This list was based off the questions I've been asked the most. Surprisingly most people I've talked with haven't had any questions or worries about that. I agree that that's a good topic though, definitely safer to ride on a track than on the road!!! Enjoy your first!
@@workingclasscustoms really you don't get that question? I'm impressed, when I talk to people here in Mexico is usually either the cost or the safety of the event. I really enjoy your content so keep up
@@ricardomorales1039 most of the questions I get about safety come from non riders but the people with bikes usually don't bring that subject up. Thank you!!
I was told years ago to do a trackday, my biggest regret is not doing it as soon as I got my first bike! Who knows where I’d be now?!? Thinking about doing one… or not… DO IT!
I'm actually shopping for my first bike, and let's just say right now I wouldn't even be able to ride it if I had it in public that is 😂 but I can on the TRACK! So I'm going to try and get as much track time as possible before I even get out on the road...
@@ExcelleratedOG sounds like a great idea. I can tell you now that you’ll learn more in one or two Track days than you would and years of writing on the street.
There does seem to be a strong reluctance among sport bike riders to do trackdays. As far as I can tell, I'm the only one of 40 odd riders of my local group who has done a trackday. I find it all very depressing, as I used to live in Northern California and it seemed half of the riders had done at least one trackday. There's a culture, you know?
The excuse you don't hear is the elephant in the room. Most people think motorcycle riders are cray cray. Track day with double digit speeds is insanity to them. Most won't admit they're scared to death of it. Shit Talker Walker has more excuses than Carter has liver pills.
Hastings Nebraska is only 7 hours away from the west side of South Dakota and is more than worth the trip. You should hit Hastings on your way across the country and check it out.
Other things to consider, check with the track you are riding to see if they have db/noise limits (many private tracks have db limits). Some orgs/tracks do not allow helmet mounted cameras and if you mount a camera to your bike it must be safety wired. If you can afford a vest, wear one. Never ceases to amaze me how many people ride today with no vest external or internal. Your medical bills will be way more money than your bike repairs in a crash.
Went to the Bike master balancer website watched the video on the balancer you should watch this video especially where the location of the round collar is located on the shaft.Helps keep the cones centered.Hope this helps.
Dude, I'm 41 now. I've been riding for 20 yrs now, i own a '23 RSV4 (unnecessary at my skill level but fkt it) and haven't gone on a track day. I've actually been thinking that it's time to stop riding(daily commute on it) because i have a kid now but listening to you talk about bikes has somewhat renewed my interest in riding on track. I'll look around and see what i find here in soCal.
So the cones go into the hub lock them down with the set screw then take the round ones and space them outside the wheels of the balancer lock them down on the shaft proceed to balance..That is the correct way to set up?
The easiest way of dealing with tall bikes is to borrow a dual-sport bike for a few hours and practice tip toeing around with it. Once you've had that skill mastered (and it might take you just 20 minutes instead of my couple of hours) then that's it; you'll always have that skill. I almost feel the answer to every bike problem is "ride a dirt bike". I've ridden with short people who have dirt bike experience, and they all handle tall bikes just fine.
Live by - oil is cheap engines are expensive 😅 This is a nice refreshing content as usually there's 2 extremes - change oil once per season and the other is top racing level where oil might be changed even after each session 😆Good effort 👌
Definitely gotta be a good mutual point where you're not using up all your money on oil, but you're still treating the engine well enough to keep it alive for a normal life.
I am only just beginning to learn about the "geometry" side of racing. The people that know far more than I ever will talk about 2mm makes a noticeable change..... really don't think I'll be at that level but, it sure would be nice to work with someone who is at that level and wants to help. Good information, thanks for sharing. Huge congrats on hitting 1k subscribers!!! 😎👊 Keep yourself safe! 😃👍❤🏍🏁 Randy
Thanks Randy!! It's hard to tell the difference in small changes when we're still at a "lower" level of riding, I find myself asking all the time how people can tell the difference in .5 psi tire pressure still. But overtime I have noticed that small changes to become more noticeable as I start to brake down the things I am feeling out there while riding.
