Saxophonist, Educator, and Conn-Selmer Artist/Clinician. Videos on this channel range from my own performance to education content and product reviews. Enjoy!
----------- Prof. of Saxophone - Lone Star College - Montgomery Conn-Selmer Artist/Clinician Director - Montgomery Saxophone Day Site Coordinator - The Young Saxophonist's Institute
MM - Georgia State University 2016 BM - Sam Houston State University 2014 AA - Lone Star College - Kingwood 2011
I have a series 2, from 2006, and although the supreme is a top instrument, for me it doesn't justify the difference of more than 2000 usd for the series 2. I also have a Mark 7 from 1980 and I certainly wouldn't trade it for a Supreme, but tastes can't be discussed.
As a series II player myself, I really hope yours is in bad need of a service because the tonal difference is a little devastating! (And I could never afford a Supreme)
My saxophone is a Glory student model, (like 200 on amazon). The side keys (Bb, C, E) are just plain strait. Do not buy this sax I've had it one year and I'm already looking for a replacement lol
Thanks a lot, very interesting! I just changed from series II to supreme. What I think: intonation on supreme is much better from alone 😊and sound is more warm and a little bit fuller.
As a classically trained saxophonist (that was the only program my university offered) I think all classical saxophonist sound the same despite the horn they play, you hear one, you’ve heard them all. Jazz players have a much bigger range of tonal differences and much more beautiful tones that have character and vocal qualities.
The right side palm keys are slanted like that on my late model King Zephyr tenor, ca. 1970. I like that and the fact that it cost about 1/6 as much a new Selmer. I like the low left side palm keys. Not a key-riser guy. I do not bend my fingers as much as you. I would say the Zeph is a perfect sax except for the pinky table, particularly the low C# key touch, which is small and stiff. When I owned both it and a Mark VI, I kept going back to the Zephyr for its big sound.
The slanted side keys took a little getting used to but I like them now. A lot of the newer Yamahas have side keys that slant upwards rather than downwards!
That would be a great video..need to get my hand on a Reference 54. I played the Kookaburra model once and wasn't a huge fan. It played fine but just wasn't quite the sound I typically like. I'm not a big jazz player, but I've heard mixed things from them on the Supreme. Some people really like but it can be a little constricting tonally so some jazz players are not fans. As always, it comes down to personal preference.
Thank you, Reese. Very helpful comparison! I have a Series II Jubilee and just purchased a Supreme. It’s not taken me too long to adjust to the Supreme, which is good.
And on a side note, I thought of this comment again the other day. One of my students owns a Series III and the octave mechanism is the same as the Supreme. So I'd imagine that the switch from the Jubilee II to the Supreme is probably not as drastic as it would be from an older II.
@@rburganmusic I absolutely love it, Reese. You're right that the transition from the Series II (Even the Jubilee) is tougher than from the Series III. I took the Supreme to Matt Hess for a tune-up yesterday, as I bought the demo horn used at the JEN conference. He thought it was in really great shape, so I'm encouraged.
@@rburganmusic it has, and i fell in love with it. it reminds me of the ex in many ways, but maintains the “selmer sound” if that makes any sense. overall improvements are the low notes, ive never had a horn that had such a responsive low range and high range. the tuning in the supreme is certainly a lot better than the ex.
@Ashton Stewart how do you like your supreme so far? I am thinking to get supreme or series 2. Some people bash the supreme and dont like the sound of it.
@@op14435 i personally love it, i get hate for it by my peers as well. if you’re in high school for reference, i know it’s the player and not the horn but i got first part in the state of florida on it, so it obviously sounds good if a good player is using it. sorry it’s a ramble but if you play it and like how you sound that’s ultimately what matters most :)
@Ashton Stewart thanks. I was thinking between supreme vs series ii. Im trying to get back into playing. I played back in the day probably for like 10years but never on a selmer.
Really interesting video, every day I’m leaning more and more torwards buying a supreme (from my custom82zii) I’d say Yamaha wins in the intonation of the low range, but they are doing great things with this horn. A bell ring or mute whatever you want to call it will fix that either way lol.
@@rburganmusic Nice, I play on a custom 82zii and have for a while, I’ve been planning on really trying out some selmers, (I play both classical and jazz) to compare them. How do you like the supreme as apposed to the II, and if you’ve tried any other selmers or Yamahas, feel free to compare those, or tell me what you prefer lol
@@keananok I actually have a whole other video that really dives into the difference between the Series II and the Supreme, but long story short I love the Supreme. My Series II is from 1996 so it's a huge jump forward for me in terms of tone and intonation. I like the Yamaha Custom series, they put out some great saxes! I just prefer the tone of the Selmer saxes, and I think the Supreme is extremely sensitive and flexible in terms of tone, while somehow not sacrificing the core of its sound. At least it is more so than my II. If I had to pick something other than Selmer, it'd be the Yamaha Custom EXII with the V1 neck.
