You cannot generalize Canon color using only one model like the R5 and simply declare that Canon color is poor compared to the X2D because the R5 color is poor. Anyone that is experienced with Canon knows that different models render skin tones differently. Also, this could simply be a white balance issue. When I find my cameras render skin too green (like Nikon), I add a permanent magenta shift to my auto white balance and set and forget. Skin tones come out perfectly for the life of the time I own the camera.
@2:20 So you opened Canon file in Adobe and Hasselblad in native piece of software? Can you do opposite and open Canon file in DPP and Hasselblad in Adobe instead? If you doing these tricks then at least post some RAWs here👎👎👎
I've opened the Canon file in DPP and it's a little enhanced, more or less the same. I've opened Blad files in ACR / LR editor (both the same) and they simply aren't as good. I've been attempting to open both files in their best raw converters, and it appears I could've done a bit better with the R5 file - but now I've checked it out, there's not actually much in ACR vs DPP.
Very interesting comparison. didn't expect such big differences. Is it more camera side or on the lens side? Or ist that just fact that RAW is not really RAW but allready heavily processed by the internal optimization. So the last one is really my best guess, which leads to the proposal to extend the comparison to more camera brands (Sony, Nikon, Panasonic and of course my beloved Pentax) perhaps a test in laboratory conditions with a standardized subject Diorama with some charrts colour and greyscale, with standardized lightsources. If i remeber right ther was allready a comparison between some brands, and the Canon was always way off the others.
Apples and oranges. The picture out of both cameras is not straight off the sensor. Both cameras measure the charge on each pixel well and convert that to a digital number through an AD chip. There is further processing of the digital numbers as the RAW image is assembled by the software in the camera. Yes, the medium format has more pixels so there is more fine detail (should be for 8 grand) If you don't like the hue, chroma and value coming from the R5 then pre-apply a base adjustment in photoshop to each frame from the R5 as it loads, to make it look closer to the medium format, on average. Given you have different lens lengths, different image assembly routines, and different software for each of the two this is a subjective test of which image you like, more than a comparison. And yes, the Hassy makes a beautiful image.
After seeing your comparison, I do prefer the Hasselblad color rendition. But your conclusion in the end, that the colors of the Hasselblad are more natural, is based on what apart from your impressions? Maybe if you used Canon DPP4 your conclusion would be different. The problem with these comparisons is that it is very difficult to reach a scientific valid result. Too many variables to control. Cheers!
This is the funny thing. Until I posted this video I didn’t even know there was a proprietary canon raw processor - and I’ve been using canon since 2006. 😅 and you’re right, there are a lot of variables. But we attempt to answer the question I suppose. 👍🏻
These are digital cameras. They don’t have colours. They have whatever you decide they ought to have when you process the RAW file. Programs like LR take the presets the camera was set for in order to produce the jpg thumbnail in the RAW file. BUT YOU DONT NEED TO STICK TO THAT!
Absolutely wrong method used. Canon + ACR (Adobe Color) is bullshit combination. Canon RAW must and always should be process with Canon DPP to get True Canon Colours.
I’m learning a lot today..! I’ve been using Canon for years and I’ve never once used their own raw converters. At this point wouldn’t it be sensible for them to hand the profiles over to the major raw converters? Its how 95% of canon users will see these files: in LR or C1.
@@PhilTragenyou can buy 3rd party profiles, like the colorfidelity ones that get the result very close to what DPP4 will give you. The M6II/90D/R7 images in Adobe software show my kids zombie grey, with the colorfidelity profiles they look a lot healthier :) I have set LR to apply those on import, so it’s no extra work after the initial setup.
It’s alright saying that one should use Canon’s raw converter but what working pro has got time to process in that and then export as Tifs into LR or C1? I would suggest very few … The reality is that most of use one of Adobes profiles and then get it to where we want (that’s where accuracy in monitor calibration comes in etc).
Yep, this is it. I’ve edited the video description to include that I’ve now ran my Canon files through DPP and it’s a bit better sure. But not enough to write home about. And you’re right, that software isn’t anywhere good enough on its own to justify adding it into the workflow.
Hello, I came across your video by coincidence. I own multiple cameras from various brands including the R5 and the X2D. It’s nothing to do with the camera itself.., it’s the RAW support that’s provided by for eg LR or CaptureOne Pro which we use for RAW file processing. They create the profiles for the raw files & not the camera brands themselves.. On the other hand native raw conversion softwares either Canon or Hasselblad in this case do their best to process their own raw files. However Fujifilm and Nikon have shared their colour tech with Captureone and when you use these cameras you can select their respective colour profiles as an option besides what the software has to offer on their own. Last one is how you have set your white balance on your camera. So all these kind of comparisons this brand vs that brand on third party softwares are technically invalid. That’s the truth.
Canon has a paid raw conversation software and I think they depend on it for making extra revenue. Sad bit is that not much of the industry use it. They might as well open their tech so they have many more happy customers.
