Bernard has a skewed understanding of the Trinity of three separate entities with separate minds, wills, and actions. This is not trinitarian and anybody saying that it is would be incorrect.
God is one, and his name is Jesus. For their is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, The Lord is one! Therefore, if the children of Israel know there's God, it is only one. Why do you people still don't believe that there is only one God. God is Manufested 1Timothy 3:16.
Isaiah 45: [5] I am the LORD, and there is "NONE" else, there is "NO" God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: [ 6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is “None Beside Me”. I am the LORD, and there is None Else..… . . . If you worship Jesus, and he's not God, you are committing sin.
Jesus is not Baptist, Anabaptist, Seventh-day Adventists, LDS, Catholic, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Apostolic, Denominational, Non-Denominational, Mormon, Muslim, Buddha, Hindu, or any other Man-Made Religion.. Jesus is the “WAY” - The Only “WAY” ! .. This life comes with one guarantee We All Die ! Ready or Not ? Heaven or Hell Choose Wisely !
The problem with arguing with nonsensical trinitarians is they offen quote books like Mathew and Mark which are untrustworthy accounts of the ministry of Christ. Mathew and Luke copied from Mark, who was himself a follower of Paul, who he himself had seen Cephas (Peter), and James (brother of Jesus). Why does Pauls work survive and the only crucial thing we know about peter is someone elses account that he somehow founded the church in Rome and died there (zero historical accounts on this)? Paul gives a lot of evident details that Cehphas (Simon, Peter, Rock) is not all that the Latin Christians wish he was. The 1st and 2nd Peter in NT were infact hoaxes.
Is not the crux of this whole issue that God was IN Jesus, not that Jesus was God. God is in Jesus like He is in us, when we love Him and obey Him. The difference with Jesus is, because he is sinless, he manifests Him totally. We manifest Him in part to the world when we love, and obey Him. This is why when Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17:21 he asks that the disciples may also share in the oneness Jeus has with the Father. [21] "that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us". Is this not spiritual talk, spiritual oneness he is speajing of. Did that prayer ask for the disciples to be made God? Of course not. These are spiritual matters. It could be said of Jesus "the Fullness of God dwelled bodily" because of his complete obedience and love of God, and resultant sinlessness. To see Jesus is to see the essence of God - Love. God IN Jesus is like water in a glass. The water, isn't the glass. The water is IN the glass, but it can be "seen" because the glass is transparent and shows it, reveals it, manifests it. I can't believe that people have argued for over 2,000 years about what seems to me such a simple spiritual teaching. If you read the scriptures in the spirit of the language used in the day, it is not difficult at all. I think the stumbling block over the centuries has been that people have tried to understand a SPIRITUAL CONCEPT IN A FLESHY AND LITERAL WAY. And missed the whole point. God SHOWED Himself in Jesus, revealed Himself, AS WE ARE CALLED TO DO. To make Him seen and experienced in this world. The bible clearly teaches in numerous places that Jesus was a MAN who manifested God. No where does it mention a God/Man or a dual nature in Jesus. No where does the early church get taught it in Acts. A manifest, like for a ship, is to SHOW what's on board. To make seen. Paul makes it very clear, especially when he says there is one mediator between God and man, "the man" Jesus Christ. Would he have not said the God/man, or explained they are of "one being". Is it not a spiritual oneness being stressed here? When we love, we manifest God. If we were sinless like Jesus we would also be manifesting God fully. Sadly we aren't, and hence we don't always manifest Him, but Jesus lived a sinless life on Earth, in total obedience and oneness with God's plan and purpose, hence it could be said he manifested God. God was dwelling IN Him because of his love. We are also called to do this. Jesus is our model. When we love, God abides in us. Because Jesus obeyed completely he could also say the Father and he are one. It is spiritual talk, spiritual oneness. Anything else is just flesh and of no real importance. But people are trying to understand this spirit realm in fleshy terms. And failing terribly because they are barking up the wrong tree. Arguments and philosophies about 3 beings and one being and trinities etc, it's all fleshy talk, and the mess goes on. God seen in Jesus the man. Hear oh Israel, the LORD is our God, the LORD is one. Keen to know people's thoughts.
