Seeing this I'm kind of suprised my 1991 holden commodore 3800 seriese 1 is still running I just took the timing cover off and found the tensioner in the sump and the chain loose as
@@freashtoast1684 not surprising, most V8 V6 cam in block engines had no tensioner at all in 1950-2000 era and they'd run a long time with steel timing gears. The cams were ground with 2° - 6° advance in them, to compensate for eventual chain stretch
Sounds like a set of JJ6-v6's in a 65 deluxe reverb amp ran into a 4/12 closed back cabinet with the volume maxed out playing on a 1972 fender deluxe telecaster in the neck position with the tone control rolled off and volume all the way turned up inside a 40' by 60' cinder block garage'vibrating a set of 1964 Chrysler hubcaps sandwiched between 2 floor mats out of a1969 GTO judge inside a 55 gallon barrel with the lid on and and a set of Pontiac 421 connection rods laying on top the lid with 1/2 dozen shop towels under them. That's the best way I can describe it. Nothing beats the sound of 455 Pontiac.
@@242bleek the story is, Mac in his old age, gave engine to a guy to rebuild for him. The guy had it forever, until Mac died. The rebuilder guy deadbeats out and keeps motor. Then he also dies. Then recently another benevolent person, buys car and motor from the 2 different owners surviving family members, and is now restoring it, reuniting body with OHC 421 V8 motor.
@@242bleek you can see a picture of that car, with engine on stand in front of it, and Mac with hand on motor, in Pete McCarthy's Pontiac musclecar manual printed 1989
@@tunnelportterror Wow what a shame. Such a legendary car and engine ended up in the hands of a crook. Hopefully the resto is going well. Is there a way to follow it?
It's not a gear drive. It was a chain drive, as shown by the cover, and tensioners adjusters, oilers, and it was a failure. It's main purpose was R&D to further develop the Pontiac v8 for SOHC DOHC future production, for corporate use into 1980-90s, which never materialized. Federal emissions standards got so tight, only the small block Chevy, Olds could pass the 1980s standards. The 265 and 301 Pontiac short deck motors died in 1981-82.
Yes that was it's purpose but it never raced. They never even ran. They were outsourced by Pontiac, examined, then discarded. They ran a short deck, cam in block 303 built by GM.
Yep that's the same unit only with auto ground balance. Here's the thing, you will definitely get a response from a White's 5900 or 6000 if there's any type of metal in the ground, junk or gold or anything in between. The thing that the new detectors do better is give you tones to discriminate between them someone more precisely. And they will respond quicker if the items are on top of each other or very close together. But the whites is still going to tell you if there's something there. Having said that I found a pile of roofing nails and pieces of tin buried with a handful of coins near an Old Farm Spring House left there from doing a roof job decades ago. And I heard different tones with the 5900 meaning clear belt tone compared to staticky broken up discriminator . What the new digitals have done is instead of giving us a broken up staticky tone they give us a completely different tone for scrap, different from a good hit for gold or silver or copper etc. But those newfangled detectors still get tricked a lot and you have to dig a lot of junk if you go metal detecting that's all there is to it.
Man it has been a loooong time since I saw a set of Mickey Thompson Sportsman "I"s! Used to have a set of those on my 67 GTO back in the mid 80s. I sold that GTO years ago but have a 65 thats getting a 69 428 motor in it and have a 68 400 HO car that is all original. Love the GTO! Used to run a Crower Solid in my 70 TA with a 65 421 HO motor in it. Very nice sir!
@@tunnelportterror It ran very good. 1970 TA - 421 HO 4 bolt -.060 over. Flat top pistons, SD rods (73-74), N 455 Crank 10/10, #12 RAIII heads, T400 with factory 12 bolt and 4.10s. No traction with anything on street. Car would run 11.60s at 122 back in 1990. Weight was 3400 pounds. 1/2" fuel lines and a blue pump. Needed a better intake than the Edelbrock torker. Crower solid 533/555 304/312 252 260 @.050. Harland Sharp 1.65 Roller Rockers. Was a good combo. Except for about 12-1 compression with the 72cc heads on a basically 455 motor.
@@tunnelportterror it actually had a 455 crank so it was a 455 standard bore. I ran 36 total timing @16 initial with 100 octane or higher. I would have to run Superfuels (VP race gas 105). Back then it was about $3.50 a gallon. I could run two cans of 104 real lead octane booster and 93 octane fuel but it would have to be about 14 initial and 32 total. Still would spark knock though.
@@tunnelportterror 100% agree. I’m building a 428 motor for my 65 GTO and will be a milder combo. Will probably spend the money on some Kaufman heads and intake but nothing crazy. Planning on a 10.5-1 ratio because of the aluminum heads. Hyd roller cam but similar in lift and duration as the crower solid I mentioned earlier. Def going to non ethanol fuels. Will get a T56 and keep the 12 bolt that’s in it. Building it to drive and race. Will see how it goes from there.
4.125. X 2.84 stroke. I didn't know there were any actually in existence. I have the Pete McCarthy book from '89-ish. He talked about the "Latin square" (?) camshaft, I think that took a lot of tinkering, a camshaft that really worked with this engine, got the 303 making at least 480 hp
@@tunnelportterror Right. That was a DOHC. The SOHC 421 that Mac McKellar had in his '63 GP must have been reliable or he would not have used it. Any idea if this was belt driven, or chain?
So someone put a Saturn ion engine into an sw2?!?! Well. That's a shame. A true shame. A good chassis and body ruined by a lemons engine. In all the years, never was there a 2.2 in an s-series. the only 2.2 Saturn made was for the lemon known as the ion. Tons of them in junkyards. To hardcore Saturn fans, this just doesn't even live half up to the original 1.9.