Phocus does the best job of interpreting the Hasselblad files though. As for the Canon files it seems like much of a muchness to me. There are going to be fundamental differences in how the cameras see colour though - 16 bit vs 14 bit etc etc.
@@PhilTragen The word "interpreting" is doing all of the heavy lifting here, though. The difference in those skin tones and colour gradients have nothing to do with an extra two bits of quantisation that's down in the thermal noise of these sensors anyway (and you can't see it on your 8 or 10 bit monitor regardless)
What do you think of Nikon Zf? Do people use the dedicated shutter and ISO dials on the Zf or just get it for the look and end up just use the front and rear dials more which means the Z6III will make more sense with the better grip and even better EVF even let say you just want to use a small lens on it? Is Hasselblads X2D fun to shoot with or just like any shoot with a computer experience like any other mirrorless? I shoot for fun, art, contest and gig if possible tho I haven't done yet, my plan is to get that lens with Zf ith the 28-400mm and a Sony Xperia 1 VI phone (26,24,48,85-170, 2X macro) to be always with me waterproof and macro camera, down the line I might get the 14-30 and Voigtländer 50mm F1 if I want to maximize what I can get from wider shots and also when I need boleh which is rare time but that manual lens and aesthetic of the lens is nice! Hope they make a yellow leather of Zf soon! 💛
I shoot M9 and M240 and Pixii A2572 mostly along with the X2D. From the first day I was convinced that the X2D was the hands down winner across the board. It costs a ton. You get your moneys-worth. Thanks for the vid.
It wasn’t until Manny Ortiz compared the X2D to a range of full frame cameras that I noticed how much Canon and Nikon skew green. This video confirms it. I wonder what the Leica SL3 files look compared to the Hasselblad but my guess is that the HNCS beats the Leicas. We live in incredible times.
Again, a very useful video from you that wastes no time, which is welcome. From an editorial standpoint, I'd suggest a follow-on video processing the Hasselblad in Lightroom. I'm also an X2D user and would vastly prefer doing everything from ingest to export in LR. Staying in LR for ingest, cataloguing, editing and output is vastly preferable to involving Phocus---as long as color rendition is comparable. Adobe now says it is. I'd love to see that tested. Production-wise, I'd again suggest ditching the subtitles.
Will look into this stuff- I’m still a bit suspicious of non-Phocus colour processing even though I’d much rather use Lightroom. As for the subs, I made them smaller for you. 😅
from a pro commercial standpoint you would avoid ACR raw with all circumstances. hassi- > phocus and canon -> capture one. Skin tones and color rendering are the main reason to avoid the adobe raw conversion. in advertising and fashion there is only capture one and phocus... ok even hasselblad seams a bit weird, with their new focus on rich men with their new x system.
Yesterday I took a photo of the passport at home and used x2d + 55v and a7rv + 85mm. After comparing the two images I've realized that the distortion for faces on the 55v it's too much. I started to think about selling 55v and using only 90v, I have both. And maybe buy 28P in the future.
I've adapted some Leica and Voigtlander lenses to mine, which work very well (with the electronic shutter, of course). And don't forget the older XCD lenses, which are still exceptional. I had the 45P (I just sold it), but I still have the 80 1.9 and 35-75.
Hey man, nice video about the 55v, speaking about you as a self employed photographer, do your clients needs a logo or some illustration works? I'm a freelance designer and looking for more works, do you have some works to offer me? :-)
Can't you just bump up the shutter speed past 1/80th to catch action shots in manual mode ... or is the auto focus that poor? I shoot Leica now and deal with this issue.
I'm sure someone somewhere can get action shots on this thing. I'm probably spoiled from the Canon side but the x2d literally doesn't have continuous focus, so it's either standing still, or you're focusing manually.
lightroom handles the highlights the shittiest way from all. Capture one is way better for that, but it has artifacts, like a jpg. Nothing is perfect! :)
As a Pro using 2 X2D's and the 907XCFV100c - we can confirm that Hass is a significant improvement in ergonomics over the old H6D100c which we loved - but the new X series does not compare image wise - you just can't beat that sensor - not even Phase One which we used to own - however the new 2.5mm lenses are extraordinary; we have two of each and the 38mm is permanently strapped to the 907 -and can often be found shooting down overhead - interestingly the 90mm showed more than double the NITs in a test to any other lens previous tested - it is therefore recorded to be the sharpest lens in the world - now can we have zooms please Hass - agree the 55mm is the ONE to have
@@PhilTragen The image sensor is near to Full Frame on the Ha6D100c at 645 whereas the H6D50c is 50% smaller and gives a 1.3x Crop CMOS, 50 megapixels (8272 × 6200 pixels, 5.3 × 5.3 μm) CMOS, 100 megapixels (11600 × 8700 pixels, 4.6 × 4.6 μm) Sensor dimensions 50 = 43.8 x 32.9mm 100 = 53.4 x 40.0mm ISO on H6D100 is 64 -(same as Hass X series) however Hass don't stock any spares or offer service for the H's now- so we switched to X2D and 907X - its a much less capable system, also smaller but faster lighter and more agile.
