Maybe not for this video, but I've tried to copy your grip and it is very comfortable. But with my hand relaxed in that position my bow naturally seems to torque. When I look at my top cam at full draw the string sits off to the left of the cam a bit. It takes alot of effort to torque the bow to where the string is directly in line with the bow which makes it hard to keep consistent. How can i fix this? Is it not something to worry about as long as im keeping it the same? (LH archer btw)
This is a great explanation and way to shoot! This is exactly how I execute a two finger release. It’s what I call the OK 👌🏼 method. Focusing on keeping that position in my hand during the draw. For me when I’m under pressure I will be tense in the index! So I’ve learned to shoot that way against a heavier holding weight (and try to develop my sight picture and hold for that) with just enough stabilizer weight to keep me steady, all the while being patient while I wait for the index to give in to the shot! For me it’s all about practicing each shot the way I feel under pressure.
@@rcrchery It would be interesting to know whether there are archery methods that always work equally well, no matter how nervous or tense you are. This would largely minimize the mental factor. The other option would be to only train in a tense state when preparing for tournaments.
👍👍. Learning to have a relaxed hand for me translates to calmer relaxed mindset. The whole process from drawing to the break is a more “ casual?” technique. It makes taking a shot physically and mentally easier. Sounds nuts, but that’s what’s happening.
Some very good tips. I recently removed some of my front weight, which feels good, but I am having more problems holding target. When I pull thru the shot it gets even worse so I can tend to let off a little which will steady the sight picture, but my bow has a small valley so it ends up pulling me out of the shot and causing misfires. Going to experiment with adding weight back a little at a time and see how it goes. What you say about bow balance makes sense. I took weight off to create a more balanced bow, which it is when static, but once you pull back, it's no longer balanced. Going to verify my peep height tonight too. Good stuff !!
You’re definitely experiencing the front weight needing more. If the overall front weight gets too heavy for you to hold up comfortable you can take off back Weight and lighten the whole rig up.
@@rcrchery I ended up spending a fair amount of time trying different weight amounts on the front and it definitely steadied the sight picture...and helped offset the pull needed to stay firmly on the back wall. But yeah the whole bow felt too heavy. Not bad for a few ends but after 8 or 9 the benefits of a steady sight picture started to diminish. So I did as you suggested and dropped a lot of weight off the backend but left enough up front to get the better sight picture. Now the overall weight is comfortable to hold for a longer period. I think the key is taking the time to shoot for a bit after you make changes. It takes a while to let your body and mind adjust to really tell if there has been any significant impact. In the end it worked out very well and I learned a few things along the way. Even though I am giving recurve a go I still plan to shoot both so I'll subscribe and keep up on any future videos. Thanks again brother.
Good another video! but I have a question, why many pro target archers don't relax the elbow? and the arm of bow its very extend? for example Fullerton, Shamai Yamrom ecc, does it also depend on the position of the feet, whether more open towards the target or more in line with the shoulders?
Thank you for watching and for the comment here! I can only speak towards Mathias here as I’ve watched him shoot a lot. So if you watch video of him and look at the bow arm and elbow area. When the shot breaks his arm extends a little more outwards towards the target. So while he’s got a very straight bow arm, it’s not locked out or over extended because there’s still room there for it to expand and move forward on release. I have a little more bend in my elbow than him for sure but he’s shooting in the same manner.
I've had the same bow for 3ish years now (Mathews V3 31) and have always felt my draw length was too long. The interesting thing is that some days it feels perfect, but most days it feels as though I'd benefit from a half inch shorter draw. I'm constantly watching back tape of myself, but it doesn't look the way it feels.
If it feels different day to day it could be how your placing the shoulder in the joint. Make sure it’s in a natural position and adjust the bow to it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N009SHcX_vE.htmlsi=ZSMh6cSMpTxScmEi
Awesome Stuff Mate 🏴☠️🏹🏁 I'm looking forward to the release hand video as I've just been experimenting with a tension release I thought would help me but I've gone back to my Hinge. I find if my shot doesn't go off within 3 or 4 seconds my float goes nuts. Sometimes the dam thing just won't go off Hahaha... But when it does I'm averaging around 905 points on outdoor 3D THANK YOU 😊
Thank you for watching! I’ve found shooting a tension release to be different than any other release in what it needs out of the hand so that’ll be a good reference for me to make for the next video.
I found i relax the way you talk about by saying "loose as a goose" before drawing...makes me laugh in my head a bit and takes the rigidity out of my form as it also reminds me to only flex my back but keep everything else relaxed. It's dumb but effective for me.
