The omen lady might be grandma! Like marikas mother or whatever her progenitor would be. Idt shes marika but its definitely giving related. I agree morgott and mohgs omen nature had to come from somewhere so maybe its like a recessive trait so both Marika and Horah Loux had some omen blood becusse theyre from the land/time of the primordial erd tree and their first kids were omen blessed/cursed. Then horah loux became Godfrey with grafting (lets say elden ring gene therapy) and marika and godfreys following kids were "normal." So "she" is either marikas mom, or maybe one of marikas siblings. Certainly central to the development of warring factions in the lands between. Idk marika might center her golden perfection and her omen sis/family resent her for it so marika began to worhsip & center gold (thus inherently casting shadow) and shifting the neutrality of the lands between (i think the lands between are more a metaphysical place/sacred realm) towards "order" which inherently includes things valued & things shunned: light v shadow, order v crucible, immortality/pausing of nature v. Life cycle/natural progress.
I think you're on to something with Daedicar's Woe. We know Tanith is from a foreign land, we see masks like hers and the Morais in the gameplay trailer, and the woman crouching in the story trailer clutching a twisting spear or banner looks like she's wearing a similar headpiece. It's not too much of a stech to think that Rykard took multiple consorts from the land of shadow, and that he specifically looked for ones rejected by the Golden Order
I am so glad that 'lore to sleep to' became a thing. Long form relaxing storytime is my absolute favorite. Moxie thank you so much for making this, I know long form content takes so much more work than standard short form videos. Can't wait to fall asleep to this tonight.
I believe the woman in the chrysalis is most likely Louise. If I had to put a 2nd guess, I would say Lucy. I would say Lucy is far less likely because she caused a void-out and I'm not sure someone who causes a void-out could even be recovered from the beach. Hideo-san has real special ability with foreshadowing and accelerated aging was mentioned by Deadman at the end of DS1 due to Sam having spent so much time on the beach. We know that Louise, aka Lou, was killed or Sam is at least hinting at that when speaking to Higgs later in the trailer. Fragile's ship has the ability to travel to and from beaches. I believe they eventually found Lou in the chrysalis and brought her onto the ship. The woman being Lou also seems likely due to the octopus like markings on her arm and the same octopus tentacles being seen in the BB tank. When finising DS1, I went back to look at all the cutscenes and dialogue. It's truly incredible how many times they out right tell you what was happening and give you very direct clues in regards to the truth about Bridget, Amelia, Higgs, Cliff, BB-28, and everyone else in the world. I really recommend everyone go back and check them out.
Goddess Moxie! am starting to think, Marika (the Human Numen Womb-Man, not the Myth MariXa) had a liaison with a warrior knight of the dark souls named Hoarah Lux (Ra and Lux both relay to Light). There was a conception resulting from their union that the powers that be did not approve of. HuMarika broke the manipulative "order" control, was found and forced into a secretive Veil of lies from which she tried to hexcape from but Her plan didn't unfold as intended, resulting in her getting perma ban-vanished into Shadowlands and a MarikaMyth being created, which from then on would serve as narration down to the level of the voices echoing in the item descriptions. to cover up the Lux baby drama, they were made into a story retold as evangelic "Godfrey" and his Serosh shadow could be a twinflame aspect of Maliketh, Maliketh as a valve from eso- to exoteric and Serosh doing the oppawsite, moving energy external to the inner Geist. the Shattering describes whatever complications arose from the faithed birth. this is neither here nor there but i am REALLY looking forward to your Stormveil castle vessay ❤🔥 you're such a rad human, may my cuntributions grow to your production level eventually🙏 i luv u 🐲🚬
Your pacing and production values for this video were magnificent! The camerawork definitely stood out in its vibrant portrayal of the relevant scenery, and you kept finding new ways to show the imagery so the visuals wouldn't get stale. While I believe that the "greattree" is the product of a mistranslation and that there's only the Erdtree, your theories that the winding tree might be a parallel that Marika tried to separate out are interesting. While the image of a "second" Elden Ring beneath the known one is intriguing, I doubt that Marika split the Elden Ring in half. If Marika only wanted power, then she'd have no reason to pass up having what would essentially be two Elden Rings, and we know from Maliketh's experience that any Great Runes she disliked had to be disposed of in different ways. Furthermore, the arrangement of Great Runes in the Farum Azula mural actually matches the depiction seen on the road tiles throughout the Lands Between, possibly implying an artistic effect. With how Miyazaki has stated that the Land of Shadow exists in the same time as the Lands Between and was sundered from it, I believe that it might have been moved from the physical, conventional world into a different dimension, like an Evergaol or akin to Phase 2 Rennala and the Elden Beast's boss arenas. If the Land of Shadow physically overlaps with the Lands Between, and if it's located in the area where a bay exists on the main