I don't have a precise value for that, but it seams like 15 kts would be ideal. The winds in the video are in excess of 20 kts which gives more sail power but results in more drag due to how hard the hull works and the drag produced by the rudder fighting weather helm. So strong gusty winds are fun but if you want to get somewhere with the sail kit. On a reach in smooth water 15kts to 20kts wind would be ideal.
Excellent question. I haven't had to rite the kayak, but have had to do this on daysailers and sunfish in years past. So if needed I would approach the problem in a similar matter. In most cases the boat would be on it's side with the sail on the water, in this case you would use body weight to flip it back up. ( daysailers have an advantage that you can use the center board or dagger board for leverage). With the kayak I have my paddle on a leash and would wrap the leash over the hull use my feet on the paddle to leverage it up. If this doesn't work or the boat turned "turtle" (upside down with sail and mast under water} it may be harder. Either way it's important to not tire yourself out stay with the boat ( it floats } and await rescue. Hopefully we're wearing our PFD.
Thanks for the quick answer. I found myself upside down with the mask on in the water. I had two things going for me, number one. I was wearing a lifevest and number two, I had a friend in another kayak with me. We were able to rite it, but the sail came off in the water, which was actually a good thing because it was acting as a sea anchor. All in all it was a good exercise and getting back into the kayak and continuing on, All be it without the mast and sail. Thanks again for the reply.
Does this get pretty unbalanced in rough water? If the battery was located in the front hull well instead of behind you do you think it would still work?
The Outback handles well in rough water either when peddle powered or with trolling motor. With trolling motor setting motor straight ahead and steering with rudder would be preferred technique in rougher conditions. Placing the battery box in rear tank well balances better than placing battery or batteries in front hatch. however if your placing other gear of sufficient weight and using single battery in front hatch that might be an option.
To build the cart you buy two C-Tugs and a coupler that attaches them together.All parts are available from Railblaza. It's great for larger kayaks like the Pro Angler.
I have the Hobie sail for my PA-14. The Pro Anglers are a large kayak and the Hobie sail is a bit underwhelming… Definitely works better on a smaller kayak.
Thanks for the input. I kind of suspected that might be the case. I planned on testing that on my PA12, but have not got around to sailing it, I hope to have a video on that in the near future.
@@saltwaterdawgoutdoors2190 I saw another company making sails for Hobie kayaks that were larger and would probably work better for a Pro Angler. The Hobie sail just isn’t big enough for a kayak as large as a Pro Angler. Also, the furling mechanism sold by Hobie sucks and is another source of frustration. All in all, a Pro Angler is best suited for fishing and not sailing.
Yes, if you can, please share source for larger sail. Another concern with sailing Pro Angler is if you were to capsize it would be much harder to upright.
Thank you for a helpful review! Where were you kayaking at? Looks like Florida, but not sure if Atlantic side (like Indian River Lagoon) or Gulf side, Tampa Bay area, etc.
Mine is the Point One, I looked on Lowrance's site just now and they give complete specs on point 1 and only general description on point 1 AP. So with your boat it might be a good idea to ask Lowrance for their recommendation.
I enjoyed your video. Regarding the Lowrance Point-1 unit your using, I see Lowrance has 2 options or unit models they sell. The Point-1 GPS and the Point-1 AP (Auto Pilot) GPS. Which unit may I ask are you using? My unit is a 16.5' Alum. boat with a Xi5 and Lowrance FS9 unit. I do a lot of trolling and want to create routes to auto pilot follow and want a more accurate gps.
My guess is the more expensive unit has autopilot built in and the cheaper AP model doesn't. So if you have a Lowrance graph you can use the AP model as your graph has autopilot software. The more expensive is for graphs without AP software , but that's only a guess. Hopefully Lowrance will clarify that@@johnkinslow3483
@@saltwaterdawgoutdoors2190 Another question if I may. Have you found a way or setting in you Lowrance unit to dampen the sudden directional change when following a route? Kind of scarry being almost thrown out of the boat.
not completely, especially with XI5 on my boat 36volt 100 plus lbs thrust. The XI3 12v on the kayak is not as abrupt. So far best solution is to set % power to moderate level. I rarely set to a speed for this reason. When controlling to a set speed the motor may use big corrections ( it wants to grade well on precision at the expense of smoothness. Anchor mode could throw somebody overboard or possibly flip a kayak. Also if your XI5 is circa 2019 they had a firmware problem that they now have an update for. Check motorguide website to download.
It's actually a Garmin Panoptix mount attached loosely to allow it to swivel while the motor is turning. It is used to raise the motor. The other cord runs thru a grommet below the release plate. Pull the cord it pulls the plate down to unlock for deployment or allow the panoptix cord to raise the motor when stowing.
Using the primary batteries (2 /50AH in parallel for 100AH) if you run at 70 to 75 % power should give 3.5 to four hours range . However things like speed mode can ramp the motor up to full power when fighting currents or weed fouled props which will raise the amp draw significantly shortening your range. I use the third house battery as a reserve for these concerns. For best results use 8 Gauge ( or thicker) wire with as clean and tight of connections as possible.
