What a cry baby. Bing a woman has nothing to do with their relative obscurity. TONS of women outshine male counterparts. Most people simply don't like their music.
Maybe I was just around cool people, but the gatekeeping by the industry always felt like either an excuse to not give them their due, or a false flag. Because every time they did play Hole, or PJ, or Portishead, Or Juliana Hatfield, or Whale, or Tori, or Skin, we all clamored for it. It wasn't the people who weren't ready for it, it wasn't a nation of sexist evil men, just like it with female rockers the decade before, it was that the labels being behind the times. Still the same today.
I’m in tears and clearly doing some heavy shadow work. Tori, you were, and are, my number one. Your music came to me at a time in my life when I needed it most. As a young pianist and songwriter, I was in awe of your talent, your music, and your honesty. I still am. You helped me to find my voice at a time when I was stifled. You spoke my language. I am eternally grateful. ❤
She's making a great point about the place of women in the music industry and how tough it was/is and the presenter is trying his best to move the topic away from what seems to be an uncomfortable conversation for him. Great of Tori to bring this up, this is what needs to change.
Noneee of their music compares to each other and thats why I come back to listen because they capture a sound, place and time you can't just make out of everyday life. Each album is a world unto itself.
the only question i have for Tori is in 2023, Bjork continuously breaking new grounds visually, PJ won 2 mercury music price and continue to PUSH forward musically and artistically , what Tori have really done other than repeating herself since Scarlet Walk? playing old favorites,? covers and please the old crowd like me ? Or got married and have a child?
I understand what you mean but I think it shouldn't be a crime if an artist that has undoubtedly had a good career and left behind a legacy decides to not keep pushing. It seems to me that Tori, even tho she still loves to write songs and play shows, is not driven by ambition anymore and she mostly keeps her work to her community of followers. And that is ok imo. A couple of months ago, I was at her concert and I have to tell you that the venue was packed and when she stepped on stage, everyone stood and the amount of genuine love with which she was greeted was something extraordinary. To sell out big theatres and be so adored 30 years into a career is sth that not a lot of artists can flex... Now artistically speaking, I agree the decade post-Scarlet was her lowest point. That said, I feel like this last decade she has rebooted her career very gracefully with embracing some more ambitious classical music projects with Deutsche Gramophone etc. Her last album Ocean to Ocean was particularly elegant, beautiful melodies and stunning instrumentations.
Here's the deal, none of these artists have anything left to prove. In fact, Little Earthquakes on its own, if that was the only thing Tori ever put out, that would have been fine. That album is a beyond words masterpiece. It's up there with Kate Bush's Hounds of Love, Björk's Vespertine, and Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill. It's a stroke of musical genius, and not one of those albums I've listed are necessarily better than the other, but they are all absolutely brilliant in their own way.
@@SuperPhunThyme100 None of these artists have anything to prove? ask Bjork and PJ, why they have been trying to break new grounds? I agree all listed albums are great. If there's nothing else to prove, it's better to stop putting out albums after scarlet's walk. Portishead has nothing else to prove(yet I hope) and remain one of the Greatest (to me) I am sorry to say all these but I am still a Tori fan, bought all the albums after SW, until physical copies are obsolete. See her in concerts whenever possible. It's NOT hate, just sadness, that she stops trying, or even get a producer to elevate her music.
@@chucktrev6929 Because she isn't trying to prove anything to anyone. She's doing what she wants to do, and who is to say that she isn't elevating or innovating with her music in her own way? How can one objectively say that she "isn't trying" when she's been on tour the last 3 years, released an album, wrote a book, etc?
She wrote a musical and did a modern take on a classical song cycle based on classical themes. Maybe not your or mine cup of tea, but definitely trying something different. I think that Tori isn’t as interested in exploring the visual and theatrical side as Bjork and PJ and collaboration. I agree, artistically PJ and Bjork are hard to top.
Worst interviewer ever. Wtaf. All his interjections and sound effects. Ugh. Completely distracting the ENTIRE time. Imagine having TORI in front of you telling her story and all you can do is make sounds like a complete dipshit.