@@workingclasscustoms Agreed, the more I strive to progress and push my skills the more sensitive I get to the feedback my bike is giving me. My coach(es) has told me since I started riding the track that learning the basics/fundamentals to the point they become subconscious and I will "free up band width" in my brain to be able to pay attention and be sensitive to the stuff that is most important and will be the biggest help with riding faster and safer......always more to learn. 😉
Toprak is just simply animal! Bulega did a good job in his first year. Another story is how Bulega or Ducati managed to complete 10 laps on qualifying tires, which are supposed to be unusable after 3 laps! I know that Ducati has the best electronics on the grid. In fact, it’s even better than the MotoGP Ducati in terms of electronics because MotoGP has regulation about it. Also, I don’t think Toprak would have let Bulega pass if Bulega had attempted to overtake him in the earlier laps. Toprak had no idea that Bulega would attack in the last corner, so he wasn't expecting that move.
There is no such thing as "too often" when it comes to oil changes. As a racer, track day advanced group rider and street rider, here is why i say what i say. I arrive at every event with fresh oil 1. Engine oil is the single most important maintenance item for the longevity of the engine and performance. All engines experience continual performance degredation over the lifetime of the parts. 2. The mfg recommendations are for street riding, not racing. If you have much experience racing you will know the huge difference in the abuse you are putting on that engine compared to the street riding. 3. The metal in your oil will speed up engine wear. 4. The metal in your oil indicating higher wear may present you with enough reason alone to change more often. This should be a red flag to you regardless of the other analyzed factors you presented. 5. My very frequent oil changes are done to preserve the most performance possible through the life of the engine. It is not done to avoid "blowing up" the engine. 6. Have you ever seen brand new natural oil after 1 track day? It goes from golden to dark black. My current 2015 r1 racebike uses synthetic oil and although this oil has a longer life than natural mineral oil there is still a very noticeable difference in color after each 1, 2, or 3 day event. The racers i compete with and against change their oil between each event.
As far as engine health, I don't think there is such a thing as "too often" but when it comes down to the cost of an already very expensive sport I think there can definitely be some money saved on oil changes if you're doing them more often than needed. If you have the means and that's where you feel is best to spend them than I can't argue with that.
afik the R9 will be closer to the R6 in terms of its frame, geometry, rigidity, etc. Thankfully it will not be just a mt09 with fairings, otherwise I don't think it would be as competitive. R7 on the other hand was largely a mt07 with fairings and some extra supporting parts. I was on the a R9 wait list over a year ago, but then it was delayed and I bought my R6 🤪
It'll definitely be interesting to see 1. Where does it start racing in Moto America 2. If it's the start of the big changes that we can be expecting from all manufacturers over the next decade or so, definitely an interesting topic!! Hopefully the riding style is a little more aggressive and racey, definitely excited to see what it's like out on track!!
Ugh, I didn't watch the whole episode, just the R9... But I feel the R9 is targeted towards someone like me, one who does commuting and trackdays, but isn't THAT interested in anything beyond supersport power. And might want to avoid bikes that are bought by riders who crash a lot, thereby keeping insurance rates low. The lack of engine performance (as if 120 hp could be considered low!) is a bonus. Interestingly, I did track my XSR900 at Barber. I was slow, bottom of novice but got much faster as the day progressed, and the electronics are such a game-changer for novice riders such as me. I saw three highsides in front of me by riders who didn't have TC bikes.
It's definitely targeted for more sales, and the big HP bikes are not selling well anymore compared to what they used to. I think it's definitely an awesome platform and does offer a lot for the price and a very well rounded package!!
