Hi there, my name is Jack Wang. I'm the founder of a VC-backed startup - KIRI Innovations. Okay, frankly I'm building this channel trying to promote my company, but there's nothing wrong I guess. Ever since 2018, we tried to make 3D scanning more affordable, I hope through this RU-vid channel you could experience how cool this technology could become.
In under 10 minutes from downloading your product, I had an .stl file in Aspire that I could machine with my CNC. Immediately I recognized the value and ordered the full $50 pro version with Lidar. Your enthusiasm is infectious! I wish the very best for you!
Dude nice video, how often have you used your scanner before you made this video? Are you feeling confident enough to compare your tool with different software where you knowledge might be limited to how it operates? And seeing how you do photogrammetry while you cast shadows on your object. You should state that this is meant as advertising and not valuable comparison. Have you meassured both results? Does kiri engine support any april tag or marker regocbition so that scale can be applied directly to the model?
Thanks for the comment man! Actually, KIRI started as a structured light 3D scanner company, so we are quite familiar with the technology and how it operates. I don't see why this isn't a valuable comparison, but one thing I regretted is that I didn't get to compare the results with the scanner spray put on, because I recently tried with the scanner spray it made photogrammetry look really no difference with structured light scanner, so I might do another video showing the results with the scanner spray on
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 it is a use case question, if you scan for 3d rendering and putting things into blender scenes it might compare. If you scan for engineering it would have been a valuable comparison to get realworld meassures and compare them to the results. I havent used kiri engine yet for photogrammetry, i am a metashape user, i came across the software yesterday and looked at your video. I personally got a negative impression from it im sorry to say. I wish it would habe been different, but iam not your target market, to me it felt unprofessional.
100% correct! And since it's been a while when I made this video, KIRI Engine now supports LiDAR scan too, check out this new video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wyhDffq1_SA.htmlsi=R_z8fEQha8f4ktRr
Thanks for the comment man, I wouldn't say it's 100% correct. I've seen people using 3D scanner apps for serious game dev and VFX stuff. You won't believe how much our modern smartphone can do. But you can always use the KIRI Engine on web browsers to upload high quality DSLR images or the photoset from photogrammetry rigs for high quality 3D reconstruction
I tried one quick scan of the payloader interior i was operating, immediately paid for a year subscription after seeing the incredible results. I never knew our phones paired with a great app could give us scanning results like this, bravo!
@@mrctuned2844 wow, thank you so much mrctuned for such encouraging comment, it just made my night a lot sweeter!!!! Please feel free to let me know if you ever got any questions or problems with KIRI :) you can find me on email jack.w@kiri-innov.com
Is once measured and calculated scale ratio of a model scanned by photogramerty applicable for all the other scans made by the same smartphone in order to get the exact dimensions?
Regarding the the last point, shouldn't the Lidar-Sensor provide all the data required for accurate scaling of the scan? If not/for devices without Lidar, would it be possible to implement the use of reference objects of known dimensions? Dimensional accuracy would be a huge selling point in my opinion
Oh absolutely! Actually, when you export the 3D model, the exported folder will automatically include a low-poly model at 15k face counts. If you need lower face counts, with the Advanced Export option you can manually adjust the poly count percentage! And BTW, no matter how low the poly counts are, the texture are always in 4k with normal map
Hey SmockPhotography! Thanks for the question :) because the black metal object is shiny and dark, it's pretty hard to scan unprepared no matter is you are using KIRI Engine or Revopoint 3D scanners. So to scan a black metal logo, to get the best result, you need to properly prepare it by applying a layer of scanner spray. You can find some of these scanner sprayers here: www.amazon.com/3DTOOLS-Revopoint-Scanners-Reflective-Transparent/dp/B0D56LWK22/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1EN5FWF51UISD&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.264MFboiQnqyTs9_H8--VokvNpGwxcahb7fCcDrFqIJgMNRrIV65e1afrU4cRq6ygIsVppexrnH7lTord-WVpqQRmUID066TNsx19fAOqBokhQpw3FaOeTeDwB7p2iqEjMDUSY-9gAFLQu6i8YCN5T220972qEI0uDsE4cItoQOwhkXEtShWP3fU_ShmD5FVUrJ7TavEvWqCrFiTUb_Ru4CAy8z6gB1_kXiZLOvRfxebbmWvK2mcKizcjVkxK6s2St4VayneTL7I43YBuNC-DWhF0eP93egKMGrCFSayGYI.LYTmyeYA-fzmIy-PyqCvc2rqLJCUgBfAElGRLYtb0lw&dib_tag=se&keywords=scanner+spray&qid=1724643250&sprefix=scanner+sp%2Caps%2C499&sr=8-3 Once you get these sprays, both KIRI Engine and Revopoint should work pretty good. Feel free to let me know how it turns out :)
Hey NFTwizardz! Yes, it is definitely possible. I'm actually making a complete tutorial video on how to properly scan heads and body using KIRI Engine. Stay Tuned :)
UPDATE. I received feedback directly from the company. Apparently i was wrong. Please read their reply. I did do a scan it looked really good. The free part is not completely honest and to say the least it is misleading. True you scan for free, you can upload to their server up to 3 scans per week. But the free version only lets you export a total of three files to your slicer. So what good is it to have a bunch of scanned files you can’t export to print. Oh you can export more if you pay $2.99 per month.
