@@zkte if that's true, then team grimoire fits better my preferences in this genre. btw, idea of "hardcore" is 180+ bpm and hardstyle/hardcore kick's if they're not distorted, then it's hard techno or other genre.
@@Methosu well in j-core at least, there are a lot of subgenres that aren't even hard (happy hardcore and whatever redalice makes). but yeah, that's more of hard techno