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Lol this video and these comments are just so sad to bear witness to. None of us know what it takes to win on the pro tour and here we are thinking we have informed opinions on it. I personally don't see how it's a choke, it seemed like they both played pretty hard and Luke had a blow-up hole, anyone who has played a disc golf tournament knows it happens to anyone any time. But perhaps I'm wrong, we are supposed to expect of athletes these days that they should be perfect and not make mistakes, what a pathetic loser Luke is for not being better than other top competitors on the planet! Haha CHOKE JOB haha does anyone like me yet?
I think the key difference here is the definition of the word “choke”. I’m much less strict with my definition than those that commented are. I don’t expect perfect, but I think what happened falls into the “choke” category. Everyone else is as entitled to their opinion as I am.
@@forgesportsmedia bro the thumbnail you put "this guy loves to lose", what kind of message do you think that sends when you combine that with the word choke?
The thumbnail is meant to draw attention and I’ve personally felt the “I just LOVE to lose” sentiment when I give up a win. Whether it’s Golf, Tennis, or any other singles sport. Is it harsh? 100%. Was it a tough loss for Luke? also 100%.
@@forgesportsmedia so you concede that the thumbnail is misleading and to get views, I respect that. The joke is on me for falling for the rage bait, maybe the other folks in the comments are trying to tell you something or provide actual feedback but it sounds like you've got it all figured out. Good luck with your channel my friend
When it comes to other comments, I’m happy to dialogue with people that are open to discussion. As in: opinions with real context. Had some good threads related to my take on the OTB Dropzone in a recent video with people who wanted real dialogue. But generic “your take is garbage” or “receding hairline” comments from others don’t really bother me haha.
I don’t think yall realize that saying someone choked is not a personal attack. Luke is very obviously having the best year of his career, but he misses in biggest moments. It’s happened twice this year now. Barela choked at the EO last year. Niklas choked at USDGC in 2022. They are both top 10 players in the world that choked in crunch time. If you think this is disparaging, you probably don’t watch other sports.
Really??? What the heck? Sounds to me like you're not a disc golfer because if you were, you would never diss a fellow player like this. Get real: He got a bad break down the stretch. This isn't content, it's a hack job on a player thats out there being a great spokesperson for the sport and a class act.
I love watching Luke Humphries. He’s an awesome dude. It’s my opinion that he choked a win away. For the second time this season. I do play disc golf and I’ve consistently given props to plenty of players as they earn it. This is not a hack job. It’s me reporting on a very rough hole at the end of a professional event. We don’t have to be the worlds softest sports fans
Guy hit an unlucky branch on a great shot. He had to go for it after that. In no way was it a choke. If anything he is a boss for still going for it, instead of laying up for a second or third place finish. I do not even cheer for Luke and in his defense u should stfu.
I don’t think the first OB shot was a choke. Unlucky branch on a great shot? I may disagree with that statement. The shot looked great out of the hand, but it was too high. I wouldn’t call that a great shot. He would have been lucky to come back in bounds from where he hit That statement gives “I would’ve been parked if I hadn’t hit that tree” vibes He also could have laid up, taken bogey, then still had a chance to gain a stroke back on 18. It’s his right to pick his poison, but he screwed up with a quad bogey at the end of a tournament. That’s a choke.
He never should've been in this position anyway. There was only a few top players at this tourney and none of them except Gannon played up to their own standard, and even Gannon didn't for a good stretch. -30 wins this if there's actually a lot of top players and they're actually playing well.
Another point by the way - which flavors the whole video. Is that Luke went for the fist bump - great friendly competition ... and Gannon missed it. The coverage showed that Gannon came back for it. Why put that in? Necessary?
Gannon had already laid his 3rd shot up before Luke threw his second shot OB. Chalk it up to a bad break on the first OB, take bogey, and take it to hole 18. It wasn’t his last chance to tie it up. It’s a different story if this is happening on hole 18. I understand making that decision, but a quad on hole 17 is a choke for sure. I wanted Luke to win just as much as the next guy, but that’s a terrible hole It was also a ~$5000 difference in payout for Luke compared to him taking bogey and finishing T2. That’s a ton of money in our current state of pro disc golf.
@@forgesportsmedia Luke is first to throw second shot - goes OB on road. Gannon lays up to play defensively. Then throws his third into the green. (3 shots) Now - Luke is throwing 4 ... if he goes for it and gets the same result as Buhr - he is only one shot off. So he needed to go for it - and you can see that it was a bit of a technical shot because he missed again. What I'm trying to say is it is about context. He was playing a style that would hopefully keep him within a stroke of the lead - and this time it didn't work out. Luke has been crushing it lately. So he wanted to play aggressively and go for the win. I admire it.