Appreciate the content. I definitely shoot with a closed and sometimes neutral stance. Never had any formal training - Will have to do some practice with a more open stance and see how this feels. I am shooting 4x a week or more, and my back is fatigued on the back-to-back days that I do a two or three day sprint. I'm currently running a Bowtech Core SS w/ a 29.5" draw at 65# weight. I'm also hearing different opinions about intentional bias on your stabilizers - would like to know your opinion on the matter. I moved mine around the other day to play with intentional bias, but wasn't in love with it. I do like the "neutral" bubble on my draw - gets me to target pretty quickly. Thanks!
When you adjust the stance you may find you need a little shorter draw length, just a heads up. It'll close that triangle off some and get the shoulder more engaged. I like a little front weight bias on the bars and I personally prefer side bar to have a little bias, but not much. It gives me something to push against and helps me hold steadier. You may find you like the bias a little more with the open stance, but if not there's nothing wrong with a balanced system left and right as long as the grip is okay and you're consistent.
I’m assuming my float sucks more now as I have degenerative osteoarthritis in the AC Joint and Glenhumeral head. It’s definitely decreased my accuracy or at least it feels that way.
Sorry to hear that's going on! That's probably a leading factor, I agree. I would look into subconscious aiming more and trying to accept the float motion you have now and over time going forward. It could help you still hit the middle more by natural synching and body timing. Backing off overall weight on the rig could help you too.
Excellent instruction. As a hunter, primarily, vs target shooting, my struggle is the stance. My climber stand platform is plenty large enough that its not an issue, but in a ladder stand, my platform can be much smaller. Therfore, I try and lean into the rail for added stability. Also, my harness strap alows me to get more steady by leaning into the shot providing more stability. Just my situation of concern, but I really appreciate your instructions. Thank you.
On the first picture of your bow hand it looks as if your index finger is on the far side of the riser while in latter pics down the center. Even doing the 3 fingers touching my palm invariably right at my heal I cross the lifeline slightly but my bubble is great. Thank you
Greatest invention ever for me was releases with two moons! We’re all so different in strength and weakness and two moons helps you tweak your shot timing to perfection for your ability!
Then you got the recurve guy that comes in with no sights , using fingers taking shots while he sits, kneels , twist all kinds of ways and starts busting knocks...lol
There's lots that goes into this. I have several videos on the channel over release execution though based on the type of release you're using and then just in general for shot execution.
Natural point of aim. Essential to reducing the workload of getting on and staying on target. This component of archery also applies to when you're handling "cordless hole punchers". Shifting your feet, or whatever part of your body is in contact with the ground is the beginning. Aiming, then closing your eyes for a moment and reopening them to reveal if your aim still has you on target, or has drifted. Shift your feet to acquire the target as necessary. This is my second video of yours I have watched. I am now sub'd in 🏁
My major issue at the moment seems to be my back elbow is wandering, sometimes I do a Mikey Chicken wing and i usually end up loosing full draw, the rest of the time it just doesn't find a fixed point in space.
Sounds like a form and alignment issue with the fitment of the bow's draw length and the loop length. Possibly peep too. I have a coaching package for fitment and form if you'd like to get it worked out. It's $30. If you're interested in it let me know. My email is rcrchery@gmail.com
superbe vidéo ! mais un point mérite d être souligné à propos de la façon de s ouvrir un peu : c est ne pas oublier de verrouiller son bassin , ce qui augmente la stabilité ( surtout dans le vent ) … merci pour vos bons conseils 👏🤝
Maybe not for this video but im having issues finding my correct DL. My float sucks in general but wheh i change my DL up or down i dont see or feel any difference. Maybe this has to do with total inconsistency in my form in general?
Could be overall form/alignment with the fitment. I'm up to help if you'd like me to. We can pick a coaching package and work from there. My email is rcrchery@gmail.com
@rcrchery thanks for the reply. After finishing this video and looking at others on your channel I definitely know my grip is way off. I typically have the grip resting ON my life line and all my fingers on the bow. imo you are the best source for clear and concise form videos on RU-vid. You bring up alot of topics no one else does aswell.
@@johnsmith4933 You can place an arrow point down into your waistband and let the nock be a little below your armpit. It'll give you instance feedback on this. Then draw with your head over your front foot on the initial part of the draw and settle into a level position.
I’m honestly not feeling much in shoulder movement when I put my hand on it and I have a very open stance whereas both my feet are at a 45 with the front foot as far back as in line with the ankle of the other leg. Another video you had made me change my rear bar which helped immensely with my float. I would be very solid but as soon as I moved my thumb on my hinge release my pin would drop. I once spoke with Liko Arroyo father and asked him how does she hold her bow at a 45 and he stated she can’t worry about that as her hands are so tiny. No matter I enjoy your content 😊
Usually if your pin drops as you move your thumb on a hinge it’s because you’re losing tension against the backwall. It’s a hesitation to keep the shot from firing. Sometimes the hinge is too fast when this happens and slowing it down can help. Sometimes it’s just a mental block to overcome.
