I have felt the most secure fit with the Turbo Quad mesh fingertip inserts. They are the only ones that feel like my fingers aren't going to slip out of them. I get cold hands a lot which makes my fingers shrink. That said, I am still one who shoves my fingers almost beyond the first knuckle into them. Unfortunately, the pro shop I am getting new balls drilled at soon says that they only use Vise. I've had Vise grips nearly a decade ago, and they became hard and slippery. What would you recommend in the Vise line that might work similarly since they don't have any of the ones with bumps inside?
Yeah I grew up without thumb slugs. They didn't have them and so I never needed them. When the thumb swelled, i would just use baby powder and when too loose i would use a rosin bag for more grip. But I'm trying to be optomistic with the modern bowling world and am thinking about trying some jo po thumb inserts. We will see.
My new ball has turbo grips and they have a more pronounced ledge on them than my other balls and it’s hanging up on my fingers. Is there something I can do to fix it?
It depends on what you’re trying to accomplish. If you are doing vacu grips and use 31/32 size grips. Then you want the hole size up top to be 1 1/32. If you are using 7/8 grip size. Then I’ve found that a 15/16 bit works best up top. Hope this helps you with your question.
Ive only been at a pro shop that can duplicate a ball once. Ive moved between 8 states in different parts of the country and struggle to find a competent pro shop. A consistent thumb would be nice
Never had an issue with finger swelling or thumb swelling been competitively bowling for over 20 years with some tournaments doing 40 games in a weekend. If you are swelling in the grips I would think it's because you are putting a death grip on the ball.
I use the Universal and on 3 or four occasions the thumb slug has slipped out far enough to make impossible to release the ball. Does this also occur with other inserts? In that particular ball I put so much glue in it that it is now a permanent thumb. Back to using tape.
Thanks for the tip. I have little problem with my thumb. I feel that my thumb hole is little big for my thumb, should I refill the hole and redrill correctly size???
Sorry for the late response. Turbo is a half size different in comparison. I’ve used both and I feel they are both fairly similar in softness. Maybe vise is a touch softer. But not by much in my opinion.
I just switched out all of my finger grips with the Vise PowerLift/Semi .. I love the "Semi" side .. awesome grips. I got tired of having to tape my fingers all the time, so I fine tuned my sizes down so I have a pretty tight fit. They are a bit tight right now but will loosen a bit over time which means they should fit perfectly after a few more nights on the lanes. I am so glad I changed out my grips like I did. I ordered bulk Vise grips on Amazon and re-gripped all of my bowling balls.
@chrissmusic5528 13 or 14 lb my first ball fingertip grip I bought a zen soul and I don't like it. I've been looking in ebay but I haven't had the best of luck with auctions. I know this wasn't for me.
Not 100% sure why you’d be using 1 1/16 for your grip hole since the grips are made to be in 31/32 holes or 1 1/32. But if that’s comfortable for you, by all means continue that. Yes, 1 1/8 would be what we recommend for your vacu hole but it can always be played around with for your comfort
What is the best way to remove them, and do you have to use like vise glue, or does any super glue work when you glue new ones in? Also what is the best way to clean the hole up once you remove the old ones?
At least the way we do it in the shop, there is a tool to remove grips that Innovative Bowling Products makes. However those are pretty pricey. Some sort of pocket knife or screwdriver could work to be a money saver. In terms of the glue, we use Vise glue in the shop but any super glue could work. Only thing to be concerned with is the Vise glue does dry a lot quicker compared to most super glues
Do people size down on their finger inserts when they are going for a "vacuum" install? I use conventional 31/32 sizing and I don't really imagine my insert size creating any "vacuum" on my fingertips -- they just aren't quite that tight.
That’s mainly coming down to what you’re comfortable with. The general recommendation would be going a full size down from your normal grip. However for Justin, he’s using the same sized grips that he was using in regular grips. You can always play around with sizing. If your pro shop has the vacu grip sizing tool, that’s the best way to experiment with sizing or just switching grips in drilled balls
My rgumv holw ia nor siewxtly below my fingers, it is abouit 3/4" to the left is this normal? all the videos I see show the thumb hole directly below the finger holes.
Hard to say without really seeing your ball and hand. There are some cases where this does happen and it’s not wrong or a bad concept. If you’re really concerned, we’d recommend talking to your pro shop operator about it. Worst case scenario, you talk with a different pro shop for a second opinion
In terms of axis tilt or axis rotation, not really. In terms of overall “rotation” or RPM, power lifts will help you gain a little and same with Vacu. However, we recommend what you’re most comfortable with and lets you be at your best game possible!
