Dude you just said that that scene was filler. Is just BS filler bullshit Gohan Rage boost are just plot, nothing earned. Sure is fun, but there is the reason why Japan doesn't like Gohan and why he keeps getting power ups out of nowhere, with Goku it only happened once but with Gohan is constantly happening.
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Gohan has the most inconsistent power level in the whole show, largely because he got so many boosts long before he had the maturity to grow into them or the training to use them properly. Additionally, just like people often do in real life....I think we underplay the importance of personality here, and how much one's mindset can affect physical power and other abilities. Unlike Goku and Vegeta, who live for combat, Gohan is a gentle child who loves to read and make friends with animals. Add to this a severe dose of PTSD from nearly being killed by Raditz at age 5, given torturous training by Piccolo (who initially did so out of revenge), and almost killed again both by Nappa and Vegeta over the course of the Saiyan Saga, and there's no reason to assume his power level would be either consistent or predictable.
Yeah I agree with the massive boost Gohan got on Namek. But let's not include anime fillers in the discussion. Because that's how some people would think Goku SSJ3 was at the level of Buuhan ! And specially when this provide an information that is directly contradicted by events that happen just after. Which is Vegeta bitch slapping Gohan on earth !
Ok ngl Gohan going super saiyan and somehow beating Frieza MIGHT have worked out. Gohan is straight up an anomaly, so it would've been an asspull but it would've been sorta understandable. Something ain't right with that boy.
Something a lot of people don't seem to realize is that despite what guidebooks would have you believe, Super Saiyan isn't a consistent 50x multiplier. Goku's first transformation on Namek is a 50x multipler, but there's many times throughout the series that the form (yes, Super Saiyan 1) is a bigger or smaller multiplier than that. For instance, Goku vs Android 20 featured Goku weakened by the heart virus. Because of this, despite transforming into a Super Saiyan to gain an edge his power was actually dropping rapidly, weakening him to the point that before long he wasn't all that different from his base form and was too weak to fight anymore. Likewise, the various "Grade" forms all have different pros and cons, with the particular variation used by Future Trunks against Perfect Cell having a similar boost in power to Super Saiyan 2, but at the extreme downside of being too slow and bulky to hit an opponent due to attacks being too choreographed. Future Trunks actually surpassed Perfect Cell in raw power level while in Super Saiyan 1, but got punished regardless because of the downsides of that version of the form. Other canon examples of Super Saiyan having entirely different boosts from the x50 Goku got on Namek include Kale in the Tournament of Power with her Berserker form, and Broly with his Full Power Super Saiyan form, both of which are clearly much larger than x50 boosts despite only being types of Super Saiyan 1. With this in mind, It's very important to consider that Vegeta's Super Saiyan transformation on Namek if it had happened could have been weaker than the 50x boost that Goku received with his. It could very well be that Vegeta's version of the form in that time might have only been, say, a 40x multiplier. This makes a big difference against Freeza. Additionally, as pointed out in the video, this is Vegeta we are talking about. The man who allowed Cell to reach his perfect form out of a smug desire to prove his superiority. He would rather die against an opponent too strong for him than win against an opponent not fighting at their best. It's a big part of why he gets so offended when he finds out Goku was hiding the fact he had Super Saiyan 3 during their rematch in the Majin Vegeta arc. As such, even if Vegeta did start to dominate Freeza, Freeza's going to do the same thing he did with Goku. "Vegeta wait! I'm not fighting at my full power! Just give me a little bit of time to power up and I'll be able to give you the fight you're looking for!" The moment those words leave Freeza's lips Vegeta's fate is sealed. His Saiyan pride becomes his Achilles heel and he gets beaten to a pulp because he allows Freeza to reach his full power.
I always felt that they should have been the actual 7 Cell Jr's. and since they are not as strong as their parent and their abilities are not as potent, it took longer for them to regenerate. So slow, that folks didn't even notice at all, and were able to regenerate after everyone left. But because their parent, Cell, was gone, they basically kind of wander and do their down thing. With no one to direct the Cell Jr's, they basically just live their own lives until they come across 17. I don't know if they explain it or not, but what does it really mean when he says they are "pseudo" Cell Jr's. There are all 7 of them and all of them have the same strength as before and look exactly the same. So if they are pseudo, why? What makes them that way? Some bizarre clones created through magic or science? If so, when, and why?