@cameronmiller3579 didn’t see this one until now. Gannons 3rd shot on 17 wasn’t into the green. He laid his 4th shot up to the green. Luke’s 4th (after the first OB) shot was to tie Gannon (instead of being 1 off) which I don’t think was necessary. Totally a technical shot, but he could have played it safe and been one stroke off going into 18 (I.e., Gannon takes Par, Luke takes Bogey). Again: Luke has been playing incredible, but I’d consider this a choke by playing more aggressive than necessary (though I understand his intention in going for it)
How about this take. Luke Humphries has been finding himself near the top of the board more in this year than ever before. People love kicking others when they’re down.
He’s been playing absolutely wonderful golf. But it’s his second time this season throwing away a chance at win. His bogey on 18 at Waco prevented him from a playoff with Buhr. He will eventually get the monkey off his back though.
Objectively calling something a choke job when that's literally what it is has nothing to do with kicking anyone. This was a terrible choke whether you're a fan or not.
You're right. For PROFESSIONAL Disc Golfers the drop zones should be much tougher. For us peasants (intermediate players) I'd be okay with that drop zone.
perspective for sure. If the wind is up its brutal. If its last round, its brutal, wind or no wind. Drop zones should not punish the player honestly, they are already taking a stroke.
How about this: Get rid of all drop zones, play from where you were last in bounds. apparently there are not that many players on this thread that always get the raw deal. I 100% think drop zones should be makeable. I've lost count of how many times I was OB by INCHES and only FEET from the hole, but now i have to throw a 50 foot drop zone?
@garettdissmore7414 On non-island holes, I am not a fan of OB being within a 30ft radius of the basket. I’m okay with foliage and whatnot, but not pure OB. My only caveat is an island hole, which should not be a very common thing. And then at that point, I could be on board with water shots going to Drop Zone, but any shot that passes in bounds around the island being played from the last place in bounds. Obviously lots of nuance we could discuss, but just that same general sentiment.
@forgesportsmedia well I didn't watch any life coverage except for lead card reruns. I think the drop zone is pretty risky in it's placement with the slope leading to the water behind. I'm not sure how many, if any players went O.B. again. Because of this. If not that many than I suppose you are right on your view. I just feel that the c1 putts are pretty risky with water behind them.
@Thebunholio For stats: There were only 6 or 7 double bogeys or worse the entire weekend out of about 125 OB strokes on Hole 12 Unsure if all 6-7 double bogeys were drop zone > water putts
I think that the problem lies in the number of players in the event, how many players miss the drive, how difficult the drop zone is and how deep into the night is the tournament going to run if you have so many players laying up? I have been around a number of TDs who will do anything to cut down on time in a tournament that is completely full and is expected to run overtime just by sheer challenge of the course. I don't know if this was the case, I am just throwing this out there. I loved the drop zone at Emporia that Ricky hit, that was incredible. The lay up on the same island hole was boring as hell, but imagine so many players throwing from the old drop zone, that would have eaten up a lot of time. I don't know their time constraints. The OTB Open drop zone was ridiculous, but again, time restraints? I don't know, but I, personally, would have made it much more challenging and still tried to keep it within time restraints, only three players missed the island in the video. I don't know if they expected more or what.
I’m honestly not sure if time constraints come into play here, but you’re spot on that it can easily become a challenge for a course to take into consideration
FPO in general is terrible with foot faults. Anyone who regularly watches live FPO coverage knows you'll see MULTIPLE foot faults every single day of live coverage that are never called by card mates. The culture within FPO is really bad about not addressing foot faults (probably because they don't want to call someone out for what they themselves are guilty of).
@@forgesportsmediathe distance is 37 feet, you can see circle 1 clearly. Also percentage wise, turned out to be the most strokes swing hole. You’re entitled to your opinion but from someone who played vs someone who didn’t, I disagree
@schaibs_dg I understand the thought that playing the course = a better viewpoint. I’ve gotten to play and visit several pro tour courses. It’s helpful, but doesn’t mean the course can’t be improved or that others can’t see flaws from the TV. If the hole played harder than it did, the stroke swing stat would mean more to me. The MPO field played 3 rounds with an average of 40% OB and still finished it averaging about 0.1 strokes under par, which says everything here. Holes with a far lower OB% played harder vs par. Seems off for an island hole. I respect your opinion and love talking about opposing sides, but would love a bit more clarity on what makes it a reasonable drop zone outside of it still having stroke swing (like any island hole should). Was the landing zone already too small? Were there other factors that make the short drop zone reasonable (you saying 37’ is even shorter than I thought it was).