I think the reason it was harder for women to get on the radio was it’s mostly guys that become musicians, mostly guys that were into buying music. People in the music business are going to promote what they know will sell. What Tori didn’t mention is that most male musicians didn’t make it into the music business either. Now, Taylor Swift is the biggest thing on the planet now as far as popular music, although I can’t fathom why 😂 BTW I think PJ is the bee’s knees. 😅
The Genitorturers, PJ Harvey, Björk, Lords of Acid, Kelli Ali, Sneaker Pimps, Queenadreena, Katie Jane, Veruca Salt, the Shitbirds, April March, Beth Gibbons, the Soho Dolls… maybe I veered off course by someone else’s standards but you see my point, as a man I’d rather listen to a woman sing than a man, but they have to do it their own way & they have to rock.
I'm a woman who's loved her music for 30 years, but the "it's harder for women" thing doesn't fly anymore. Sometimes I feel like she's living in the past in that regard. I'm a musician, I know a lot of other musicians male & female & none of the women musicians (provided they have genuine talent) have trouble getting gigs or press anymore than the men do. If you look at radio right now it's rampant with female artists (to stretch the word).
That's because she was talking about the past. 🤦♂️ the 90s and below were harder for women than guys when it came to opportunities. Now time has changed.
There is a massive audience of young women wanting to hear female performers like Amos Bjork PJ Taylor Swift Adriana Grande even Kate Bush now but men have a bigger spread of musical output in terms of genres and groups so thats why I disagree with her view that there are fewer opportunities for women.
Time has changed since then. She was talking about the 90s. Also, the keyword, "young women." It should be every gender and age that can appreciate a female artist.
She's absolutely not wrong, because in the 90's music was for the most part made for men. Think about it, the 90's. What does that mean? That means EVERYONE with power in the music industry and worldwide was born in the 60's or before. NOT exactly the most modern mindset for women was shared then. Even in the 90's women were still breaking from expectation. The industry catered toward men mostly BECAUSE . . . . MEN were the breadwinners. So if a woman was going to see a band or concert? She was probably seeing what her boyfriend or husband or father wanted to see. THAT was their bullshit mindset. and if a woman HAD a job she must be spending it on clothes or her kids or whatever. That was genuinely what thoughts they had. They treated it like women couldn't have appreciation for music on that level. It was dumb. There was also a lot of homophobia going on. If you were a man and said your favorite rock band was HEART you'd not be taken seriously. Because a WOMAN singer? A FEMALE band? Why aren't you listening to men's bands? It was a ridiculous mindset they had that took decades to break in the industry. SOME parts of the industry are STILL like that. WAY more male rappers are signed than female. Also wtf does it mean that " Men have a wider spread musical output than women " ? Women have brought SO much to country, pop, rock, hiphop, blues, soul and rap. I'd say women honestly OWN Pop, soul and R&B in all honesty. and of today's bands? Find a male fronted band who is half as talented as Florence + the Machine that is out and about and being talked about right now? There isn't one.
People are surprised, but celebrities (whether it be musicians, actors, whatever) don't really hang out with their colleagues that often. Madonna talked about this in 2015 with Howard Stern. She said that celebrities are actually really shy around each other and that the only time they get the chance to hang out with each other is at special events like award shows. Because otherwise, everybody is busy working or traveling for work.
people try to compare the three of them by success and it’s so odd like nobody cares about Björk selling more or any of that shit it’s really just about the music with them
Overrated? She's literally a beast of a musician, probably one of the most skilled pianists in pop history. Plus, there are songs of hers that are mind-bogglingly complex and intricate as compositions, structures and performances. Puh-lease
There were many good female artists in the 90s. Beth in Portishead, Tracey in ETBTG, Kelli in Sneaker Pimps and so many more. So many good female pop artists too.
Tori is a classical music child prodigy, I think she holds her own against them. PJ is great but white chalk is three piano notes and a wail. Musicianship-wise, Tori wipes the floor with both.
I like pj more too....bt msically speaking pretty mch no one on earth can compare with tori amos...yoo mst not be a msician. This is not even debatable in the slightest, and not well everyone has an opinion...it's fact. Pj rewels thow.