1:35 That is absolutely not true. When Gohan transforms against Vegeta he has a large forehead cut from his previous fight which does not heal when he transforms. While it's not certain there is a common theory that Goku's Kaioken attack on Nappa broke his back. Even if he transforms his back would still be broken. If it wasn't broken his power would increase by 10x, as he no longer has the power to move the 10x multiplier will make little difference.
It's not "fan fiction" to think that Vegeta would decide to follow the legendary Super Saiyan back to Earth. Like, at all. There's a pletora of reasons to believe he'd follow Goku, from simply beyond in awe to wanting to achieve the same power. If anything believing that Vegeta would just randomly forget that Goku is the legendary Super Saiyan he's heard and talked so much about is the real far-fetched scenario, particularly when he stays on Earth precisely to wait for him originally. If anything they'd probably end up training together(as in this scenario Vegeta would be in complete awe after witnessing so much first hand), and it's very likely Vegeta would quickly achieve the form and they'd push each other much farther than originally.
Ironically Gohan has a better chance of winning with SSJ than Vegeta, due to the Rage Boost and the fact that he would be the only one of the three who WOULDNT let Freezer reach 100%. But like Freezer 70% doesnt need him to charge up and would be a match or stronger than SSJ Gohan besides Rage boosts
So to recap in the unseen timeline the Androids were destroyed, Cell time travels to the prime timeline, and Trunks is dead. So the Unseen timeline has no Cell or Androids any more so that's good but no more Z fighters so if another threat comes along nobody will be there to defeat them.
For those who haven't watched a ton of dragon ball or haven't really seen numbers next to feats in dragon ball ill give you some fun facts. Master roshi with his 150 ish power level blew up the moon and again it got blown up relatively effortlessly by piccolo at around 400. You may not be able to shoot magic beams out of your hands but regardless just with base super saiyan assuming your an average human around that 5 power mark thus 250 at super saiyan you are 66% stronger than someone capable of blowing up the moon right out of the sky and also as strong as characters capable of moving multiple times faster than light shortly after.
Dragonball Super Series writers doesnt know how to use their side characters had their own arc or letting killing semi villain army we understand Goku and Vegeta defeating major villain
Right after the Universe 6 Saga they should be the main characters or defeated semi villain like Copy Vegeta or Arale but instead it goes again to Goku And Vegeta good news in Superhero They are now the main characters but they getting teens without fighting semi villains or helping goku in the Moro arc
Not really about doing for loved ones as so much just knocking Frieza out of the way so he could just take his place and do exactly what frieza was doing.
Frieza was scared of the legend of super saiyan for a reason, Vegeta wouldn't have allowed Frieza to power up to 100% even after knowing he allowed cell to absorb 18 for no reason still don't see him allowing him to have a fair shot or to live and escape like Goku
Wait... WHAT?! NO! SUPERS HAD TO COME AFTER Z! WHEN GOKU FAUGHT BEERUS ON KING KIAS PLANET HE TURNED INTO SSJ3! THAT TRANSFORMATION DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER THE BUU ARC AT THE END OF Z! And.. if by any chance there's some sort of continuity problem going on because of gt... THAT'S an easy one to explain... It's because gt... WASN'T cannon in the first place. . . I can't remember what the details were exactly, so pardon if I'm mistaken or whatever, but torayama didn't even write that script for gt... AND I think he even expressed not even liking where gt even went. This, among other reasons, is why there was no mention of ss God even though pan was shown to being a thing during gt. Another thing about gt to point out... Not even gt took it's own continuity very seriously. There was one episode I sort of recalled in which trunks made a reference of having to have faught the androids during the cell saga... But there was one.. VERY huge problem with that... The trunks that faught the androids... Came from the future.... THAT trunks went back home after all of that ended... NOT to even mention the Goku black arc we got to see in supers in which he came back... And then DISAPPEARED back into another timeline when business was concluded again... ...he never stayed... The other trunks that made that reference in gt... WASN'T even born yet during that saga... Yet. . He REMEMBERS being a part of that fight?! Um.. No... Just dropping that line here to make anyone think twice if anyone truly is going to be making any arguments about gts connonicity. In conclusion, gt was a nice series. Maybe enough to earn it a spot in events that might have happened in some sort of alternate universe maybe... There, it MIGHT be possible! During supers last saga(the tournament of power)we got to see that there were a wide branch of other universes with different backstorys. Maybe in that other universe, things played out differently! After the buu arc, things just went peaceful for a while.. pan grew older, Goku and Vegeta never met Beerus and whis and maybe Trunks never went back to his present... Or.... Some other kind of time travel highjynx insued and maybe THAT modern trunks was never born, future trunks's time line was destroyed maybe by someone or something else, so he just had to stick around with that timeline and fill in what was supposed to be the OTHER trunks existence should he have been born... And just maybe... If they ever decide to continue where supers left off, maybe we'll get to see our Goku team up with gt Goku to defeat Zamasu 2.0 or something(uh... Lmao) one day. But gt... Being OFFICIALLY cannon to the main story? ...yea.... I don't think so. . .