As if "a Mt09 with fairings" is a bad thing. The Mt09 is one of the best bikes for its price. Its been absolutely loved for years and its still loved. I couldn't think of a better streetbike then a mt09 with clip-ons and wind protection.
I own my "dream bike", Kawasaki ZX10R. "Best" sportbike??? Nope, but it's still my dream bike and I own it. Makes me smile every time I throw a leg over it whether I'm riding it to work or on the track. With that said, with all these new "next gen" bikes coming out how will it/does it affect racing in general??? For me personally I am "old school" and would like to see the "basic" class divisions such as 250/400/600/750/1000 but, whatever it is that will generate more interest/participation in this great sport I'm all for it. .....except e-motorcycles, just say no. 🤦🏻♂ Thanks for another podcast and keep yourselves safe! 😃👍❤🏍🏁 Randy
Some good insight Randy! It is important to remember that if the new bikes bring in more riders and help keep the sport alive than that is what's best. Definitely gonna be an interested decade coming up as all these changes start to set in!!
The R9 will run in supersport next year in MA. It’ll fall under the next gen rules. I think it’s pretty amazing for the price point and way too many are hating on it thinking it’s just an mt-09 with fairings and it’s not even close. Same power as an r6 with 20-25 foot pounds more torque. Sounds like a fun bike to me! I think in race bodywork with an aftermarket exhaust, this thing will look amazing!!!
@@vr46nh69bs11 good info to know! Definitely a lot of bike for the price, especially considering the electronics and what not that they added. I think personally being the R9 I just had it closer to the R1 in my head.
@@vr46nh69bs11 looking at it from that angle I definitely see what you're saying! I think I'm just a little sad still that the world seems to be downsizing from the formidable superbikes I've come to know and love. But once again, at that price it's a hell of a package!! And a more controllable (due to better power delivery) and more torquey R6 does sound quite fun!!
@@workingclasscustoms I think you just have to be in this sport pretty deep to spend 15+ k on a bike that honestly scares that crap out of most mortals. If your an outsider looking in, that R7 type of bike is doable for most. Without new riders joining in, this R9 might be the new liter for the future which does definitely suck. Gotta get kids to put down the games and their stupid phones and come ride and really live
@@vr46nh69bs11 that's what I've been saying for a minute now! No one knows real adrenaline anymore and is content getting a short dopamine high from a fake video game. Hope on a 200+HP bike and rip the throttle less than halfway, I think the standard person today would bounce their heart right out of their chest from the jump they'd get.
If you've never had on a 1 piece suit. Your giong to swear it's to small. Take a breath. It's fresh,stiff new. Move around a bit. Leather streaks about 10%. It's going to adjust to you a bit. It's a super expensive purchase. Take a minute. Don't ask me how I know this.
Take into account that you're oiling not just the pistons/cylinders but also the gearbox/transmission and clutch. Having trashed an engine by tracking the bike and not changing the oil enough I would err on the side of caution and change more often. There's a great video by The Motor Oil Geek that's worth a watch... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2-ECI5uK9eE.html
@@MrBCRC that is a good point, bikes do get tricky with the clutch transmission and engine all sharing the same sump. I'll definitely check this video out!
@NHlocal 2 different items here. Concerning trackdays. We run 3 groups A B C You can sign up for whatever one you feel is right for you no bump required. If control riders see someone obviously in the wrong group they will move you but there is no official “bump” process Racing is different. Everyone starts novice/Amateur (yellow numbers). If you finish in the top 3 for the season in certain classes you will be bumped to expert (white numbers) Additionally you can petition the club to move to expert and give your reasons why for their review.