Hi Brad! Thank you for the comment, and I really appreciate you share your thoughts about KIRI Engine, but unfortunately the information you provided wasn't correct :( The free plan in KIRI Engine allows you to upload as many 3D scans as you want without limit, but you can export 3 scans PER WEEK; if you used up all three exports this week, you can just wait until next week, and you'll get another three free exports. I hope these info will cheer you up but feel free to let me know if you have any questions or concerns :)
My apologies for not understanding what it meant. I suggest adding the three weekly export. I will remove my comment. Since Im wrong i dont want discourage others. Thank for nice reply and correction.
@@BradRemillard Thank you so much Brad! But you don't have to delete the comment, you know :) Anyways, thank you so much for the understanding, let me know if you have any other questions or concerns ;)
@@BradRemillard Great question! That actually depends on what object you are trying to scan, if the object has enough features point, the straight result is even comparable with some professional 3D scanners, take a look at this viral Reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/16l4kxw/3d_scanned_with_kiri_engine_on_an_iphone_14_pro/ But if the object doesn't have enough features points, the surface might be rough for 3D printing, in which case you need to clean up the 3D model using Zbrush or Blender. I'm actually making another tutorial video to show how to clean up 3D scans super easy :)
how is good on scanning THIN, SMall Convex/concurve objects....vintage 80s he man 2 peice armor each part is 2mm of wall thickness, has pins and hinges also at 2x2mm and very convex and concuve
hey CanadienMikey! Thanks for the question! It actually depends on whether the armour is shiny. If the armor is shiny, you need to prepare it to make it not shinny (e.g. put on scan spray), then both KIRI Engine and Revopoing should work. Feel free to try out KIRI Engine first because it's free to try anyways, if it doesn't fulfill your needs, then an actual 3D scanner might be a better option in your case :)
I tried using your software, but the results were disappointing. Plus, it takes 30 minutes to create a model from 10 images. And if you want more features, the yearly membership costs over $400, which is just way too expensive.😐😐
I believe your software can successfully scan, but I'm not sure if you process the results from the mobile app. Before buying the scanner, I thought about using my phone to scan instead. But honestly, I couldn't get any decent results-there were huge errors. That's why I ended up getting the scanner to get the results I wanted.
I tried Kiri about couple months ago, but it didn’t work well for me. I switched to Polycam, which was a bit better but still disappointing. There is no problem with the texture, but I'm more interested in the accuracy of the model.
