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Just curious what is the beef with the 8.0 high output? I just cut the bottom of a door the other day with that battery and the gen 2 circular saw and it seemed smooth to me. But i havent used it a whole lot. Ive been only getting into the high output 8.0 this year. The other day i was using the 9.0s HD on the dual battery vacuum doing some sanding and clean up until the battery died and i noticed they were quite warm to hot. There are certainly newer m18 tools that seem to stress the batteries a lot. And as I start to buy more of these tools I start to notice the Heat . 🔥But after watching this i think they're making the non HO s obsolete with these newer high amp tools.
I use the Milwaukee rotary and D.A. buff for my job buffing vehicles and the 8amp & 12amp HD die just after 2yrs. The biggest killer I found was the Milwaukee chain saw. It fries the BMS and the battery cells.
I just got this Dewalt in a combo package. It really came down to price and for the two being neck and neck mostly, Dewalt won on the price by far. It will do anything I'm going to ask of it as a diy'er but even if I was a pro it would be right at home.
I personally love my 2834-20 was going to wait til I saw your video of it but just couldn’t wait. Definitely have to get used to blade right though. Fantastic video as always!
6,000 RPM is too high for battery saws to not bog down. This is just a foolish speed pursuit. Many other saws are ~4000 RPM so they will cut a few seconds slower, but they won't bog down and give a much better practical performance.
I think Milwaukee is just trying to get people to replace their old saw and batteries by saying the new saw is faster and still compatible with all batteries. You get the saw home and find out you need bigger batteries so you go get them because of the sunk cost fallacy. The 5ah and lower 18650 cell batteries need to be retired. Milwaukee is running the risk of going down the Dewalt path of having great tools/batteries but also a bunch of obsolete ones that tarnish their name because Joe Public doesn't know the difference and buys the cheapest brand name tool only to be disappointed with them out of the box and quickly writes off the entire brand. I see it all the time in construction. I tell apprentices all the time who ask me if they should buy Dewalt or Milwaukee they are focusing on the wrong thing. You can buy a Chevy Silverado and and Chevy Spark but only one is capable of construction work. Same thing applies to Dewalt and Milwaukee.
I have a feeling that "THICK KERF" Milwaukee blade has a hand to play in all this as well. If you stick a Diablo thin kerf on im sure the 6.0 HO won't have nearly as much voltage drop and will do just fine.
Maybe. But a Diablo Thin Kerf is .059" and this Milwaukee Thick Kerf is .071". Yes, it is more, but is that going to make that much of a difference? If it did, Milwaukee probably would have put a think kerf on this saw and been able to advertise it as even faster.
Could you test the voltage sag with 24v batteries? 3dprintedadapters on Etsy makes them. Would be interested in seeing results for kobalt and flex batteries on this saw. At this point it could be cheaper to get an adapter and some cheap 24v kobalt batteries than a forge.
Let's not pretend like 12Ah high demand was able to deliver till this point. Many times had it overheat on my table saw (just repeated cuts- but less than an inch of depth, 9 inch cut off saw- absolute battery hog- never manage to drain the battery, always overheated first. M18 sds max just removing tile adhesive, barely able to keep it from overheating. Forge batteries should be released long ago to keep up with FlexVolt
Flexvolt has nothing to do with Forge. Flexvolt is "old" cylindrical cell technology, exactly like Milwaukee's regular batteries. Forge is the Powerstack equivalent.
@@Surmoka thanks for stating the obvious, my point is that flexvolt was still ahead of High output, I know because I could compare to my mate collection of similar tier tools and simply his batteries were running longer without overheating, if I'm correct only 6Ah Forge is similar to Powerstack
This is how Technology works. Todays Wizardry is tomorrows crap you give your brother-in-law. Buy stuff, use it until it’s dangerous , never look back.
If I wear a Milwaukee shirt, I am a fanboy. If I wear a Jeep shirt, I am sponsored by jeep. I cant win, so I wear whatever I put on and forget about it.