@@rburganmusic Wow. Thanks for this. I know the supreme is expensive, but I’ll have to think more into this. From your description I’d think I’d like the supreme a lot. I know a lot of pretty virtuosic players are switching to them in both jazz and classical. I really like the V1 neck as well, my custom z came with one but I also tried a G1.
@@keananok I need to correct myself here. I'm using the Supreme in this video. When I replied earlier I thought I had recorded this video on my Series II but now I just double checked and this is indeed the Supreme.
I agree, intonation is much improved. I think the extreme ranges of the supreme (pinky/palm keys) are a tiny bit more resistant than on my Series II. However, I like that because I feel like there is naturally more body to the sound of the palm keys. At least that’s what I’m hearing. Now that I’ve been playing it for a few months I’m not noticing a difference in feel low to high - it’s likely I learned some voicing habits for my old horn that I’m unlearning because they are no longer necessary. Long story short, the Supreme just plays!
@@rburganmusic this is a great review - - I just watched it again. I can hear the difference in the intonation on your left hand above the G. I play an R54 and I am particularly a jazz player who used to be an avid classical player. The R54 is very warm so i’m really interested at how this thing plays. I also have a R36 tenor with a R54 neck- what an amazing combination. It’s definitely the best tenor set up I’ve ever played and that includes the Mk VI’s I own. I haven’t played the supreme and I’m definitely going to take my R54 alto down there and r e a l l y compare it- again, a great video.
Thanks Reese for the great in depth review. Nice playing. Even on my mobile phone I could hear a difference. I thought there was more presence in the sound of the Supreme. I can’t wait until the Tenor version is released. Does anyone have any predictions as to when? 😊
Thank you! My guess would be that we’re still probably a year or so away. I was told that a decade of R&D went into the alto, and there’s no telling how supply chain disruptions have messed up Selmer’s timeline.
Thanks for covering the ergonomics and intonation with that display. Some things I would of liked to see covered is the amount of adjustments that could be done, quality of construction, material thickness difference if any, metal composition, robustness of construction - really all the things that can justify the high price. NB: I never understood why the octave key are usually so high. (On another instrument such as violin 1mm difference is noticeable difference 😀)
I will say that the quality of the construction is top-notch. It comes with metal resonators by default and plays straight out of the case. Naturally, you’d want to take to a tech to set it up anyways as shipping can cause these instruments to fall out of adjustment. Now that I’ve been playing for a bit I’m noticing the felts under the left hand stack are moving from their default position, but that’s not a big deal as any tech can repair that quickly with no problem. Other than that, I haven’t had any issues with the construction of the instrument. If I knew the composition of the metal, which I don’t, I’d probably be legally obligated not to share! I think it’s worth the price they charge but I know some will disagree. To each their own.
@@rburganmusic Thanks for your replay. Good to hear. It seems there is a long waiting list. I wonder if taper of the conical bore is less compared to other models to improve intonation? Or maybe a combination of taper, tone whole size and placing, pad height. Are there even any differences in taper across models and manufacturers, if so, by how much? What specifically makes intonation better from one model to the next? That's enough questions 😀
@@zeniktorres4320 it’s a complex topic for sure. I think the taper of the neck is a major factor. I put the Supreme neck on my series II and intonation was much improved. The series II neck on the Supreme made the intonation much worse.
The side keys on my Reference 54 are 100% perpendicular to the body. The E key also doesn't have that curve at the top, it's a completely straight key just like the other two
@@rburganmusic I'm surprised it's different on the tenor! Both the alto and tenor mark VI (which they're modelled after) have the same thing I have from what I can see in pictures online. Photos of the tenor 54 do look different from my horn. Another thing I noticed is that the chromatic F# key is an oval on the tenor, but on my alto it's round. Again something where the alto follows the VI design while the tenor does not.
@@robbertzzzzz interesting. Yes, coming from my Series II, I felt like the tenor reference 54 matched that configuration almost exactly (except for the front F key)
Thanks for the info! I have a few students who have the Yamaha Custom EX II and after making this video I looked at their side keys too. The EX slants the opposite way, with the side Bb key being the highest off the body. Interesting stuff!
You are correct, that neck definitely affects the tone quality and intonation very much. I would be curious to hear how the Series III neck behaves on the Supreme as well. I've heard of players using a III neck on their Series II and experiencing improvement..my suspicion is that the Supreme is not backwards-compatible in that regard.
Nice job in comparison. Honestly I heard no difference. For you I’m sure it’s the weight and ergonomics, but sound wise I didn’t hear a noticeable difference.
Great job Reese, I enjoyed your more conversational style for this comparison. There’s no going back now, the Supreme does great things for your sound! 👍
Thanks for the comment! I would say that store is probably about an hour or so away from Galveston. It’s located in north west Houston inside the 610 loop.