@@rcrchery yikes 😇Thanks for the response. I am “always” pushing the envelope on making the hinge hotter. Someone that shoots well told me I count to 1,000 Three and if the arrow is not gone I let down. I’ve been down that rabbit hole. I’ll back my hinge off 1/4 turn and give that a go. And…I’ll let you know. Thank you
@@rcrchery Really good video. I take my thumb totally off the peg, I believe I hold somewhat loose and my hand/elbow just pulls back relaxing my hand which rotates the hinge. Backed off by about 13 degrees on the hinge and each time thought it’s not going to go off keep pulling. Perhaps and believe I had less anxiety which I wasn’t even aware of having. Closed my stance up more like your picture with the black shoes. Didn’t have the instant pin drop when my thumb came off the peg and I actually shot better than my usual. Pretty amazing you figured this out so quickly 🏆 🏆 🏆
@@4thholebridge Glad it's helping for you! This is what I do and thankfully I've dealt with a lot of issues over the years with my own shooting to help me teach others as well as getting to talk with a lot of archers too. Trying to be relaxed on the index at draw will help a ton on execution.
Great video again!!!! I wish i had that video when i started archery (info). Everything is so important. Everything start from there. As a para archer in a wheelchair, the angle i put my chair is super important because i want to be in a natural opening toward the target. TIP: I put a color tape on my foot plate to be at the same angle evertime i put myself over the shooting line.
When im in place before shooting, i simulat that i aim, i close my eyes for fiew sec. If im still aiming at the same place. Im in my natural position for shooting
Thx - great videos as usual. Could you explain why sometimes the bow kicks out/ snaps to the left instead of lunging forward on the shot. Is it an alignement issue?
Thank you! It’s possible it’s the grip torque causing it. Collapsing on the shot and the shoulder creeping up causing the hand to torque could be a possibility as well. Those are the two common issues I see a lot and would check first.
Geez I’m all off then lol, I actually aim both feet at like a 45 from the target. Idk why but it feels normal. But I’ve been struggling with from front and rear shoulders lately. These are good tips
haha well then here's a change to reset. That could be perfectly fine on your feet placement depending on what's working for you. You're open which is a great start no matter what. Thanks for watching!
I'm definitely going to work on this. I've tried some of these things like opening up my stance and getting a proper grip. How I set my shoulder and possibly draw length may be the last piece of the puzzle. Awesome video
Awesome work dude! I've been watching you since the beginning and even after 20yrs of myself bowhunting/target shooting I learn so much off your work. Kudos sir!!!
So i was into 3d shooting, had a bowtech ss34, no getting to target and actually getting a reckoning Gen 2 . Does that bow jump a lot? I don't think it does compare to the other target bows. What are you experiencing with your new bow vs other?
It'll have more jump than the SS34 but it's not as much as some other target bows on the market. There's not much vibration at all either. Compared to the Supra I was shooting, it's similar but less jump forward for sure.
@@rcrchery Nice ! Thanks for sharing your shooting experience with your bow. That's what I thought. Didnt had a chance to shoot one .. I loved my ss34 but moving to target archery now. Can't wait to get my hands on it and shoo 18 and 50 meters target competitions! Since I started shooting targets, all the members of my club want to do it! Whent viral on them! As we dont have that mutch support pour compound training here, I share your channel with all of them. Keep up the good work and hope your injury is getting better! Cheers from Montreal, Quebec, Canada 🇨🇦. ✌️👍👌🎯♥️
Thank you very much for sharing the videos! That's awesome to hear everyone's getting into the target side of things. That's a big passion of mine for sure. The ultimate goal of accuracy.
Great video. I’m liking the concept on your 100th video. Using your clients to show their issues is a good idea. I’m looking forward to it. Thanks Robert
Quick question. I've been having this issue for a good while now, and I've done everything that I can to find a solution with no luck. As I'm holding my pin over the target, it keeps wanting to float LEFT of the 10-ring only. I'm not getting the left-to-right figure-8 float that I should be getting, only my pin staying centered on the 10-ring for maybe 2 seconds before it just wants to float way left. Do you know what could be causing this? On a Vegas target, sometimes I'm so far left that I'm not even on any of the scoring rings anymore.
It could be a drifting issue which is something I cover in my coaching program at the very beginning. It could be a form of aiming anxiety too. If it's that we'd have to run through some drills to figure out the cause of the problem and then find out what needed to be done to fix it. Email me and we can talk more and figure out the best way to approach things! rcrchery@gmail.com
