@@arkriz349 the fact that you have to ask, is what makes it better than Comma hardware imho: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RPP-q7PxAI0.htmlsi=h6Ip_HemILgfcFzU If you’re asking about my POV DJI camera, it’s suctioned on driver side window.
looks like they moved away from the flush design that you had in favor of cross compatibility across multiple cars and are sticking it onto the windshield... It is still small and I wonder if they will offer shells that will look integrated or not...ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pq0Et_DCz04.htmlsi=WoQLHfwpeGL8Upw1&t=625
@@leungjeffrey94 thanks for bringing this to my attention! I’m excited to try this out and see how far up it can be installed. Despite not being a part of the clamshell, it might still have the same low profile to reduce obstruction of the view.
@@theclueguy3388 I will try to see about repairing my broken Comma Three. Since having a Comma Two that died, and now a dead Comma Three, it’s a bit harder to swallow paying a company for hardware that I no longer have confidence in. Epilog told me they are revising their hardware, and would rather put my dollars to that if I can.
@@theclueguy3388 if I was in the same financial position as I was when I purchased the Comma Two and Comma Three, I would take the hit buying Comma’s inferior hardware, since it would be “play money”. But since it’s no longer “play money” to me, I can be content using the stock TSS2.0 for now; which honestly does well enough for dedicated highway driving assist, of which I’m thankful for. What car do you have?
@@bryan.deleonsorry to hear about your broken comma 2 & 3. I live in a very hot States & my x3 is always overheating & has to get cooled by the AC before it starts working. I'm afraid it might get broken too.
@@ralfosha_x I would suggest buying the long USBC cable directly from Comma; with that, you can slide it out and put it away without wearing out the weak USBC port on the unit. I always brought my unit back into the house because I was constantly trying new forks/models/etc.
How is Epilog Sidecar controlled, with a smartphone or a magic wand? Where are the driving recommendations and warnings displayed? Is it compatible with Android Auto? What is the software platform? Is it a modification of Openpilot or something else? How is the model evolving and knowledge accumulated?
Are the first happy buyers already known, who would unpack and use the final product of Epilog Sidecar on video. I came across a discussion that this is a "fraudulent company collecting money from enthusiasts", a finished product from real buyers could dispel some of the doubts. I have a Honda with right-hand drive, so for now the Comma 3x is the only option out of the existing ones, but Epilog offers to invest in them and a 50% discount on a future product the size of a DVR
@@sunduckjo SideCar is currently revising their product (hopefully with my suggestions), and I have sent my unit back to them already. I haven’t given them money, just my time and effort to make videos.
With your permission, I will use an automatic translator and post your video on channel? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sWEg88bl_C8.htmlsi=kt8vWeZAWKc58bZ1
If Epilog Sidecar makes a molded plastic case for each specific model, then for my Honda Freed I will never get an autopilot from them (((. It’s possible that in the prototype they left a lot of space inside, but for production I would make a smaller case
@@zabbixstudent8041 I never unplugged after installing it, and only took it off when Epilog requested the unit. My Comma Two and Comma Three used to kill my car battery, and it made me worried enough to install a solar panel on my hood to trickle charge my car’s 12v battery (not the hybrid packaged battery) - especially when camping. Sorry of that does not help lol
@@ralfosha_x my Rav4 Hybrid has two batteries. The 12v which essentially just turns on the electronics, and the traction battery which is the one handling starter motor, lights, etc. The 12v is what also powers Comma, and it might be too weak. I have a solar panel that trickle charges it for camping, so I don’t have the issue anymore. I hear FrogPilot might be better than SunnyPilot now but I don’t know since I don’t have a working Comma device lol github.com/FrogAi/FrogPilot github.com/sunnypilot/sunnypilot
Does upgrading the ssd and using sunnypilot affect the ability for comma connect to read drives/videos? I upgraded the drive using your a video a while ago and now noticed that none of my drives are accessible through commaconnect nor spektors toolkit.