@@forgesportsmedia as a player a 37foot par save with a water drop backdrop isn’t something that easy even if the stats says different. Even the hole it’s self on tv looks far shorter than standing on the tee box with the low untrimmed canopy, 25mph gusting head wind. Muse does a wonderful job of making this course demanding and building on it each year. Playing it the last three years I understand why it is a highly rated course amongst the players
@@Schaibs_dg this is very helpful context here. The 330’ tee shot from coverage definitely looks daunting. Every Right hand backhand I see looks like a very risky shot. Always understood the common forehand preference. Wind gust totally makes sense and I could see a lot of the chop. The coverage makes the backdrop behind the drop zone look just a bit longer / more forgiving for misses than I would anticipate. Players opting to miss on the safer left side understandably I definitely appreciate the dialogue!
I think a drop zone should be hard, but make-able. The old DDO drop zone was no gimme, was a rare enough make that Wysocki's make was a highlight, but is "safe" enough to give a run. And it is FAR, FAR more interesting and entertaining than 50 layups like we saw with the new dropzone. And yeah, I agree the OTB Open dropzone you're bringing up is way too easy to be properly punishing for an OB play at this level.
I absolutely LOVED the old DDO drop zone. That Ricky putt was truly electric. We’ll see if Swenson Park makes any changes to that drop before its Champions Cup bid
Think I agree with you on this one. Moving this drop zone back like in Emporia would work, and could add to the excitement down the stretch but I would maybe prefer to add an additional drop zone near the water and to the left or right of the original teepad. If you miss your tee shot, proceed to this new first drop zone. If you miss the second, proceed to the short drop zone. Maybe that over-complicates the hole, but I like the scoring separation it adds.
You have a point, however disc golf and golf are two very different sports and treating them the same is not good for the sport. Disc golf is easier and people tend to shoot lower scoring rounds and there are many chances where par 4s get eagle looks and par 5s have eagle tap ins. Having drop zones for 50 ft putts with water behind it is a novelty thay disc golfers like. We like getting birdies and shooting low rounds. If we start changing the sport to be more like golf it wouldnt be as fun. Imagine every course being like noethwood black. I sure as hell wouldnt watch disc golf as much as i do now. I think that once in awhile drop zones like this are good, but if used too often the novelty of saving the hole with a 50ft drop zone will get old.
I agree with your sentiment that disc golf and golf don’t have to be the same. I have a lot of thoughts about disc golf being too easy (for peak athletes), but those will be for a different time haha. Birdies are very nice to get and make you feel good. I do think I’d enjoy watching a high % of Northwoods type courses, but honestly, to each their own Thanks for the comment!
Dont know how this ended up in my feed, but I disagree with you. On any other hole a slightly poor shot will cost you an opportunity to birdie, not guarantee you a bogey.
I respect the opinion entirely. I think the hole invites risky shots, which I like. Landing on the edge in the water is just a poor shot. Risky attempts to get a birdie. Has played under par overall and as one of the easier holes. Even with 40% OB round 1 and 47% round 2
if you care so heavily about saving PAR get better and go on tour. a fair chance at 40' for par is the same for all, land it you get 15ft. seems like you talk before experiencing. learn the game
Sounds like you don’t understand how scoring separation works. Good shots should be rewarded, bad shots should be punished. Throwing out of bounds and being GIFTED a 40 footer (which is relatively routine for these players) makes the hole have minimal risk. If you don’t like their content, go elsewhere. This analysis was helpful and no one else is doing it like these guys are!
@baseballballer25 My point exactly 🤝 The lack of excitement for Barela and Orum at OTB shows that it’s not abnormal to hit that 40’ putt. The 2021 DDO shot from Ricky shows an amazing atmosphere.
I dont really understand why there is discussion here. The rule clearly states that Casual area is Casual water OR a area the TD has declared as casual beforehand. It does not say that the TD needs to say its casual to be so. It even states that casual water is ANY body of water in bounds, which must mean that you can take casual relief from a puddle even if the TD has not declred it as casual area before the round, or am i missing something?
Come on already if you want to play by the rules then play by them if you see a rule break,call that person,or at least tell him or her what that did so they might stop doing it in the future! 🐢✝️🥏
This is true. Though, always good to take notes from a sport that has a major following. They’re obviously doing something right. I do enjoy having unique aspects of disc golf
It’s a balance, you don’t call the first one you see - if someone is being egregious you make the call. Missy wasn’t being egregious and Hailey king is a human being, we’re all selfish
@kazmyer3084 even Terry said that he thought it was OB before the card came up. I trust him as an unbiased third party with the same POV as the card. Can’t call BS if it’s a game of millimeters when you could’ve been much safer off the tee. Self-imposed danger
i don't think it was in bad taste for Hailey to call it, but I think her ATTITUDE towards the whole thing in general was petty af. "It went up! What do you mean?!"........"Alright whatever" 🙄
SUPER lame ass move by hailey king. lose a bunch of respect for her because of that. that was not even close to being a foot fault. the disc had clearly left her hand before her foot came anywhere close to her disc on the ground.
I’d feel way better if she said “hey, I’m pretty sure you just foot faulted” with like a level of humility rather than trying to make Missy feel stupid for not thinking she faulted
