. But here is how I make it worthwhile. I hop the seven for $6, in addition to $10 on the craps. I don't know how it is around the country, but in Philly and AC two or three sevens on the come out is more often than probability. I use the winnings to press up the ats. Some shooters cannot last for 9 rolls but manage to still hit a small or tall. That's how I play it. Thanks
Idk, i had a buddy hit the make them all for 225-1 last time... i bet a total of 3$ ... i think it was worth.... i also often hit the all tall at 35-1 i think...if your a good shooter i guess its not a big deal.
The big thing is that pass line bleeding out the wins by having to replace them. The casinos made that a requirement and you can see what it does to you.
@CasinoGamingTV i play the dont pass, so i don't really have that problem i guess, and i only play the "Bonus"(make um all) when im shooting or another verified shooter is shooting. So im not bleeding every shooter.
There is a guy called "Crappy the Craps man" on youtube. He has a strategy called the "King 7" its similar to your 4 horseman i think. However its hands down the best strategy ive found to play forever while still winning with minimal risk exposure.
Very good info. You made a video about your style toss, number one dice on top of the other number one and you throw those vertical. Can you do a slow motion video about your style? Thanks in advance
Thank you John! I have a group of craps friends and every trip is usually talked about based on how many, if any ATS bets are won. Needless to say, they rarely have a good story to tell. Amazes me how many people place pass line bets with the hope of insuring their ATS bet on a come out 7.
I've ran hundreds and hundreds of rolls on my home table and i promise you my dice know when I'm laying the 10 or 4 for big lays. The stinking 4,6 comes waaaaay too often
I can’t win on craps. Don't pass I lose, pass I lose inside I lose. From what I observe only win when ATS hits. Either lose full bankroll or when I win it's just the ATS total.
No hops bets at my casino. I would $5 on any 7's and $2 on 11's. 7x12=$84. You have 12 rolls to = the $82 hedge on 10 and not lose all of it on one shot. In 12 come out rolls you will probably hit a 10 like you threw 4 10's and maybe more than once. In 12 come out rolls you will definitely hit 7/11. Everytime you hit a 7/11 it resets the money you have to place on 7/11 so you are not bleeding constantly.
