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All these guys seem to be catching the ball really deep with a lot of flexion. There were a couple of check swings but not a single swing from any of these hitters.
You're correct, there were not any swings in this video. This is only showing called strikes because that's what the catcher can influence. If he swings it's a strike no matter where it is so those videos aren't very helpful at determining who has the best techniques.
Framing pitches is BS...any umpire that reacts to that should not be an umpire...it's where the ball crosses the strike zone...not where catcher catches DFIP
Bro that is true but remember teams do what they have to do in order to win even if it is to make the Ump think that the caught position of the ball is a strike even if it isn't.
Just something I noticed here, but Higashioka appears to have gone from traditional to one knee down entering the league. Now in 2024, he has switched back to traditional with the padres. Preference I guess? What are your thoughts?
I don't understand how this fools anyone. If you literally catch the ball, then move your hand 10-14 inches, it obviously wasn't a strike. Can the umps even see the glove from where they are standing?
You’re always moving your glove “10-14 Inches” because your glove starts in the ground. Whether it’s down the middle or not your glove goes ground up and umps can’t really see when u catch it in the one smooth motion. Whether it’s in the zone or not they always move it to their chest/ chin…
@@kylegarrett2844 They are moving the glove AFTER they catch the ball. It makes an obvious sound. Any movement after the sound is this so called "framing". You are right, I am not an umpire, and based on all of the bad umpire videos I have seen, along with how easy they are fooled by "framing", it seems they only let sub 90 iq people sign up.
I agree, but until then, it’s a hell of a skill. There’s a lot of manipulation of human error in baseball currently. They’ve eliminated a lot of it, but not all yet.
@@kennywiley768 just out of curiosity, what do you see as potential downsides? I get that it takes a human element out of the game, but I think some of the gravity of some of the blown calls make baseball more a game of chance than it should be.
People really think that moving your glove 16 inches into the middle of the zone after the ball hits your mitt is fooling the umpire when in reality, they're close pitches that bad umpires think are in the corner. Framing pitches like this makes you look like a jackass.
People don't really think that. It's just the consistency in mitt movement. There are very few "bad" umpires in the MLB, they didn't just get put there for nothing. I guess not being a "jackass" kept you from going pro too, right?
Framing does work. Exaggerated framing works if the ball is low. The catcher uses normal framing most of the time where he is only moving a few inches. The umpire gets used to small framing so when the catcher goes up to the top of the zone, it tricks the umpire into thinking the ball was higher than it actually was.
It really is a skill. Umps use a lot of different queues to determine ball or strike. The look as it comes down the mound, the location of the catchers mitt when the sound of the ball hits the mitt. It doesn’t always work, and part of the skill is knowing just how far to move it and where to move it to sell it or make the ump question himself, but until the virtual strike zone is established, it’s certainly a skill that has changed the outcome of games.
Catching instructor's comments here: CALM BODY HORIZONTAL GLOVE IN ALL ZONES BEATING BALL TO THE SPOT ONE MOVE TO THE ZONE SLIGHT ELBOW BEND IN ALL AREAS EXACT SAME LOOK FOR UMPIRE
This is great. As a HS coach, I have a head coach that isnt a fan of 1kd setups with runners on due to a perceived inability to throw from that setup. This is just one more tool for the box to get my receivers in the best possible position to keep strikes, but also give the boss that warm and fuzzy that we can still control the run game.
I’ve been working this with my guys for about 6 months now. They love the athletic freedom and it allows them to make late/quick/accurate decisions. We do talk about when this is appropriate in terms of the pitchers they’re working with. Lower levels need to trust the pitcher won’t pull something in the dirt armside. But the same as moving from a standard 1KD to a kickstand position during delivery to get better access to the bottom of the zone, “hybrid”ing into the traditional stance when the runner goes seems to let the catcher be more dynamic in their setup and effective in their movements.
You're right, there are a lot of things to consider. I don't have any stats to back this up, but it seems like it happens more on FBs than on breaking balls. When the C knows a FB is coming he has a little more freedom to shift around.
That would make sense. Yeah I’m sure there’s not much collective data on this. Catching data still seems highly correlated to the result not the process. It’s the behind-the-scenes. In what you’ve seen then on breaking balls do the catchers just work through their KD transfers and throws?
I don't want to make any claims because I haven't seen any data to back that, but I think on breaking balls the shifts would need to happen much later. There are plenty of guys that throw out of 1KD stances so that may give me a new project, ha!
They seem to have an even easier time throwing by transitioning from a 1 knee to the traditional stance than they would if they had just started in the the traditional stance. When starting in the traditional stance you can't fully sell out on the runner going and mus stay more square in order to block, here though, they are only transitioning BECUASE the runner is going so they are basically selling out and getting staggered into an almost pitch-out position and getting their throw off even faster. Interesting!
I have not seen any statistics on this as it would be almost impossible to track league wide. But, I agree, these guys are doing it because they know it gives them an advantage.