You are good man! Always learning from you. Looking to buy active target most likely will not pay for active target 2. Plan on running all of it of one unit elite FS for now. Would like to get my hands on hds live 12” but its lil out of my price range.
I was able to pickup ActiveTarget 1 from a good man off marketplace I learned to be extra careful there are allot of bad people out there trying to scam. I was trying to send you message but I cant find your contact email anywhere on your page. Now im on a mission to find either Carbon 12 Gen 3 or Live. I'm also looking into making my setup portable in order to be able use it on 3 of my vessels. Kayak, Gheenoe and jon boat.
Awesome video! Just installed one on my 2021 Hobie outback. Planning on taking it to saltwater every now and then. Was wondering how your motor is holding up in saltwater? And what do you do to keep it from corroding?
Freshwater washdown after each use. Also I bought a saltwater prop install kit, it contains an anode which will take the the electrolysis from the lower unit.
@@saltwaterdawgoutdoors2190 thanks! I just got a really good deal on a freshwater one so I went with it instead. I won’t be going to the salt as often. Maybe 3-4 times a year but I’ll definitely do a wash down. Would you mind sharing which saltwater prop you bought?
Yakattack MightyMount XL, 6" It also is available in 9in and 12in. I bought at Amazon (www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077YS8W5M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1#:~:text=to%20zoom%20in-,Yakattack%20MightyMount%20XL%2C%206%22,-%2C%20Includes%20Hardware
I plan on installing one on my 2022 Hobie PA12, I am still a little leary about getting to much water coming in from the drive mount opening. Doesnt look like you were getting a lot of water in on the floor of the kayak though.
What you saw relative to water on the floor is pretty normal if you have the mirage drive installed or the blank cassette plug. What little water comes in drains thru the the drive slot. The amount of water coming in can be adjusted by changing the depth of the motor. If you are getting a lot of water either raise or lower the motor.
Looks like an impressive setup. Very nice work. I would love to see the follow up video on how this system performed on the water. I have a PA14 with and Xi3 with a single Lowrance Elite FS9. Have not connected the Nema bus yet.
All this will work well on your PA14, the NMEA bus is easy and will allow your Elite FS to control your XI3, 2 Displays works well on a Pro Angler. I may drop back and punt, to one graph on the Outback. I'm in process cleaning up the install and hope to have a video soon. Thx
Hit by a Gust, sheeted out to control the boat, then back to adjusting heading and trim. Probably overreacted but demonstrating " self rescue" wasn't in the script
Thanks for the awesome video, I want to ask an important deciding factor in putting a trolly motor in my kayak. I want to put a 40 thrust trolling motor on the front of my 2016 Hobie outback. Do you think that I can put a small lithium 58ah battery in that front compartment and it’ll work just fine? The battery only weighs like 12 pounds. I really want to mount my trolling motor in the front. Any help would be greatly appreciate it. Thank you and God bless.
Two things you will need, first will be to fabricate a bow mounting plate that will fit a 2016 outback( the 2019 bow is similar but not quite the same). The concept of using the handle mounts with longer screws should work as well as drilling two larger mounting holes at the rear of the plate. You would then size the plate appropriate to the 2016 Bow shape and dimensions. Second part your battery should work but may be slightly undersized, so you may not want to run the motor at full throttle. Two batteries in an appropriate sized case in the rear tankwell might be better. Give it a shot, let us know how it worked!
I have a 2017 Outback which is the same as ‘16. I drew up a plan on cardboard how I want mine to look and I had my friend cut me one out of stainless steel i think we used 1/8”. Then i attached quick release bracket ran the cables to batteries in the back Im running 2 50ah for the trolling motor and small battery in the front for my Lawrence unit. I was going to make the mounting plate out of the white cutting board material. You will be fine with 40lb and battery up front
Your point about Garmin is well taken. Panoptix is considered the leader in this area. but, You have to understand this is part of a system that uses Lowrance chartplotters to interface with a motorguide XI3 trolling motor. We'll have to get it on the water and see how it performs. The results will be shared in future videos.
@@saltwaterdawgoutdoors2190 yea I wish they made it so brands "talked" to eachother. Humminbird has the best side scan and down scan it seems. Lowrance has its pluses too. It sucks you have to pick and choose and can't have the best of all 3. Hopefully the live target is better than the last time I looked at it. It was really bad with the stitching. Essentially it was multiple beams stitched on the screen and you could see the lines of all the beams. Best of luck to ya 👍.
I want a sail for my outback for when I go offshore but then again I don’t want to fish with a giant pole infront of me. Is it possible to stow the sail when not being used and reset back up when I need it ?