Maybe I didn't hear it but, do you all have a clear "standard" you have to meet to get "bumped" up to white plates??? Up here in New Hampsha' our race org has specific lap time standards set for bumping from Novice to Amateur and from Amateur to Expert. Also, if we aren't "safe" on the track will not get bumped even if we are running the faster times. Of course there's more to it but it works really good to keep us both safe and competitive. I have been racing in what we call the Super Street class which technically isn't racing but I am jumping into "real" racing as a Novice next season. Not sure if I can actually afford it yet but, I'm addicted and I'm doing everything I can to get out there on the track. Thanks for the great conversation and keep yourselves safe! 😃👍❤🏍🏁 Randy
I'll let Kohl come in and answer this officially but the rule book does have official guidance based off points earned and lap times. I'm not exactly sure if it's deeper than that, I believe most of the unsafe riding is cleared up during the NRC! Glad you're taking the plunge into racing next year, same as me!! Good luck with your season!!
The other problem is the way we, as trackday riders measure oil age. Some do km's but I specifically mean 'Trackdays per change'. Reminds me of the way my mum measures fuel consumption when she gets a new car. 'Fuel Tanks per week' - Now imagine seeing that fuel consumption sticker on a car yard near you. Anyway, Then, there are some very smooth and flowing tracks out there, with stingy track providers giving 4 sessions a day where the bike does not get stressed. On the other hand, there are track days where I got 9 sessions on stop, start Mario Cart Mushroom Cup Tracks, in either full WOT front wheel in the air, full brakes rear wheel in the air, pinging off 15,000RPM, 35' OAT and 110' Coolant Temp all day Not saying I disagree with your analysis, but it's always a very difficult topic to get right and with all the money we spend on our bikes, accessories, pads, suits, track days, accommodatation etc... we have to ask ourselves, by lengethening the oil change intervals, are we penny pinching in front of a freight train?
These are some great points, thank you for bringing them up! I definitely agree that measuring oil use by event is not the most accurate way, I think tracking hours would be a little better but that still doesn't change what you mentioned about some tracks being more demanding than others. I think for me the big reason was the math I did to measure money spent on oil changes vs a new engine because that's the reason I heard the most, but there is so much more that goes into life of an engine besides just giving it fresh oil.
when motors hit a million miles manufacturers have offered to purchase the vehicle back or exchange for a new one and they ask what the owner did during the million mile journey, and consistently they mention constant oil changes like 1k miles. you do you. prob be fine for 20 30 40 50 years or longer doing you 🧏♂️
That is some good info, I think on a bike there are also so many other things that can cause premature failure in an engine that even extremely frequent oil changes won't keep up with. It also gets interesting when you dig deeper into what different manufacturers consider "preventative" maintenance.
One thing to consider is the highest wear on a properly functioning engine is the first start after an oil change. After draining the oil, there is significant air in the system from the oil filter and the oil pickup and pump draining. It,s been tested, but I can''t remember where i saw the test. It was a fresh oil vs on time oil test on two engines. Both engines were low hours performance builds, one ford and one chevy both over 500 bhp and both fully broken in. It was all done engine out on a dyno.
@@WilliamSudek good thought and absolutely true, getting the system refilled after an oil change definitely means some moving parts without lubrication for that brief moment.
How could this even be tested? They take apart the engine and check for wear, fill it with oil, start it, and then check for wear again? I can’t imagine there would be any noticeable wear.
@@biscuit3755 They did an oil change, ran them to operating temp the drained the oil and sent it to be analyzed. Both the Ford and Chevy had significant bearing material in the new oil. I believe that they did both engines twice each to be sure that the results weren't erroneous. It was a year ago that I saw it and can't remember the exact details. But the oil that had many full power runs as they added more and more power with different carbs and fuel injection and superchargers up to around 600 bhp, all that running and moding didn't have any extra forbidden metal in the samples vs cold start on oil change. I can't remember if they tore down the engines at the end.