Hi Jack, good video, thank you. I was just looking at purchasing a Revopoint for doing some scanning on a vintage motocross bike I'm building. Now this video has given me some more thought. Assuming I'm using an Android Pixel 7 phone, would Kiri be able to scan a fuel tank for reverse engineering and also printing for an electric conversion to the bike? I would like to get some accurate dimensions for various fixing/mounting points. Would the file need to be transferred to different software. If so, I'd be looking at something intuitive, as this is all new tech to myself. With regards to costs and upgrades, is there a 1 off fee or is it pay per scan if I was looking at more features as a hobby user. On a side note for your business model, I like to pay for Pro level Apps at the point of purchase, with no re-newable license fee. However, still happy to pay for upgrades if needed. Thank you in advance for any answers and advice. Regards, Dale
Hey Dale! Thank you so much for the comment! I'm glad that my video provided some extra info for your decision :) Great questions, let's answer them: 1. The ability to scan a fuel tank for reverse engineering: The answer is yes! However, to make an accurate scan with the KIRI Engine, you need to prepare the tank before photo-scanning it. You can buy a scanner spray that can make the surface less reflective, then use some baby power (or chalk power or anything that you can put on the top to increase feature points). Once you've done that preparation, you are ready to make super accurate 3D scans with just your Pixel 7. 2. Measurement: Although the relativity is all there, there is no real-world scale straight out of photo scanning. But it's not an issue, you can manually scale the model to real-world size in other 3D software such as Fusion360, here is a video on RU-vid that teaches you how to scale a photo-scanned model: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-axdPIc6FqQU.htmlsi=Mx1LyUH_J_ELMgH_&t=316 3. Pricing: Unfortunately, KIRI Engine doesn't have one-off purchase plan. The reason for that is KIRI Engine uses servers on the cloud for processing 3D scans, it's financially not feasible to just charge once but the server cost is being accumulated. However, having said that. I'm almost certain that you can achieve accurate 3D scanning of your bike's fuel tank without having to become a paid user, our free features should be sufficient for your need. Just remember to prepare the object before going for a photo scanning; If you did need a paid plan, although it doesn't have a one-off purchase option, you can actually become a subbed user for a month for only 15USD, then cancel it whenever you finished the project, this way it's much cheaper and efficient than buying a physical 3D scanner :) Let me know if you have any other questions, happy to answer more :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 , thank you for the informed reply. I have scanned the tank with zero prep after work this afternoon, as we had nice weather to do it outdoors. The result and level of detail is fantastic and way above what I was expecting, considering no prep was done. I'm going to try it again tomorrow, but take the photos with a Canon EOS200D for comparison. I am absolutely blown away by how good this app is, considering that was my first play with it. Fair play to you, you have developed an outstanding product. I will look at the link for the software that you have recommended this evening. Again, thank you 😁👍
Hey~ Yes, you can :) In KIRI Engine, you can actually export the 3D model in STL format, which is perfect for 3D printing! But I do wanna point out that when scanning a person, because the person would be moving slightly, KIRI Engine can be hard to use to scan not-stationary objects. But feel free to try it out :)
Nice video! Have you reviewed Canvas or other scanners specifically made for scanning architecture? - I am an architect and interested in Polycam and Canvas and other scanners that scan to CAD and BIM and Pointcloud. Also the Polycam feature of creating the walls and furniture is really nice. I have not checked if there are other apps like Canvas and Polycam that scan to BIM. I will have a look at a the others you mention and see if they have a scan Architecture feature.
Hi Ryan! Thank you so much for the comment! The feature of creating walls and furnitures are called RoomScan, this feature is available on both KIRI Engine and Polycam. On KIRI Engine, RoomScan is completely free :)
Holy heck, this is such a good video and about as unbiased as you can get considering it's from the founder and CEO of KIRI Engine. KIRI Engine looks phenomenal and I'm excited to play around with it a lot more. I'm a but upset I gave away my iPad Pro with LIDAR to a friend who needed something for college a while back so I can't use the LIDAR enhanced meshing, but the other features seem to make up for it in other ways. Also, Jack, I love your enthusiasm and energy. You're a shining beacon of positivity it's enlightening and contagious. Please keep being you.
Hey MasterThief!! Thank you so much for the kind words :) Haha, yeah LiDAR scan in KIRI Engine is gorgeous. But in terms of the final 3D scan result, sometimes photogrammetry will produce better mesh details :) So don't be too frustrated even if the iPad Pro isn't around. Hey, feel free to try it out and let me know how it goes :)
Amazing comparison, thank you Jack! Ive just bought a second hand Kinect V1 and using skanect and works good but not the high resolution i want so thats why im here! Subbed too
Hey Adrian!! Thank you so much for the comment! First of all, nice car!!! I can clearly guess why you'd need a 3D scanner like Kinect (I was super into cars, too :D). Believe it or not, Kinect was also my first 3D scanner and I hated it so much lol. That's exactly why I wanted to make KIRI Engine because back then, the only affordable option was this useless sensor from my Xbox :( So I wanted to make 3D scanning affordable and accessible to more people like me. Feel free to let me know if you got any questions or concerns when trying out KIRI Engine and other 3D scanner apps :)
Hey Zaviekucer! Thanks for the comment, I actually found a pretty good video on how to use a 3D scan model on Solidworks here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dD-wLDRCX6E.htmlsi=vPWtbRBCCCNcrbJh
Hey Antonio! Thanks for the comment. To make sure our company can grow and delivery better products over time, we really need a business model to support the team financially. But in this video, all that I've shown in KIRI Engine are the FREE features, if I were to compare the paid features in KIRI with Revopoint, oh man, we can do so much more :)
i recently did the photogrammetry mechanical part using my PocoF1 which i purchased in 2018, and uploaded a tutorial, because I dont have the latest Iphone or access to latest pricy softwares. But to my surprise the opensource softwares work quite well sometimes... After this comment I will download your add and test it and definitely going to tag you, whatever the results are.... Namaste
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 I already, tested your app, the result was quite good, and I also the photogrammetry. One thing which I encountered with the Scan from your app was it distorted the x axis scale, it was starched. But it was first attempt, although i tried to stay suddle with my moments. I used the same images to make the photogrammetry scan and as i have already worked with it in past, so it came out perfectly. To test the scaling (how distorted it was with your apps scan) I aligned both scans in blender, and designed parts according it it and 3d printed and tested. But I will scan once again with your app for another test, with some diy scale and marking points. And video will be uploaded soon.