Using a sail offshore you would want to build a DIY furler so you could confidently furl the sail around the mast when fishing. I don't think it would be easy to unstep the mast and stow it when offshore in open water. Checkout this video from nasko films he has used a sail to fish offshore . Ask him the same question? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3mE_GGtdlCk.html
When I did mine I had to fabricate it myself as no one had a prefabbed one available at that time, If I were to start the project today , I would purchase the plate and hardware from oneobjectivebf.com. If you choose to make your own plate, I used the existing handle mounts upfront (just take the screws Hobie used go to hardware store match the size and thread and buy two screws that are 3/4 inch longer). For the rear mount I used 2 -1/4 20 stainless bolts with matching Lock nuts and 2 rubber spacers with fender washers. I will put a link to one objective in the description as that is probably the best way to go.
Nice review. On the newest version, they have revised the rear compartment for better stowage and added three rodholders (two aft, one facing forward).
Thank you for the instruction, recently acquired 2 outbacks, for me and my wife, first kayaks, the sail kits are on backorder. Hope to practice sailing this fall.
Hey, that"s great!!! Enjoy your Hobies, the Outbacks are a lot of fun and the hull performs well under all modes of propulsion.Consider a furler kit either Hobies or a DIY Furler.
Rick I have added a couple of links in the description above for a couple of good text books on basic sailing terms, techniques and concepts, studying either one along with a basic sailing course will get you off to a good start
The Salty is a Malibu PDL with the tank well reshaped to accommodate fishing. The current version Malibu PDL appears identical to the Salty. They are both good kayaks with decent stability but not quite as stable as the 2019 and later Hobie Outback. Particularly secondary stability on the Malibu is good but not as rock solid as the Hobie. I capsized the Malibu once, but to be honest I was being a smart ass leaning to the inside to lift the lower part of the drive to transition shallow water. When I came out of the creek into open water I got hit by both strong crosswind and wave. I was swimming before I knew what happened. Had I been operating the kayak in a sensible manner it would not have flipped. So all my fault not the Malibu.
@@saltwaterdawgoutdoors2190 thanks, i tried the Salty, did not like the primary or secondary stability, found a cheap Malibu nearby for sale, but i guess i ll pass on it if it s the same
Very cool video! Sounds like you know what you're doing. I bought an Outback recently to fish from, but I would really like to try sailing it. I don't have much experience except for sailing their catamaran's way back in the day.
Give it a try, your catamaran experience should transfer over well. Start with the sail kit and either a DIY furler or the one Hobie sells. Go out on moderate wind days and use the mirage drive to help tacking and if all else fails let the sail luff while you peddle back to shore. Mostly go out have fun the kayak sails a lot like a catamaran.
Thanks for making this video, I'm putting the xi3 saltwater on my gheenoe pretty soon. Ive got a 34# bps special on it right now and its not really doing it for me. Btw you have a great radio voice.
So I been slowly working on my project. Got the motor mount fabricated nice 1/8” stainless steel with quick attachment. Ran wires thru the haul to the front for nmea 2000 cable. Power cable ran to the center of the kayak since it came with hole for the wires. Gonna finish running to the back of the kayak today. I know you are running 3 50amh batteries. I have 2 50amh for the motor but since watching your video sounds like i need another battery for Lawrence and GPS.. question do you think I can get away with small battery lets say 20 or 30Amh? I have older model outback only 18” wide in the back. So i was going to run 3rd smaller battery up front.. let me know what you think. Thanks for the video
Good to hear your making good progress. In answer to your battery question your 2 50Ah batteries in parallel should be good. The smaller 10 to 20 AH battery for the Lowrance GPS and other items will be sufficient. Smaller battery will fit inside front hatch, many people secure it to the sail mast.
If your planning on LiFepo4 for the smaller battery, Chins has a nice inexpensive 20AH battery for cheap on Amazon or Ampere Time 10 AH for lower price
Just an update.. Chins great little battery amazon delivered same day I got it in the evening not sure why such special delivery. All the wiring is done and battery box completed. Today i will just add paracord ropes like you have to help lower and rise the motor. Wish i knew how to share pics with you. Thanks for all the help!
I 'm working on a reprocessed edit to improve the audio or do a voice over as suggested below. However it may be better to reshoot a separate teaching video in more appropriate conditions with a second camera on a chesty for the audio track.
Point taken, I need to improve my post production skills and this video would make a good starting point to practice and learn. Thanks I appreciate your input.
Absolute top 5 mph plus or minus 3, that's basically hull speed for the outback. At that power your drawing 45 amps ( + or -) and the battery system I use (2 x 50 AH LiFePo4 totaling 100 AH) will last 2 hours. Slow down to 70 to 75 % Speed will be 3.5 to 4 mph battery draw reduces to 25 to 30 amps and lasts 4 hous or more. Interesting concept is if you peddle along with 70 to 75 your speed will increase to 5mph + or - .3 MPH. I will be doing some long range proving runs using that method in the near future and have better data and a video soon.
it"s a 54" shaft set to a shallow depth. When the warranty expires I will cut it down to 36", not so it looks shorter but to allow it to stow completely when retracted.