I disagree. Draining oil from bike does not take any more oil off the pistons, rings and cylinder walls than letting the bike sit with a full oil pan. When the motor is off all the oil sits in the oil pan and not in the cylinders with the exception of the residual and trapped oil coating the parts. Draining the oil from the oil pan does not affect the amount of oil on the pistons, cylinders, rings, crankshaft or rods
@@TopSpeedTommy when you drain the oil from anything, the pickup and part of the oil pump drain. That creates an air pocket that must purge. It's okay to disagree. But it doesn't mean you are right.))) there also isn't any way to fully fill up the oil filter. Also an air pocket. Air isn't the best lubricant for highly stressed main bearings. In the case of my Panigale, it's impossible to fill the oil filter even a little bit.
For 35$, I'll just put that the cost towards the oil change and do a visual inspection and good overall common sense. If you see metal shavings then what's the point 👉 🎉.
@@kcclontziv3056 that's an interesting point, and I don't totally disagree. Except that actual testing will show you a lot deeper detail and potential problems that the naked eye won't be able to see until they're much bigger issues.
2:16 “I don’t have a degree in oil” 😂 Just busting your balls hahaha. No hate! This is a great topic for a video. Was recently thinking about it myself. Really interesting results. Thanks for posting!
The rotella t6 thing is very interesting, I tried it once way back in the day and heard some "weird" noises. Don't honestly think they're related but didn't run it again after that.
Great information. I did the same with cycle gear so I could try on all the gear I’m decked out in sedici. The only thing I didnt like was the sedici boots due to fit. I went alpine stars for boots
The oil can be good but how about the aditives in it ? (protecting from more wear of the engine) i'll admit that some premium oils last longer and protect the engine better then the budget ones.
So, i got a question but not regarding the oil. Does the Aprilia have an overflow valve connected to the gas tank on the breather hose? Because if so i'd like to know what type because it obligated to have in Europe.
Another cool fact. Moto America race teams are chaining their oil in every bike daily on a race weekend. They will also change the oil after the race weekend before packing up the bike and change the oil after unpacking the bike (this bit I only know to be true for a few teams, but id imagine most teams are doing it this way).
Race teams definitely change their oil quite quite often, but it does also get a lot easier to make the decision to just go ahead and change it when the oil is provided by a sponsor.
@@dizzicz oil I'm still figuring out how often I actually want to. But in the past I usually went for every 6 track days. Brake fluid is once a season or once discoloration is obvious.
@@workingclasscustoms I'm with you on this topic. I've asked @makaylaGerald-f6x as it looks like that he is missing that all this is about the balance between performance and cost/time. Thank you for the video.
I know that you had a reason for leaving the fill cap on, but a good rule of thumb is to never drain anything until you have removed the fill cap. If that fill cap wont come off and you have drained it...thats a problem.
So, oil change frequency depends more on the type of oil used. The frequency manufacturers give you are based on regular use. Track use is not regular use for a street motorcycle. So you should absolutely be changing oil at a higher frequency if using factory recommended oil. Now, if you use a race oil like 300v, then you will need to change it even more often than that. It also depends on the climate that you run the bike in. Also depends on modifications to engine. There's a lot of factors to get the "correct answer," whatever that may be. The biggest factor in oil break down is heat. He will cause more issues than anything else. But, it also depends on the type of oil you are using yet again. I know what was recommended to me by motul for 300v on my 750. Around 1500 miles, or 500 miles on the track at sustained high rpms.
I think I agree now that the oil definitely needs changed more often when being used for track use and racing! The biggest question is how much more often and then why does everyone seem to overshoot that? The info you put about that reduced frequency is great!! Thanks for adding the information for everyone to see.
@@workingclasscustoms I do agree that people seem to change it much more often than needed. I think this video really nails down on that. I even see some people will change oil every track day but change the filter every other. Arguably, the filter is the more important thing to change.
@@androidoszpsz5873 300V does not last long in a race application. It loses viscosity in short order. I have been running it for years, and have sent it off for oil analysis twice now. At about 200-250 track miles (R6 here), the viscosity comes in under spec. I actually just recently decided I am going to switch to Castrol Actevo since I am changing oil so often anyways.