@@josephyang3260 Before my Comma Three died, it still connected with Comma servers fine using default software - but I did notice that using Forks (not just Sunnypilot) changed many behaviors, compared to default software. Install default software to rule out the SSD. If the behaviors are different, ask the author of the a Fork about it.
@@tannerbleakley5397 FYI, OpenPilot is now available for my Model 3: shop.tinkla.us And I would still not install it. Autopilot was free in my Model 3, and I’m not paying $1600+ to glue a cell phone on my windshield for OpenPilot! For $1600 I could have FSD for 16 months instead of $1600 of OpenPilot and then the comma device dying in the same time frame lol If it’s anything but a Tesla, then it’s a different conversation.
@@HazzaALshamsi-sg4jy I would argue that Toyota’s without “security key” are the vehicles with the most rounded OpenPilot experience. HGK platforms get a lot of praise, but I keep reading about disabled emergency braking systems and poor braking behaviors; but they seem to have the most “potential”. All in all, buy a a car you want - with or without OpenPillot. I’ve experienced my Comma Two and Comma Three dying, but still like owning and using my RAV4.
Great video! Thanks for posting. Question -- do you think some of the speed issues (going too slow, etc) would be alleviated by using Comma Prime directly instead of the hotspot and Mapbox integrations?
No. They pull the speed data from the same source - Open Street Maps. Edit: I just re-read your question - in stock form with Comma Prime, the speed OpenPilot chooses is based on e2e training; it doesn't care about posted speed limits since it decides how fast it wants to go based on what it sees in the current scene. Also note, Comma has removed Navigate on Openpilot in their software due to low performance - good choice imho lol
Mr One plans to make a decoupled device. I may purchase one when he does. I really think the best thing about comma are the forks. FP and SP forks are just so good now. BTW I did the west coast road trip last week with my c3x, so we may have passed each other. Doing HWY 1 in far NorCal, mapped based turn slow down is a must. Came back on the 5 and that was straight enough that slow downs were mostly not needed.
@@Bob-gt1mq I wonder where MrOne got the inspiration to try GMSL cameras a few weeks after my SideCar unboxing video? 😜 [Jokes of course] But I definitely brought up MrOne and even Gutek to follow suit in that video or other, and still hoping they do. Honestly after trying out forks all these years and even using FSD Beta, I didn’t feel like missing anything on my road trip to Canada with SideCar. Clear expectations and no surprises - I’m in my boomer phase now lol But glad to hear you’re having fun tinkering!
@@Bob-gt1mq Yeah I got wind of that offer, but I would try paying Erich before going that route. I believe I saw photo of him repairing USBC ports at one point - I still suspect that’s my same issue.
@@user-openpilot-frogpilot I was actually buying one of those, but I'd rather prefer sidecar for its simplicity and the less bulky hardware. I'll end up buying a comma 3 in case epilog is not able to ship in a month or so
Hi again. Hope that you enjoyed that long trip and said farewell to Epilog. Might as well re-title this video Epilog ASMR Edition. If you ever manage to buy your own unit, what else would you suggest regarding improvements or fixes? You seemed satisfied in previous videos. Don't wanna be that guy again, but you still haven't gotten back to my questions about playing immersive sims games previously. 0:47: Dem french fries tho'.
@@tonyc.0451 In&Out is peak fast food indeed! Regarding improvements, I think my feelings are still the same, and they are minute; 1) I would love to see injections molding instead of the 3D printing. 2) implementation of follow distance change That’s it so far. Regarding sims, I’ve been playing some racing sims, does that count?!
@@bryan.deleon I think that you did mention mold scarring that happens with 3D printing in one of your previous Epilog videos. For immersive sims, I was thinking of first or third-person games that have great stories and RPG mechanics that let you upgrade characters. The game's story would progress depending on your actions and dialogue choices. Two recent examples are Dishonored and Prey. Hope that you heard of them, at least. I *DID* briefly try out Gran Turismo 7, if you must know.