map, then the spiritual graves' existence is quite peculiar. There are no apparent physical graves in the Lands Between where the bay is located, so the sites seen in the Land of Shadow lack counterparts. Because of this, the presence of the ethereal tombstones could indicate a physicality to the Land of Shadow, even if the location is tied to a spiritual plane. If the two dimensions have some overlap, per the space on the map and the Divine Towers possibly being the anchors for the veils, then the Erdtree may exist in both realms at once. The winding tree might be hidden from the Lands Between just as the Land of Shadow is, and that could explain why both the Erdtree and the central tree in the Land of Shadow look so similar and have the same lean. The fact that specific branches of the winding tree are seemingly trying to squeeze the Erdtree's sap out implies that the plan isn't to help the Erdtree, and the bizarre basin tower suggests that someone has been planning to harvest this ill-gotten sap for a while. While Messmer certainly likes wielding fire, I don't think he's utilizing the Flame of Ruin. We can observe the Giants' Flame both against the Fire Giant and through the Tarnished's own incantations, and the visuals lack any black, thorn-like elements. Messmer's flame also seems to have pronounced crackling and smeared patterns, as seen when he attacks in the DLC trailer. We potentially observe the Giants' Flame again when Melina uses herself as fuel to burn the Erdtree, and this too has a distinct appearance from Messmer's fire. As for the Seat of the Sun, the design on the Sun Realm Shield might help place its location. The outer walls of the city have an elevated walkway running beneath the battlements, and the windows are so tall that they might begin from the floor. The only structures in the game that resemble this design are Leyndell's outer walls, which sport similar elevated walkways with tall windows beneath the battlements. The Sun Realm's buildings also have what appear to be oversized merlons fashioned like the points of a crown, unlike Farum Azula's outer walls and interior structures. The only place that might match this imagery is Stormveil Castle, with its spiky golden parapets upon parapets built by exiles from Altus Plateau. The particular shapes of the merlons partially resemble Godfrey's crown and the crown collars of the Erdtree Burial Watchdogs. This might imply that Marika wasn't concerned with splitting the Sun Realm away from the greater world or erasing its artistic culture. Also, while the Sun Realm Shield is dropped from undead in Farum Azula, the Jar Shield states that the beastmen have always used ceramics to create their shields. As such, the shields might have been brought to the city by exiled soldiers sent to guard the path to Maliketh a la the Banished Knights found up there, only for these soldiers to be killed and robbed by the beastmen. Also, if the Sun Realm was Farum Azula, it would be odd for the people living in the city to create such an inaccurate depiction of the place. As for the Elden Beast's design, I think the wound on its torso doesn't visually match anything seen in the game, so it was probably caused by Marika shattering the Elden Ring or in a subsequent battle before she was defeated. I also wonder if the Elden Beast was once entirely golden, but the injuries it received went beyond just a torso wound, causing it to lose its golden coating everywhere except for its tail. This could be paralleled by the Erdtree, which is generally golden on the outside but is revealed to have brown, wooden bark on its branches when fiercely burned. Regarding the Elden Beast's nature, I see it more as a guardian like the Shadows. If a god tries to outright destroy the Elden Ring, particularly if the relevant Shadow is absent or would otherwise be ineffective, the Elden Beast might intervene to preserve the Order. If the Elden Beast could control a god, then Maliketh would have been unnecessary once Marika claimed the Elden Ring, and several events in the game's backstory may have been unable to occur. Also, as a major Legend of Zelda fan myself, I don't agree with the assessment that a kami/god can't wield tremendous power in a human form. The Golden Goddesses created that series' universe and the Triforce, and the later character Hylia also appears to have been very humanoid before incarnating as Zelda. There's another reason I think the Elden Beast guards the Elden Ring rather than *being* the artifact. Upon defeating foes in Elden Ring, they tend to return to their true forms: Godrick loses all of his grafted limbs and only his core remains; the false Gowries are revealed to be Kindred of Rot; the commoner transformed into Margit at the Capital Outskirts returns to normal; etc. If the Elden Beast transformed into the Elden Ring, then the Elden Beast would stay in its original form at the Stone Platform after the fight, and the Great Runes would just meld into its body. Instead, the Elden Ring still exists as the Elden Ring. With this in mind, it's possible that the golden star is what became the Elden Ring, not the Elden Beast itself. That would allow for the Elden Ring to still exist upon the Elden Beast's defeat, and for mending the Elden Ring to not raise the question of whether that would revive the Elden Beast. A revived Elden Beast could make the fight feel arbitrary, or maybe even jeopardize several endings if the final boss reappears in the setting with even more power thanks to the returned Great Runes. Thanks again for the video! It was a very enjoyable experience. Sorry that this comment wound up longer than I expected it to be.