@@WorkshopAddict Oh, no worries. It was just, I guess, a happy accident that you were sporting a solution to the problem you were demonstrating. I have always respected the degree of neutrality and well, professionalism, you present in your... enthusiast journalism? Perhaps that's speaking too highly of it, but that's what my mind classifies it as.
As for why companies have stopped supplying 0° tips, Consumer Reports won't recommend machines that come with one because of safety concerns (but they will test and provide the results of those machines) so that's probably a factor and then just safety regardless of Consumer Reports is also probably a factor.
the reason you shouldnt use impact drivers is because you need to use an an adaptor, which will break and keep breaking like your first test i think you should switch to something like the 921 compact for future videos like these
I could tell in my limited testing of the FORGE BATTERIES that the TABLESS CELLS HAVE MORE GET UP and GO JUICE now looking forward to your next video on run time with that saw and FORGE BATTERIES to see how much more wood each FORGE BATTERY can cut then the other
Milwaukee refuses to up the volts on there batteries, other tool brands have allready done it , would definitely not buy this saw unless i allready had forge batteries , i bought the newest Milwaukee 6.5 only because i allready had a forge 6 battery also the new 6.5 works good on any battery just less power
They don't up the voltage but they doubled the number of pins on the battery for higher current transmission. That's about the same as doubling the voltage.
I’ve been waiting for this type of video in this saw. Thank you! I’d be curious at what battery does it start to compete with or beat the flexvolt offerings.
Good thing is tabless cells exist now for Milwaukee. But it’s gonna expensive to run new m18 tools going forward. Milwaukee is overdue for m36 platform at least for angle grinders, circular saws , miter saws and other bigger tools.
@@minhdaubu2363agreed. I have tried both Milwaukee dual battery yard tools and the Dewalt. The 60 V is so much nicer to use. Milwaukee stubbornly sticking to the 18 v is interesting. I absolutely hate that they market these dual battery tools like they’re some game changer.
As always, great video sir!! Man, that saw is a thirsty girl!! You can totally see that the engineers over at big red are designing these new gen tools for the Forge batteries, as they should. However, all my boys around here with the red tools from the Home Depot won’t be happy since they all bought combos and deals that mostly came with the old standard 5ah!! Poor guys! I really appreciate your testing and results, can’t wait to see your run time video!! Thank you sir!!!
What is the cost of thr saw? Add $250 USD for a 12ah battery, add another $250 as a spare or maybe 2 if professional. You have a tool that overall cost roughly more than $750 just so you can complete the job efficiently. This added cost has to go somewhere. Charge to the customer wanting the work done. Gone are the days when a corded tool was the only cost to a professional and never heated up, ran for hours. The argument/fear of what if no power, no cords to hang on to etc... has really done a number on the industry and only side is getting richer.
You're obviously not a contractor if you think like that. Time is money, BIG money and tools like these make you save time. They're a lot more convenient and more powerful than corded, they get the job done faster. Logistics are also much simpler, as a simple 15 amp breaker will be sufficient for an entire 4-6 man crew. Even if you have to replace them at the end of the warranty, they're still worth buying and it's not even close. If cordless tools made the job more expensive, you wouldn't see every contractors ditching their corded tools.
Think that saw will be cooked in a short while. Seen the older one go down on several occasions. Milwaukee stuff is like owning a hot rod fun and fast but not reliable.
Let's be honest. We all see them, the guys that are too cheap to buy the big batteries and live on Amazon knock offs. Batteries from unknown places, with unknown cells. They're over rated from the get go, things will get dangerous with tools asking for that kinda power draw from questionable batteries. Overheated, over worked batteries won't end well for anyone using them or the tools they're running on.
This is at least the second time they're kind of lying by omission (maybe not "lie," but for lack of better word) by only telling us how amazing the tool is with their highest-end battery. The new M12 stubby impact wrench is kinda limp with most batteries under their High Output 5.0.
This is proof that the battery and the tools really don’t communicate with each other the saw should of recognized the 5.0 ah to reduce power and so on and adjust accordingly