@@tonyc.0451 oh that kind of sim. Besides Cyber2077 (bought it at launch, hated it… but it’s now #1 in my eyes) I don’t have the mental capacity to start a new adventure lol
@@mdkk make sure to check out my playlist, but TLDW: Highway LKAS+ACC is essentially the same (OpenPilot at its core) If you like to code, what to learn to code, don’t have other hobbies, want to spend less time with your partner, don’t have a SideCar compatible car, want to tinker, love seeing wires dangling in your $20K+ car, then get a Comma.
It now works with Android! For now, the phone is not needed to work. I only needed the phone for initial setup and that’s it. I hope it stays that way honestly.
Well if you have the time, money, patience, and desire to learn - anything is truly possible: shop.retropilot.org/contact-us/ Link above has discord information where you might be interested. PS - I suppose if you have money (listed above), you can also just buy a new car too lol
The unit indeed records footage based on its 250GB SSD storage (drivesidecar.com/product/sidecar) but access to the files is not easily accessible - nor would I recommend SideCar or even Comma C3(x) as a dashcam. Get a real dashcam, as that’s what I have done. If you visit the Comma OpenPilot Discord (which SideCar shares its software with), there are many posts where people were unable to retrieve accident/crash footage from their units; do not rely on on SideCar or Comma as dashcams.
I found your channel while falling down the rabbit hole of OpenPilot. I ended up buying one of these: I'm a developer but I don't really need to spend even more time on tweaking and configuration, let alone the physical installation. Thanks for the time you spent on this, I hope Epilog will let you take the sample: you're doing way a better job on marketing than themselves!
“Yes” -> similar to github.com/flowdriveai/flowpilot?tab=readme-ov-file & github.com/eFiniLan/xnxpilot But it’s a fork that only works on specific hardware.
SideCar is built on OpenPilot v0.9.x but has been heavily adapted to work with different compute (Qualcomm ARM vs nVidia CUDA), plus the single high resolution camera sensor. No point in running SideCar build in Comma 3(x)… but not impossible.
Evening again. So Epilog plays follow the leader as well? A double-edged sword since the leading car made a last-minute exit turn. I will remember that tip about staying in middle lanes, of course. Hope that you've started saying farewell to your unit since you have to return that soon.
Hey Tony. It’s definitely a double edged sword, that can be solved with navigation data… but that also opens up new issues lol I’m currently talking with Epilog atm, and we’re figuring out the return details. ;)
@@bryan.deleon Only a matter of time before you own your own unit, I suppose. I *WAS* going to reference Drake's "I'm Upset" again, but even that gets played out. Since May the 4th is coming up, may the Force be with you. Feel free to celebrate.
my 2021 venza had this and while it works fine it is NOT GOOD for wide turns or if it has to move the steering wheel alot. it will just let you drift out the lane and hit whatever. but when the turns are light as shown here works fine . but nowhere near tesla''s system.
Your Venza has the same stock ADAS system as my 2020 Rav4, and it’s called TSS2.0 - see your manual. The Epilog SideCar is an add-on device that greatly enhances the stock system. TSS2.0 can’t even dream of this: Pushing Epilog SideCar to the Extreme: Curvy Roads ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bF6dqH_0I1E.html Unfortunately the Venza is not compatible yet, but lots of work is being done with OpenPilot (of which SideCar branches off of): github.com/commaai/openpilot/discussions/19932
@@bryan.deleon ahh okay. I didn't know that was a t thing! I sold the venza for a model y but I still enjoyed the highway assist for non bendy highway turns and agreed it works decent for what it is . Good video
@@myaccount__7269 -Thanks! We also have a Model 3, arguably OpenPilot is better than Autopilot (as seen here: data.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/consumer-reports-active-driving-assistance-systems-november-16-2020.pdf) FSD is however not to be mentioned with AP or OP lol But I’ve always classed AutoPilot over OpenPilot until SideCar arrived - just because the form factor for Comma OpenPilot is terrible since it blocks the drivers view - SideCar solves that! PS - have you been enjoying the FSD trial?!