I haven t opened kiri engine since I got polycam. Polycam and realitycapture are the only ones you need. Rc for desktop, or polycam for faster results with lower quality. This is review is dishonest, you should be ashamed.
Hey Alex! Thank you for the comment, and I sincerely apologize if my video made you uncomfortable :( We designed the KIRI Engine with a different approach. We realize that no matter if a user would use an app or hardcore software for 3D scanning, if they are a serious users they need the 3D model to be in high-quality for the actual 3D pipeline, that's why despite KIRI Engine has a longer processing time, it is meant for the final result to be completely usable for 3D creation. And after all, the free version of KIRI Engine has more features, and the paid version is way cheaper, so why not try it out :)
Hey DragonballToys, thanks for the question! 3D scan result-wise, both devices have equally good results. But KIRI Engine on iPhone does have a better user experience than it is on iPad because we primarily designed KIRI Engine for phone, not for tablet
Amazing. I'm new to this. Could you kiri scan an entire car with the goal to accurately map mounting locations? I know you said the scale isn't set but could I set the scale on the 3d model by measuring set points on the car then applying that measurement to the set points in the 3d model? (I have an iphone with the lidar & am thinking about using freecad). Thank you for your awesome work!
It's kind of hard to scan a clean car body because of its shiny surfaces. But if you are looking at the mounting locations, I assume it's either a kind of dirty/rusting car or parts of a car? If so, KIRI Engine is up for the challenge. And yes, you can apply the measurement to the set point in software like fusion 360 afterward. And also, since you have an iPhone with LiDAR, also try our Object Capture under LiDAR Scan option, it will get you some clean results too :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997the mounting locations could be made dirty or perhaps sprayed with a matt paint that can be washed off. What about detail? If I scan a whole vehicle can I then move in closer and closer to the mounting points to get good detail in those areas? Sometimes they will be holes, sometimes channels with outer lipped edges etc. How mm perfect could these areas be scanned? Does Kiri deal with holes and pockets well?
@@sharpsticksnz4112 Hi! Thanks for the reply! If you can actually make the part dirty or put on matt spray to create more feature points, then you can get really accurate models that you wouldn't tell differences between KIRI app and the under-1000-dollar 3D scanners. And yes, if you can make enough feature points, you can take close-up photos to capture more details. Feel free to try out KIRI Engine app, it's free after all :)
I've tried the free version of KIRI with a model train and a model lighthouse. For the lighthouse, it made a mesh that was usable as a template to make the final product. I've tried three different model trains and it never seems to create even a usable template. I'm guessing trains are too long? Reflective?
Hi there! Thanks for the comment :) Yes, the reason you couldn't get a good model of the train is because they are reflective. I'd recommend putting some white powder on their surfaces to create more feature points, or you can also try our Featureless Object Scan, which is designed to scan featureless objects with the help of AI. Feel free to let me know how it goes by replying here :)
Will this be able to scan a clay sculpture I have made from the grey coloured SuperSculpey (medium)? Sizes may vary from 20 - 40 (or slightly more) centimetres.
Oh yes absolutely! Actually, I find KIRI Engine is really, really good at scanning clay sculpture, even with the free plan. You'll be amazed :) Feel free to let me know who it goes
Hey! Thank you for the comment, I don't want to disrupt the competition, and I'm only speaking from a 3D industry expert perspective of view. If you want your kids to learn 3D and to find a fun companion for their 3D printed toys, I think qlone can be a great choice because of its price and intuitive user interface, and in fact I think they are doing really great in education markets. But if you are looking for a productive tool to help improve your 3D workflow, I find qlone isn't really designed for that
Heyyy Slabua :) Thanks for comment, I knew someone would bring this up :) I think because KIRI Engine uses any smartphone, it really doesn't count as an extra cost