This is the most delightful collaboration. Thank you Moxie for bringing all of these wonderful creators together to make such a wonderful viewing experience.
I believe the Uterus pose is really a hint about the land of shadows. It is where Marika first set foot, it is the land where things are born. Being divest of "gold" is being divested of everything you became in the world, to return to the land of shadow is to return anew. The land of shadow is not only a womb, but is the primordial soup. A place where Crucibles, Omens and the likes are celebrated and I believe Miquella's ambitions in the lands between carries this tradition. He has some business in the realm where it all began and we, the tarnished, becoming Elden Lord or not, are trivial in his endeavor.
What if this lady, the lion dancers and probably other bosses on the DLC are just actors or theater performers? Their 'costumes' seems to be impersonating other characters, and their boss fight could be like a play or dramatization of characters and past events that took place on the shadow lands. That's the vibe I'm getting with all the shown NPCs wearing masks, their poses and a lot of "dancing" symbolism going on both on this image and the previous gameplay trailer
If those are actual horns both this lady and the lion dancers are similar to Morgott and Mohg, since the horns are concentrated on their heads and not their whole bodies like the other Omen... These people might have more control/knowledge over the crucible influence or they are of a royal or pure lineage it seems. They don't seem to have any wings, tails or the more chaotic aspects of the "impure/cursed" Omen in the Lands Between, but their skin, body and limbs definitely look similar
Yeh, i been thinking about the walking mausoleums a lot lately. "The eclipsed sun drained of color is the protective star of the souless demigod, which keeps destined death at bay" at bay- is a term used bc dog barks keeping something away then theres the fact that both maliketh & blaidd are both dogs and are shadowbound. hmmmmmmmmmm
Getting real Marika vibes about this one! The weapons looks like the swirls behind her statues. Has the iconic hole through the abdomen that many characters have and the pose really points towards a woman. It's interesting that the mask could be on her head and a horrific half omen face could be revealed. She has the same kind of cloak as the golden lineage aswell. Fun that you went in the Marika direction too! We have never seen her move in game and the petrified form we see might just be an empty vessel for the Elden ring while she's in the shadow realm.
@@moxiewatts She did mention that she wanted to be beside Godwyn when he returns, what if they are both together in the Land of Shadow. The mask on the Being/Creature kinda looks like ‘D’s but broken in half, D’s brother kills Fia, and Fia kills D, I’m not sure but what if that two plays into wherever Fia and D went after dying to Death Root or being around Death Root. What if the Land of Shadow is like some sort of interpretation of HELL or Hades or the Abyss, & certain spirits end up there when killed a certain way or if they were crooked individuals. I could be reaching I know, but that’s the whole fun of theorizing. One incantation we get is Fia’s mist too, and it is a black like mist which is death.
hmmm...yeah it do be seeming like that. do you think the land of shadow has its own elden ring or like its own order? there's definitely some *WAR WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR* vibes going on
Is this Godwyn the ‘Golden’s’ funerary mask? Such masks are designed to connect to/ emulate the deceased in the spirit world (smoke). I think the mask entity controls a dead/ grey reanimated body, housing a fusion of the demigod souls from the Wandering Mausoleums. A grafting of souls, if you will. The Chinese Lion beast might similarly be a mask- controlled, grafted abomination?