@@bryan.deleon ah very cool! Ya fsd 12 is crazy good. I'm very impressed and shocked how good it is and way better than fsd11. I'll def be using it if I road trip
Your experience matches mine. The comma drives better at night. More contrast in the lane lines and other vehicles, less traffic etc. Sunrise and sunset cause me far more issues, especially with the driver monitoring front facing cam
no alarm even you are looking down for almost 15 seconds , a bit scary , what if you fall asleep? in fairness, it was driving within the lane while you are looking down . stay safe
Thank you! Luckily I dangerously crane my neck back, if I fall asleep sitting up. So at least the head posture will trigger the alarm, if eye gaze is not caught.
In my experience, night driving is no problem for the comma, but I've found that the most challenging situation is in the late afternoon driving into the sun. The sun lights up the road and all the imperfections/cracks/fixes, and even I can barely see the lane lines. In this case it constantly tries to drive me into the car next to me.
Thanks for watching! I will see if my schedule allows me to hunt for the scenario you are referring to. In the past, I have found Openpilot to work surprisingly well in adverse conditions like that, but I do not know how Epilog SideCar would perform with its unique optical solution - my assumption is that the performance would be the same.
Yes. And fsd requires a $35k plus vehicle and an additional $6k or $100/month. This is $650 flat. You’re comparing apples and carrots. Not even in the same food group my guy.
@@joshx413 I agree. It costs more. You can buy a Ferrari and a scooter, they both get you from A to B. I have a Tesla and a KIA with a Comma3 and I love both. I eat apples and carrots they’re both great. 👍
Love the videos on this unit. I was all in on comma but I didn’t want to stick a phone to my windshield, so this has become waaaay more appealing! I would love to see more city driving to see how it does in slower traffic with more cars around. Keep the videos coming! I’m definitely going to buy one for my Rav soon.
Thanks for watching, and safe travels with your Epilog SideCar! I only have a few more days with the unit until I have to return it to Epilog. But I’ll try to fit in some “city” driving. I’ll preface that by saying, these systems (including Comma) really aren’t meant for it; there’s only so much the unit can see, even with wide angle cameras. Check out the raw footage (it’s even cropped smaller for the model/AI) from Comma units here: github.com/commaai/comma10k/tree/master/imgs2 - look for “e” in the file names for wide cam. The model/AI in Epilog Sidecar is very likely the same model that has been trained from these exact images.
Hi again. Great to watch another scenic drive after wrapping up another hectic workweek. I'll add that I'm playing the Taris Upper City theme from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic while watching this. That game is still considered by many to be one of the best RPG's from the 2000's. Wonder if you've played that, too. I recall that we briefly spoke about how updates can be bothersome or hindering. Hearing that Epilog seems to do fine without many updates would be satisfactory. Pity that you'll have to return the unit, though. Hope that you weren't too attached.
It is a pity indeed because I love this thing lol I view the updates in the same way as updates to our Tesla Model 3… I think for quite a while nothing had happened with AutoPilot and I didn’t really care; it continues to work as well as I expect it to. Now, if I had paid for EAP or FSD, then I’d be squirming in my seat for an update! I’m literary sitting in my Tesla as I type this and got to my destination with FSD, but I still see massive value in SideCar in its current form. I never got into KOTR, since I was probably playing some Fallout title, HL2, or MotoGP. I did play a bunch of SW on PS1… when I find time I’m also aiming to play more Rouge Squadron in VR!
@@bryan.deleon How often do updates happen for Tesla? I have a friend who drives a Tesla vehicle. Regarding Star Wars games, I *DID* play The Phantom Menace which did release on the PS1. Exploring Tatooine was fun. As for lightsaber combat, I'd suggest Jedi Outcast because of decent lightsaber combat mechanics even though the game's over 20 years old. I still remember playing Jedi Outcast in my senior year of high school.
Before getting the free FSD beta update, our car was stuck on v11.1 from like mid 2023? But roll out of Tesla updates is like some astrology level deciphering from what I researched. I think there is a mod for Jedi Outcast in VR!