If you were an oval or none grip person before and went to Power Lifts or Vacu Grip, I’d think you should see a change in those but the most change would be a pitch change and even a possible span change with the pitch change. Then you would see a difference for sure. Sorry for the late response. Hope that helps.
When I lived in Illinois, the Cherry Vale mall area always had a lot of traffic. Watching the PWBA event there last year brought back a ton of memories.
Another thing I like about switchable thumbs is that my thumb swells while I bowl (more in summer than winter) and I can't get it out of the ball. Instead of playing with tape, I can switch out the thumb and still have a thumb that's drilled for me and be able to move it ball to ball.
Ive been using the Jopo and I really like it. the black color comes off on my finger some times idk if that's a defect or if other people have that issue. i'll have pro shop sand it again next time I see him.
Do you throw multiple balls? Do you bowl any spring or summer leagues? I like being able to switch the thumb when mine swells instead of playing with tape.
@Nevin Kinzel hmmm. Interesting. Never thought about it like that. If my thumb is slippery I just use some rosin, or if it swells I use baby powder to help make it slide out easier. Never thought of it this way. So do you use different size thumb inserts then for this? Yes I always bowl with atleast 2 balls. Going to get a couple more soon.
@@brianmizway9324 Yeah, I have two inserts. One is my normal thumb size and one is my swelled size. My thumb doesn't swell enough in the winter to matter, but since it has been warming up again I really notice it. Even baby powder or "shrinking" my thumb by wrapping it with a napkin and putting it in the ball doesn't work for me. So, I switch out the insert for the larger size and I don't have to worry about it.
@Nevin Kinzel thanks again for the idea. I just thought people did it for the heck of it. This is the first perspective where I can see this makes sense. Thank you.
I had both Vise IT and Turbo and broke several thumbs with both and both felt somewhat loose feeling. Out of frustration I had my PSO order some JoPo thumb system and absolutely love them. They are robust with a solid feel. Only drawback for me, is I have to use a removal tool to change inserts as the click is so pronounced it is very difficult to remove with only my thumb. But they are solid and highly doubt these will break.
I’ve used 3 of the 4. This is my personal experience IT: never used. Turbo: decent system. Used this the longest, but the tabs in the bottom are prone to wearing out or breaking over time, which is what causes them to stop locking in. This is what made me switch away from this system. Ultimate: uses a locking system on the side. I like this idea better than turbo as it is less prone to failure. The slugs felt less secure and would actually slide up and down by a couple millimeters while in multiple balls. Not sure if this is the tolerances in the moulds, but I did not keep this system long as I did not like the feel. It just felt cheap to me. Jopo: hands down the best system I have used. Uses a threaded system with 3 locking tabs in the bottom. The threaded system will hold the pressure of throwing the ball a lot better as it is much more surface area. The locking tabs are more sturdy than turbo. It is so secure that it feels just like having a standard slug in the ball, which i never had in the other two systems. I see no reason to even glance at any other system after trying this
Regarding those Turbo tabs wearing away, are you talking about the bottom of the rail in the outer sleeve or the little plastic pieces that stick out of the bottom of the inner/thumb sleeve? I'm assuming you mean the inner sleeve. Those little things don't inspire a world of confidence, but at least getting a new inner and thumb made is much easier and cheaper than drilling out the outer and replacing the whole system. About how often did you have them break? Thanks in advance.
@@matthewstoker224 If I remember correctly, I have had one tab on the inner break off, and have seen it with at least one other person. Over time, they wear down and become more prone to the little tabs getting weak and either wearing down completely or breaking off. The outers have all remained fine. Don’t get me wrong; turbo is a good system. Like you said, you can always just drill a new inner and the problem is solved. I would never tell everyone they need to switch to JoPo because it is the only good system. If someone is looking for a new system I dang sure am telling everyone about it though lol
@@jacobwhite7845 Thanks for the heads up. I know many people will put a piece of tape on the side of the inners to tighten them up if they become loose too. If the drillers in my area start offering JoPo I'll definitely be giving it a shot next time around.
They were the first and are still around, but don’t have the marketing like Turbo, Vise, Jo-Po and now Ultimate. Grip-Loc’s are much easier/quicker to install than any of the others as well.
Thank you for this! I'm DEFINITELY at a place where I feel like I need them. Got 3 different balls, and the tiny differences in the thumb hole just makes me crazy. Hard to make a decision, lol.