The explosivity and constant exponential growth of Gohan's power was one of the 'always just out of focus' elements that were built beautifully to him being the one to defeat Cell. I actually feel like we never really saw how powerful 'Perfect' SSJ Gohan was, while he powered up enough to peak Cell's interest (which'd definitely say he was generating more power than Goku) he's clearly not actually that invested in the fight and when Cell's trying to provoke him there's a moment when he 'snaps', not in the usual explosive Gohan manner just more a "that hurt!" kinda thing, and a single blow from him is enough to drop Cell and keep him down for a moment. Okay, sure Cell's not using his full power at that time but it's more from a single physical hit than Goku managed without a massive Ki blast.
Its very simple Majin buu is a genie So basically the body the genie in is alot of particles that collected in space and bibbidi mutations The pure evil of the universe is what fed the genie his powers If you watch you can see that majin buu posses majic unlike anyone else without techniques or spells He goes into long slumbers until summoned He’s indifferent to things around him Due to him absorbing so many people his conscious changed Buu pretty much magically released all the evil and released it Buus body still possessed the other absorbed power throughout the years So when the evil ate buu again he regained the other power but gave the pure evil the consciousness When he gets beat up as superbuu he returned to his original physical form and fought using what he knew best releasing the other consciousness absorbed back into fatbuu So pretty much fatbuu was making him weak but i guess the absorbed people from so long ago are stuck in the body so the only way to release them is to rid a piece of himself
Mecha Frieza only existed because Frieza was still partially alive. If he was fully dead there would be no way of resurrecting him so Earth would still be safe. Also Vegeta, now no longer under Frieza’s rule would probably find a place to train like he did to turn into a Super Saiyan for the first time and then with little else to do visit Earth at some point. Even if he starts his own army like Frieza, he will still want to visit Earth again because he already built a decent relationship with Goku and Gohan. Then after that Android 19 and 20 are beat so Android 17 and 18 are destroyed along with that timeline’s Cell. If any version of Cell manages to time travel into the main timeline he won’t be able to ascend beyond his imperfect form and will eventually be beaten as well.
What is this theory about? Isn’t Whis who also said that the fish was an unreliable source. The first time he was mentioned, he said the super saiyan god was the mystery. Whis is just speculating. That doesn't mean there is a mystery to explore. That's like choosing between choice and fate. Edit: it can't be a bad guy. Like frieza. Good overcomes evil because light overrides darkness.
Maybe the guru potential thing was interfering with the supposed zenkai boost gohan was suppose to get and then when it was complete all the zenkais caught up while the rage boost was happening
Still not watched much of the dubs. I first watched the uncensored Japanese version with subs as an adult and it's the only way I can watch. I would love a less filler version of the og but it's better than the word salads, cringe voices and changed motives in the dubs. The Japanese soundtrack is better for the story anyway.
I like the idea that King cold is not powerful enough to reach the fourth form that Frieza can and not that he can't train to obtain it but more like he's incapable of doing it before he died and so his second form was actually his strongest also he's lazy so he may have grown weaker because of that
No I clearly don’t think frieza will remain relevant he says he had no intention in changing his wicked ways in my theory frieza will die by a natural causes of taking on too much strain by using his this black form to fight goku and vegeta by risking his own life the only reason to why I say so because the dragon balls won’t revive a person from a natural death so what happens to frieza is that he drained his life force by torturing his own body from immense training by his black form but just like what happened similarly he attain his golden form he drained his golden form during his second fight with goku this time his black form will have a side effects of the bad condition of taking on too many form it would cause him his life essentially to the point he hit bucket either way it would’ve been a pointless way to end the arc if goku or vegeta or any one can’t beat him then his ego will.
If I'm not mistaken, the translation in the manga said "don't bring back the REALLY evil ones", such as Dabra and Bobbidi. Meanwhile, I guess the Red Ribbon Army weren't considered "REALLY evil", because they aren't out to destroy the Earth and everyone on it, they just want to rule over it.
I think people forget cell has saiyan and frieza dna. It probably wouldn’t be impossible for cell to reach frieza or even goku’s level if he trained for the same amount of time as frieza did.