@@bryan.deleon Qui-Gon Jinn: _"You must have Jedi reflexes to decipher Tesla updates."_ Sorry. Had to shoehorn a Star Wars quote in. Speaking of which, I did see gameplay of Jedi Outcast VR. The game now looks different from when I first played in high school. I imagine that getting past all those snipers on the planet Nar Shaddaa remains difficult.
I’m very interested in this. Although it really feels like this was released too early. It’s really just a headless openpilot that’s only for Toyotas right now on an unknown version of OP? I believe in another video you said they told you it was “0.9.x” and I’m confused why they’re being vague about it. I think you also mentioned at one point they wanted to have some sort of carplay integration. They really should’ve had this on version 1, I think that’s important. Still super interesting though. This is exactly what I was going to do with openpilot, create a headless system with carplay, but if I can have that pre-made, that would be fantastic.
Cool to see more interested in a headless version of Comma! (I'm speaking with privilege as a Toyota owner) but I for one believe in releasing a solid product with clear compatibility for a few cars is welcoming, over offering a product with a confusing array of "kinda/sorta" compatibility for many cars; it's awful seeing buyers in Discord realizing they missed some asterisk/footnote and loosing out on a feature they thought as default. After using forks for years, the vagueness of "v0.9.x.x" is fine since many forks will ingest features from a future branch or remove those found in prior releases; remember that Epilog is forcing Openpilot to work on completely new instructions - nVidia Cuda vs Qualcomm ARM. Also taking into account that Epilog is using software to use two data sets from only one camera sensor with cropping. Maybe you are more interested in the "model"? Regarding CarPlay integration, I'm in the camp of "cool to play with" but not something I need; my dash gives me the info I need. The CarPlay integration was kinda in line with Comma's NoO... which they have since removed due to poor performance aka automated lane changes without proper blind spot monitoring and "blind" in intersection.
I am thrilled! Hard to understand that you return the system. I could never have that coma unit obstructing my view. But this one is of course mainly geared to the relatively good road behaviour of Californian highways. Europe is having huge discussions trying to mandate some sort of acceptable mandatory system to supposedly recognise speed limits. Their own industry heavyweights are unlikely to agree on a common system.
I'll need to start saving up to get one to keep. Going to miss this thing for sure. I'm curious how legislation will enforce that speed limit recognition mandate? Will cars need Map Data locally or OTA? Hard to rely on the camera Road Sign Recognition, so the data has to come from somewher.
Here's what I'm still trying to rap my head around the lateral control concepts. Feel free to point out any errors have made here because I am still learning. What I am hearing is a lot of people are expecting more out of NNFF/NNLC then it is capable of producing, and it's due to misunderstanding exactly what it's doing. I was one of those people. There are several different "MAXIMUMS" one can talk about here: -Steering Motor Capability - This is the theoretical maximum torque that the motor that turns the wheels of the car is ever capable of reaching, essentially before it would otherwise burn itself out electrically. This number is in the HUNDREDS of ft-lbs (or as WirelessNet2 says in his Medium article "capable of easily tearing your arms off"). This is wholly impractical when talking about driving a car (automatically or manually), so it will be ignored from this point forward, but it STILL does differ, car-to-car. -Next, is the "Stock Maximum Torque" - this is the maximum amount of demand that your car's Electronics Control Unit (ECU) will "ask" the steering motor to provide on the vehicle's stock LKA/LCA system, out of the factory. This is some arbitrary value that vehicle assist system manufacturers will pick, probably while being hounded by hundreds of corporate and federal safety officers reqiring it to be set WELL BELOW a value that could potentially cause the car to "steer itself." -Now, let's talk about OpenPilot 0.9+ "NNLC/NNFF" auto-tuning modes. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING that OpenPilot is ONLY capable of "tuning" the values UP TO, BUT NOT EXCEEDING the "Stock Maximum Torque." There is NOTHING in these NNLC/NNFF settings that gets around that. In other words, UNTIL OP version <0.9, the "free the car from the safety officers" parameters have been more or less "static" or assigned, car-to-car, a "static" value. The values don't change depending on driving conditions (namely speed vs torque). NNFF/NNLC gets around THIS by automating how much torque in the "TORQUE ENVELOPE" (0 to "Stock Maximum"). But again, it does NOT get around the "Stock Maximum Torque" IN OF ITSELF. -The ONLY WAY to change the "Stock Maximum Torque" would be use of a program that REPROGRAMS the code itself in your ECU, essentially by putting a multiplier into the stock car's code. THIS is what WirelessNet2 talks about in his Medium article, and YES, you can USE your COMMA DEVICES and OBD-II interface to DO this, but it is NOT OpenPilot CODE. And when you DO that, which is becoming more and more possible on more and more cars, you create a new drive profile for your car which while DOES allow it to get around turns better, may cause the wheel to become JERKY. -NOW, you can have an NNFF/NNLC script applied to your car's torque-modified ECU Demand profile that will SMOOTH OUT those jerks. This is what the guy on Discord (can't remember his handle right now) is doing for people. He made one for a Honda Clarity 3X Torque, but not for a 2X torque which is what I have, and I heard the 3X torque is being "outlawed" for being too much. I know this was a lot of info, but I'm trying to wrap my head around this and I feel like bombing this comment on Discord would annoy people.
So you didn’t want to annoy people on Discord but I’m somehow free game? lol I never expected more torque. I expected increased accuracy with the torque I already had available. Success in a curve is determined before even approaching a curve. ;) This is quite an old video, and like you mentioned, NNFF work has been introduced - but all it seemed to uncover is that the path planning from the model itself is lacking. All the accuracy in world can’t fix bad instructions aka “wanting to cut corners”, from late turn in.
I have a 2031 Toyota Highlander Hybrid, and the stock adaptive cruise control seems to do all the same things as this. It keeps spread, slows down, starts and stops with the cars in front of you and keeps speed. Maybe the only thing it doesn’t do is switch lanes on its own. But really the stock system basically does basically the same thing. Why would I pay $650 more for not much more benefit? Tesla still leads the way, where you can input a destination, and the car will follow a map and get you there all on its own, take the appropriate exits it needs to, stop at stop lights and stop signs, make turns on non-highway just regular neighborhood roads, etc. Tesla is the inky company that’s really exploring true self driving. Not just adaptive cruise control.
The improvement in lane-keeping is significant, and something one needs to experience first hand. The addition of cut-in detection, is also a welcome feature over stock. The ability to have a safety backed driver monitoring system, that enables hands free driving is something that’s wonderful and hard to quantify. It “does the same thing” but so much better; if you ever had fun as a kid skateboarding or rollerblading - it’s like changing out the default bearings of your wheels to ABEC 5’s. They still roll, but the value in improvement is subjective to your value of a dollar. If you can afford this upgrade (1.87% of your car’s $35,000 value), and your car is compatible - it’s really worth a try for $650 and you can return in 30 days for a full refund. Even Comma OpenPilot has the same return policy so you can stop being an arm chair observer and experience it yourself. PS - I also have a Tesla Model 3 with the current FSD beta, and I still think the Epilog SideCar is a fantastic product. ;)
@@marisakirisame8543 using the DM camera for BSM was the hope of Comma, but it was wishful thinking; too many obstructions and not enough clarity imho: github.com/commaai/comma10k/tree/master/masksd
Thanks for watching! Not sure what "3" you are referring to, but either way, my Comma Three is dead now so I don't know how much help I can be; another thing, Comma has such low confidence in Navigate on Openpilot that they have decided to remove it for now: github.com/commaai/openpilot/pull/32106
@@MAGApepe Oh there are more than 3 forks to choose from lol But I am team Sunnypilot - even if my Comma Three wasn’t dead, I would be using SunnyPilot just for his community alone. Cheers!
I don’t think Epilog SideCar works yet, but if you have the fun-money to temporarily install a Comma 3x, the steering will get an exponential boost. I know it’s for work, but some ppl install it on rentals.
