Mills and Phelps-Roper still don't get it. There is an important role for respectful conversation between people of good faith in advancing the cause of protecting the rights of transgender people to live in safety and be treated with dignity. But those conversations are had between trans people and their families and friends. They're not had with hatemongers like J. K. Rowling and Anita Bryant. Natalie Wynn is right: Megan Phelps-Roper is waaay over-invested in the idea that hateful people can change, because she was a hateful person who changed, and because she hopes her hateful family will change in the future. But her experience is extremely atypical and not at all a good guide to what strategies will work to protect the people who are the targets of Rowling's firehose of bigotry. Turn off the spigot? That's naive to the point of being delusional. It's been a year since Mills and Phelps-Roper gave Rowling 6 or 7 hours to explain how her past experiences justify her views that trans people pose a sinister, authoritarian threat to children and to our society. Their entire framing was sympathetic to Rowling. They never once confronted her about the damage she is doing, or about the extreme and violent views of the people she is associating with, like anti-feminist and transgender eliminationist Kelly-Jay Keen-Minshull. And in that year, has there been any sign that the spigot is being closed? Quite the opposite - Rowling is now dabbling in Holocaust denial.

This is frankly annoying.

Well done sirs and zers...🎉

I see a hidden video in the Podcast playlist, is that Episode 2? Waiting for the drop on the next episode!

Here from The Gist