@@sherrillraymond7595 "So because that "racist" announcer you mention in several of your messages said Duran was hurt, thats what you're goin with?.... Did you see the man wobble or do the chicken leg dance?......Did you at ANY time in the fight see Duran wobbles like Ray was in that 2nd round?!....NO you didnt. Look Sherrill, I respect loyalty, its my one of the human qualities I respect the most, but a person can take it too far.... Now if you really want to do this, then we can do this and I will point out the times during this fight Ray was visibly stunned, but you would be bringing a knife to a gun fight... I watched this fight LIVE....and Ive seen it many times before and after you were born more than likely. And I "know " both of these men. Ray boxed at the same gym I did on the DC/Maryland border, and Duran Im writing a book about. I hope you have a great weekend. Im out
Rematch was 6 months not 6 weeks, just for those who got confused when the guy said 6 weeks. He misspoke, but likely was thinking 6 months when he said 6 weeks.
I'll never understand double end bags that are this tight. Shane Mosley, Dmitry Bivol, Floyd Mayweather, are all examples of the tension that i find most useful. DEB's are tools to improve your reaction, timing, accuracy, and some other things. One of my favorites is the Winning SB-9000 without gloves or handwraps. I'm in the minority for this, i know...
NO, thanks for playing, there's some lovely parting gifts behind door # 3, but WRONG. He didnt get notice he was even fighting Ray till 45 days "BEFORE " the rematch......AT that time he was almost 200 LBs...Leonard KNEW this, as did "EVERYONE ELSE" in the boxing world, that at that age Duran was really blowing up in weight between fights.
But if you do same day weigh ins fighters won't be able to cut that much weight or they'll have to fight too diminished to perform .I like that solution
Duran couldn't get to him and got annoyed and quit like a little baby. If he couldn't bully his opponent, he didn't want to play. He took his money and went home. He's one of the worst sportsman in the game. He isn't a gracious winner and he isn't a gracious loser. No class at all. In fact, he doesn't even deserve being called a sportsman.
So tired of the excuses being made. Let’s cover a few things here… 1. Duran knew when their next fight was, it’s not Sugar Rays fault. There was literally 5 months between both fights. Smh 2. Duran expected to give Leonard a beating but didn’t expect Leonard to move as much as he did. He got embarrassed and knew by the 7th round there was no way he was going to win the fight, so he QUIT. 3. Every time I turn around there’s a new excuse from someone else on why Duran quit. 🙄🙄🙄
WRONG,1 Duran wasnt in the "shape" to cut off the ring like he did in their first fight and Ray was going to stick and move. Ray has said in print that his plan was to catch Duran out of shape.....Period...If he was so sure he was better, than WHY did he make Duran wait 4 YEARS for their rubber match ?! Duran was betrayed by his own management, who signed the fight and "committed" Duran to the fight without telling him, giving him 45 days to lose 47 LBs. I know this because I heard it from promoter Jim Jacobs and Duran has come out and said this many times recently. Last sunday I met Roberto for the 2nd time and his daughter and son for an article or perhaps a book on Duran
God gifted right and skilled But without Victor given them those steroids they ain’t sht Only good till you step up your level of opposition and then get beat up Get this fking guy out of boxing and everywhere in the sports industry
YUP, like Hector says, Duran trained for almost "5" months for the first fight w/ Ray. He was so chiseled and his cardio and overall motivation was the highest it had been since the rematch w/ DeJesus ! But, Here's a part of the story NO ONE has heard but Jim Jacobs, me and a few others, Roberto and Felicidad among them obviously...Jesus I hope I dont get killed for sayin all this..Its been YEARS man....OK, here goes. I used to buy and trade fight films w/ Jimmy as he had at that time the most comprehensive boxing library in existence. I bought some old fight films from Jim and we talked on the phone a few times, but I had never "met" him yet. Jim was a "Class Act", a true gentleman in an unsavory world, and was respected by everyone. He helped Mike Tyson out a lot at one point and was universally loved, seriously...So anyway I find out he's in town and Im looking to get some old films of Olivares and he winds up coming to one of my gigs so we end up meeting in person in California. The band goes on break I sit down with Jimmy and the conversation turns