The Baptist didn’t wont to say Jesus when David Barnard asked what name is above heaven and earth where you must be saved. Than he smirked about. He will never have the revelation until he is Baptized in Jesus Name.
Whether Trinity or Oneness, both deny that Jesus was a distinct being, separate from Almighty God his father. Jesus says himself that he has a God, in John 20:17, and Rev 3:12. He calls unto his God in Matt 27:46. And Paul and Peter write about him having a God in 2 Cor 11:31, Eph 1:3&17, and 1 Pet 1:3. This prevents him being just another manifestation of God, as taught with Modalism. It also goes against Trinity teaching, as one person of the Trinity cannot be the God of another of the persons.
Both debaters misunderstood everything. .. Father is the only true God and Jesus (pbuh) is only his prophet and servant.. John 17:13 Now this is eternal life, that they may know You(Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. Mark6:4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” Act3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His SERVANT JESUS Alhamdulillah for the blessings of Islam.. Allah has saved Muslims from endless confusions... May Allah guide all sincere Christian brothers and sisters... Ameen..
Gods throne is in heaven. When the world was created, the One God who is a Holy Spirit, spoke through His Word. They are 3 but 1. A body of water. A part of it can be an ice or iceberg. And there is also water vapor that eyes can not see coming from the water and ice. And it will come back again in a form of a rain. They are all H2O. They are 3 in 1.
Worthless debate in the eyes of God. All answer in John 1:1 Will Jesus ask in the day of our appointment with Him, ' Are you trinitarian?Are you oneness?
Tertulian coined the term, and the trinity was created by the Roman Catholic Church in the first council of Nicea in 300ad. If you asked the apostles what they thought about the trinity, they would say what trinity? They didn’t teach or know of a said trinity.
👉👉REVELATION 5:8 Jesus, the one mediator, receives the prayers of the saints which are offered to him. This scripture is in both the Catholic AND protestant versions of the bible, yet is ignored by protestants. Here's a few more scriptures they ignore: ➨ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS IN THE BIBLE ...INCLUDING BIBLICAL PROOF that SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: The Protestant claim that we are forbidden to speak to / pray to Mary and the saints is NOWHERE in the Bible. In fact, the following scriptures were copied (by me) directly from the Protestant version of the Bible: ... ➨INTERCESSION of a holy person on our behalf: ● JOB 42:8 8 Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and GO TO MY SERVANT JOB, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and MY SERVANT Job SHALL PRAY FOR YOU, FOR I WILL ACCEPT HIS PRAYER NOT TO DEAL WITH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FOLLY; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. ➨INTERCESSION of MARY: ● JOHN 2:1 At the wedding feast at Cana, it was Mary who asked Jesus to help the wedding party. ➨The KING Honours his mother's request: ● 1 KINGS 2:20: Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.” (Jesus is the Greatest King and he also honours his mother's requests) ➨INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS: ● REV 5:8 The prayers of the Saints are offered to Jesus the lamb. SAINTS ALSO WORKED MIRACLES: ➨ JOHN 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. ➨ PAUL RAISES A MAN FROM THE DEAD: ● ACTS 20:7-12 9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead. 10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.20: ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ➨SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: AND THEIR INTERCESSION IS BIBLICAL: They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) ● MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. ● LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" ● REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. ● 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. ● JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. ● LUKE 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. ● LUKE 9:30-31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. (Moses & Elijah were alive, and were yalking with Jesus) ● REV 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) ● HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ● MATT 17:1-13 ...At the Transfiguration of Jesus, he is seen speaking to Moses and Elijah, further showing that Holy ones of God are not among the dead. ● JUDE 1:14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints
Someone wanted to prove pre-incarnate Jesus by quoting the verse. “I saw you fall Lucifer like lightning.!” Jesus was quoting Isaiah 14:12 how you have fallen MorningStar ! Trinitarians go to extremes to try to prove the Trinity!!! I guess Satan wanted to be the fourth member of the trinity Isaiah14:14 I will make my throne among the stars! Luke10:17-18 …. the 72 or amazed that they can drive out demons in Jesus name! Jesus replied & is proclaiming Satan’s defeat! Hebrews1:5-6 God is prophesying he will bring a Son! For Trinitarian’s, God doesn’t know he has a son already from eternity pass! God is ONE the carnal number one not a group of one!
