Not feeling the headlights (looks very out of place), start button & gills are meh. dropping the manual & tach is a deal killer. Will be keeping my current GTS.
Removal of the physical tachometer is a misstep. Bugatti understands as their new model has NO screens. It’s a cheapening of the experience, but the price keeps going up.
992.1 or 992.2 ... neither is anything close to being "analog". My dream 911 garage would be a 1970-71 911S, late 964 and whatever the newest one is. Analog was over decades ago, which is bad and good.
I prefer the 992.1 To be honest the only joy I'm hoping for is that the 992.2 will drop the 992.1 price so that I can eventually buy one 😊 really want a Turbo S 🎉🎉🎉
@@stu1944 I was looking to spec a 992.1 then the new one came out and now I'm honestly just going to get a used 992.1... I can't get the new one, such a downgrade, bad timing I guess
Enjoyed your show as usual Mason. Interesting to have the younger guy be the "purist" and the older guy be the newer type buyer Porsche has pivoted to attract. Porsche has done the dual generations simultaneously on many occasions, including the 997 / 991 when you could buy a new 2013 997.2 Turbo S even though the 991 came out for the 2012 model year. Also the 2011 997.2 GTS was in fact a Carrera with no back seat, though almost all buyers did opt to have the rear seats installed at no cost. If I had to guess, I would think Porsche designers may have changed the front gills to vertical to create the illusion of the front end being less wide than it is. All the horizontal surfaces really emphasize the massive increase in front track and overall width of these giant 911s. In addition, they tie in with the CHMSL which went vertical with the 992.1 and perhaps the smaller surface area of the redesigned slats also allows for less stress on the hinges at speed. As for the new hybrid feature, Porsche made news years ago when they built in extra space in the new PDK unit to accommodate the technology, so this has been planned for a while. Using the GTS as the trial consumer reaction balloon was probably deemed the least risky option, since the other trim levels have been established for a much longer time. Keep up the great job!
It’s nice to know there are actual Porsche enthusiasts at Porsche Irvine. My experience has been the dealership is more tuned to OC people buying Porsche SUVs than real petrolheads who love their 911s.
Thank you for your honest feedback. Porsche should be proud you both work for the brand. Your passion shows through and us consumers absolutely appreciate this info. Thank you!
Very optimistic about the GTS’s new tech. Even with this new hybrid tech, Porsche always know what’s needed to make the 911 great. Only thing I don’t like on the new GTS is the vertical front slats - the front of the base Carrera looks much better.
If you love the product you represent, wouldn’t it make sense to mostly be positive? In addition I watched this twice and in my opinion they both honestly said they weren’t a fan on certain things.
I'm betting that the 992.2 Carrera T will have more power than the standard car this time around. Now that the GTS makes so much power there is over a 100 HP gap between the base care and the GTS. This leaves a nice space for a 30 HP bump for the T and a 70 hp bump for the S.
The sad part is the prime driver of the car’s technology is being controlled by woke bureaucrats in Brussels. This model is way more complex than it should be and thus the high prices we all suffer at the hands of an insane, corrupt hoax about how much plant food we have in the air. They are squeezing the soul out of the cars. That’s why few Porsche customers want a Taycan; despite its performance specs. You couldn’t give me an EV and I won’t be buying any hybrids. One final thing; Porsche management is 150% woke and would love to retire every ICE model immediately. They love the fact that the GTS is over $200k out the door as it’s a tax on climate deniers. Go look at the ppt slides for their investors update. They said their target market is “Progressive Youngsters” and “ Creative Types.” That’s why you can’t delete the t-hybrid badge. It’s their middle finger to the traditional Porsche owner - along with the key removal and analog tach delete. They got rid of them to please their new target market.
Let me contribute to the debate about horizontal or vertical grille. It concerns about fluid dynamics. Let's take a commercial airplane as example. The vertical wing is used to stabilize vertically whilst the horizontal wings are used to stabilize horizontally. Hence, the vertical grilles play central role when cornering at high speed, in addition of horizontal wings (below the engine and on the rear)
The thing with batteries is that they'll have to be replaced at some point. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not in five years, maybe not in 10 years, but at some point. Porsche would do everyone a service if they came out in front and said "this is the expected lifespan", "this is the replacement cost", "your car will be one day in the shop and then we'll have it back to you". When you drop +200k on a sports car what you don't appreciate is uncertainty, and second hand buyers are less forgiving than that.
This is a non-statement. 10 years? That’s pretty good, lots of things need replacement after that amount of time. PCCB rotors need replacement after that amount of time too and for a 5 figure amount as well. In addition battery technology is improving rapidly. The batteries 5-10 years from now will be vastly improved from those of today, with each replacement will see increased longevity.
It’s not going to last 10 years. Since when have you had a battery used in rough service last more than 3 years? They’ll not just go bad, they will deteriorate over time, creating problems long before the “go bad.” The whole design is massively complex and will inherently have lower reliability than prior, proven designs.
I'm soon to receive my 992.1 GTS with a manual gearbox, but there are certain things I like about the new 911. I quite like the single electric 'turbocharger', and the fact that belts and pullies are seemingly removed from the engine block. Digital gauges are a little controversial, and I do wish the 992.1 didn't have straight edges adjacent to the central analogue dial - they should have curved around the contour of the central dial. Manual gearbox is another thing - having owned a PDK 992 before, like every other auto, having nothing to do with the left foot / hand is something that's left me wanting.
As a 992.1 owner, the jury is still out - it's unfair to judge based on 2 models in the line. Some of the design elements are questionable; push button start (why other than to save $0.10), the shelf below the tails, the quiet exhaust on the GTS, digital gauges are another cost saving issue (nearly 0% of us 911 owners want a full navigation map behind the wheel), and of course the (as yet) omission of the manual. I do think it is a leap forward and like all 911's it will grow on all of us, the 992 had a lot of criticism to start as well. The models that still intrigue me are the manuals - GT3 touring (which I am on the list for over a year thus far), and the rumored Turbo RWD manual (maybe a modern GT2) which I also put my name down for. Porsche are masters of making a model for everyone, this generation will be no different. They just now have an even bigger range of differences between the models.
I gave up waiting for a new non-hybrid v-8 Panamera and have ordered a 4S E Hybrid. The ordering process could be more efficient-the Configurator states that the Sport Chrono Gauge is available either as a stopwatch or a compass but the compass is nowhere to be found as an option. So far I haven’t received a satisfactory response from Porsche re the compass. Similarly, black calipers were not available as an alternative to standard red until I continued for several weeks to question Porsche as to why that option was not available and they agreed that that absence was a mistake so now black calipers are offered on the non-ceramic brakes. In the Mike and Mason video inside the Panamera, you can see the silver shade optional horizontal insert just beneath the front seat headrest. Strange that symmetry isn’t continued with matching inserts in the back seats. I have asked if matching inserts can be optioned but I was told that zero customization is available on any Porsche other than a 911 it 718.
I'm in a similar boat. Been waiting on a non-hybrid v8 Panamera but am getting a bit impatient. Looking forward to seeing some reviews and hearing feedback on the 4s ehybrid to see if it would be a viable alternative. I'm also considering an RS6 or the newly released Cayenne GTS as alternatives, but really love the pdk. Any idea on when you'll be recieving your car?