inevitably to the subject of Roberto Duran. And we both agree he's the best light weight ever which sets the stage for our next dialogue, which was via telephone almost a decade later. This is what Promoter and a legend himself Jim Jacobs told me concerning that rematch with Ray. I will never forget it because, like I said, Jim "knew" I was a Duran fan from the old days, so he relished the conversation, and he told me Duran wept in the limo on the way to the airport after the rematch because he "KNEW" he hadnt been prepared and he KNEW "why".... So this is what Jacobs told me that night. Jim said that Duran literally had to take diuretics' and train in a rubber corset to make weight for the 2nd fight w/ Ray. He made "weight" but as they say "it wasnt GOOD weight"..... and here's what very few know....Duran's wife had a gambling issue and "they" , Roberto and his wife had an arrangement"...she didnt press him about his affairs and he didnt press her about her gambling... And thats how their marriage worked "at that time"....Anyway, Ray decides to fight Duran again and catch him out of shape because any real fight fan and fighter KNEW Duran at that stage of his life "blew up" after a big fight... Anyway, and Duran had blown up to 190+ before their 2nd fight. What Jimmy told "ME" was that Roberto's wife was into the mob and they were starting to press him for the $.So Eleta decides w/ Don King to make this money and of course this would help Duran out at the same time, and thats "WHY" the fight went down like it did. He told Freddie Brown to stop the fight after the 5th round because Duran "knew" he was unable to cut off the ring like he did in their first fight, because he was outta shape AND Ray was a lot more elusive then in their first fight, and Duran did NOT want to get embarrassed. He told Freddie Brown to "stop it" but Brown refused saying "The money's already in a bank in Panama, we'll never get out of here alive if we stop it" You beat Lou Bizzarro when you had diarrhea", and Roberto replied "this isnt Lou Bizzarro"! Duran fought the 6th and 7th and then when he returned to his corner again asked Brown to stop it and when he refused Duran said "if you dont stop the fight I will quit in the middle of the ring and then YOU can think of something to tell the world" Duran, the DURAN that beat Ray in Montreal, who trained for 4 and 1/2 months and was in such shape he came in 2 LBs "under" the welter limit, THAT Duran beats any welter alive at that time, including Hearn's. ANYONE ! ps. I have NO agenda here other than the truth and I will most likely erase this soon because it makes me nervous to repeat this shit on account I dont feel like gettin shot, but I SWEAR on all things Sacred AND Un-holy, THIS is what Jim said to me that night some 30 + years ago ! Perhaps Jim embellished some things, I cant say. It certainly wasnt like him to be anything but honest and dependable. Jim sadly passed away from leukemia some time ago but he was known as an honest, integral man in a shitty business and like I said, everyone liked him.Ask Iron Mike about Jim Jacobs, or Teddy Atlas.....or anyone who was around and is still alive who knew Jim.... Anyway, thats it Peace everyone, salud Roberto Duran !
This is what ray wanted to do. Lie to himself and trick the naive dumb public into thinking he can beat Duran. When leanard knows he cannot. Durand team stabbed Duran in the back by signing the match behind his back and pocketed $2mill even tho they knew Duran was not ready. Boxing is a shady business. Duran didn’t even agree to the rematch but had no choice. He would lose his belt and the money. So he took it by force
Leanard bought the belt from duran. Duran didn’t want to let that type of money go. So he took the match even tho he wasn’t ready or in shape. Instead of losing to ray as he was paid to lose. Duran said nope I am not guna make myself look weak infront of everyone when he knows he’s better than Ray. So he just quit. That made him look worse tho which he found out later. Boxing is a dirty business and rigged and crooked just like american government. But at the end of the day Duran is better than ray obviously
Duran is and was better than sugar Ray. He beat him the first match. Then second match Roberto didn’t want that rematch that early, he wasn’t ready or training, he wasn’t hungry anymore, he wasn’t mad anymore, and that’s why he quit. Rather than losing to a guy he knows he’s better than
I wonder how many focus on learning gladiatorial prowess both camps have increased ? There are too many talking going on. How do clean record athletes tangle with Victor Conte ? That is like a Day Care knowingly hiring a [ convicted sex offender ].