I wish it focused closer. I love doing close ups of flowers, coffee mugs, my daily walk type of photography. This is a dream combo for me other than that though. I use a Sony a7cr with 35mm f1.4gm lens and it focuses pretty close. good everyday camera setup. The files are nice but not Hasselblad nice, I miss the color my x1dii had. cheers!
The 43.5mm full-frame equivalent "normal" focal length is very nice for general use, that's for sure. And it's not too long or too heavy. If you could only get one lens, I can see why a lot of people might pick that one.
Using the X2D mostly for fashion and beauty. Coming from the H6D, this is so much smaller and easier to use for all day shoots. I love the 55 and the 90, but I also hang onto my HC120 macro lens. That’s an amazing lens for portraits. It renders gorgeously on an X2D sensor.
@@RamonVaqueroImage the focus of the HC120 on an X2D (or X1D) is much slower compared to the native XCD120. I personally use it most of the time in MF mode, so it doesn’t matter that much. Technically the XCD120 is also a bit sharper compared to the HC120. However, for a portrait lens ultimate sharpness is less of a factor. To me, rendering and tonality are more important. The HC120 has plenty of that. I can imagine though, that if you own neither of them, you would buy the XCD when looking for a 120mm. Having said that, HC lenses are now sold at relative low prices, when you buy them pre-owned.
@@PhilTragen thanks! Insurance is a great thing too! Something like 7 dollars a month to cover against theft, accidental damage, or even forgetting it somewhere.
All of what you say about the 55V is true. I have the lens, bought it for the same reasons, get the same results and find it a great all around lens. The detail is so good it can be blown up/cropped making it a psuedo-tele. The color and IQ are just great with the X2D XCD 55V combo. Yes, it seems a very good starting point. You covered it all, Cheers.
Very kind, thanks! Even so I need that 90v to show up - for lifestyle work it's just a bit easier composing it on a frame more closely resembling 60mm than 40mm. It'll show up eventually. :')
My issue with this lens is for the newer glass for the x system the 90mm is impossible to get and the 55 is basicaly a wide angel I Dont think needing to crop your photos in for Headshots or anything kinda close makes a lot of sense personally sure on occasion its fine but as all around lens if they made a actuall equivalent then id buy one bit its like a kinda standard kinda wide oddball lense.I truly would love the 90 and ill prob sell the 80 and if i can get the 28 ill sell the 30 but another impossible one.I currently have the 80 1.9 & 135mm & 30mm XC Lens for my X2D For my H6 I HAVE THE 30,80,100,120,150,210 for my R5 Canon i have the RF 24-105 RF 70-200 2:8 & RF 85 1.2 plus a EF 50mm 1.8
You've got every lens under the sun! I did think about the 80 1.9 but it doesn't have the face detect capability the XCD ones do. But then for some reason when tethering to Phocus, none of the lenses do. :')
Great review, those colours are beautiful. Today by chance I wrote two lists-all the GFX focal lengths and Hasselblad focal lengths to see which lenses would make a 2 or 3 lens landscape kit. The Hasselblad 55V was the first lens on my wish list. I had a Bronica PG 80 f3.5 lens with my GS-1 film camera (40mm equivalent). I miss that lens so much, I sold more photos taken with it than any other lenses, so agree 100% that a "relaxed 50mm" is an excellent choice as an all-round lens, but of course another 1 or 2 lenses would make a fantastic kit. For headshots, I personally prefer focal lengths of about 85-100mm (Full frame equivalent), the distortion is really noticeable, even when framing big and cropping in with the 55V. Now I just have to work out how to pay for Hasselblad lenses and camera.
I agree cropping into the 55 is a workaround - with portraiture it’s a bit too wide for upright shapes but the landscape shapes feel pretty nice. I’ve got a 90v on the way sometime, so I reckon that’ll take over that side of things.
@@PhilTragen Oh wow, that 90V looks great and cropping in a little on that would be perfect for head and shoulder shots. Look forward to your review on that one :)
Hi there Alain - have the 55 and the 28. The 90 is on order and I’ll figure out how to pay for that when it arrives! The 55 is an excellent all purpose lens though.
Thanks for your response @@PhilTragen! That's makes for great set then, giving you all the options for reportage and portrait photography. Indeed the lenses (except the 28mm) are very expensive and backordered everywhere.
Definitely get the 90v. I ordered mine on release day, and waited more than a year for it. But my oh my is it good, the best lens I have ever owned, and not only for its optical qualities, also the manual focus clutch and the function ring is a joy. I did a first impressions video on my Key2adventure channel, and will soon be doing a long term review video.
I think the gfx series seem very capable but I made my choice when I compared two raw files side by side and the X2D just had more punch SOOC. The x2d doesn’t have continuous focus which isn’t great, but it does have leaf shutter lenses which is great news for anyone who does flash lit portraits outdoors. I’ve got my r5 if I need an all-rounder - for the best possible looking picture though, it’s the x2d for me.