Yeh, the factory did, in 2003. I had two 1991 1.9 liter dohc 16valve Saturn's. 1stick 5 speed, 1 automatic. They both got 30 mpg city mileage, 36 highway. The stick got 42mpg in 5th gesr, coming home from vacation at Cape Cod on highway one tankful. Amazing cars. Both ran to 222,000 miles, then I sold them each for $500. Buyers drove them away. The 2.2 liter had more power, but less mileage, and risky hydraulic timing chain tensioner system. Having said that, the 2003 2.2 also went to 235,000 miles, sold for $500. But it ate a timing chain at 155k, bent valves, had to put used engine in.
Dude ! The exhaust pipes with that beautiful sound are out the back ... not 10ft out infront of the car . Also is there even a engine in that car ? I could hardly see .....................
That is a great part of Pontiac history. It should probably be in a museum somewhere, not that it wouldn’t fun to play with, but if you broke it that would not be good.
Seemed like quite a few of the GM cars of the late 60's and 70's had bad camshafts concaved lifters bent pushrods and broken rocker arms. Oh yeah, and dead cylinders. Probly just me though.
And today they have bent valves, timing chains jumping time, spark plugs snapping off, pulling threads out of aluminum hesds, turbos melting down, and filled with Chinese, Korean made shit parts. And cost 50 grand for the pos. And are worth $500 scrap value in less than 10 years. While the restoreable old cars are worth 50 grand.
@@tunnelportterror You said it brother. Especially if you're into the old Mopars it seems. I think I'm gonna try and get myself an old beater C4 Corvette to work on, they still seem to be kind of affordable these days, for me anyways, one that's fixable.
Really enjoyed your two videos I've seen so far today. Curious, where did you get that camshaft? I have a '70 GTO I'm putting a '69 428 in it. #62 heads all stock, rebuild.
I found the cam on the net for sale from private owner who never used it. Crane used to make them. Melling made the originals for GM, I found one of those too. Comp Cams, Crower, Isky could probably make one for you. I may consider selling the Melling but it would not be cheap.
Sound pretty dam good to me. I had a 1968 400 H.O. Formula in my 66 GTO yes with a 4-speed tw10. Got married got read of it. Biggest mistake i ever made in my life. Old Combat Vietnam Vet 1970-71 Camp J J Carrol DMZ MOS#13A10
Very fun video. I worked at Pontiac Motor division in 1970 in the financial department, but one of my superiors, Bill Hoagland knew I was an NHRA drag racer w/Pontiac sponsorship, and so one day he came up to my desk and said, "come with me." Down in the basement level parking garage we hopped into a Chevrolet Vega of all things (substitute for a Pontiac Astra I assume, which was not yet available.) He drove to a parking lot across town. Popped the hood and said, "Hop out." Which I did. Under the hood was the engine your video documents: an all aluminum, SOHC V8! Only had a 3 speed manual trans. I drove back to the plant. Very strong engine, lots of RPM. He shared that the engine, heads etc. had all been one-off machined from solid blocks of aluminum by Pontiacs new milling machine. Quite an experience for me. While at Pontiac I got to know the engineers in the Special Projects Engineering Department a little as well: Tom Knell, Herb Adams.
Also meant to mention that a month before the above occurred I was hard at it over in the Administration Building across the plant site "bumping and grinding" (recall I was in an accountant role) and from my desk actually heard this unbelievable "SCREAMING" emanating from the Engineering Department's dyno exhaust tunnel (it ran a hundred yards below ground to its atmospheric exit). Same day when I had a little time I visited the Special Projects Engineering Office and inquired, "WHAT THE HECK DO YOU HAVE ON THE DYNO TODAY!" Answer was, "Pete, sorry, can't say much but think 'Jerry Titus' and 303 CID".
Almost don’t even want to hear the story of how lucky someone is especially when I’m a Pontiac man born n raised this is like a dream priceless but I have a few cars that would love that heartbeat under the hood gto lemans and a trans am all 70s
The HO block just means 4 bolt mains nothing else. Find or mill up a pair of 96cc heads for pump gas. Use 2.11 1.77 valves. Get a solid flat tappet cam at least, or roller. Port the heads. Get a cam with similar specs. Also a Victor or Torker 2 intake, 800 cfm Holley. Headers. Electronic ignition .forged rods, forged pistons for durability. 80 lb. Oil pump. Double roller chain. Windage tray.
Certainly....specs on the CRANE BLUEPRINT McKellar #10 SOLID LIFTER cam are - 236°/247° i/e duration @ .050" lift, 113.5° LSA, valve lift is .416"/.420" i/e Valve lash clearance is .012"/.018" i/e But I had to use 1.65 Melling rockers to get that lift. It's NOT .447" with 1.65's that's from the CRANE catalog, it's also what I remember from cam card. I can't find the cam card now, don't remember seat to seat duration. It IS noticeably longer duration, rougher idle than RA IV hydro cam. But less lift than RA IV.
That's a possibility but the SOHC427 Ford cammer v8 had a very long chain too, and tuners of the time figured out how to advance one bank, retard the other. That in itself is not insurmountable. It's the fact this engine was an engineering exercise, nothing more. Those heads are a POS
What an incredible story and what a ride!!! Pontiac Enthusiast magazine too, I used to get that and High Performance Pontiac magazine in the mail as well! Great video!
Well...the EXHAUST was loud at first, with open headers. Then I put duals with Flowmasters on it, to quiet it down. The CAM has lots of overlap, gives a rough, radical idle. You're hearing a combination of 2 things. Cams by themselves are not "loud". You can have a big cam with quiet stock mufflers.
in 2003 is was $1250 for stove including delivery, installation, and another $1350 for the double wall stainless chimney 14 feet tall. it paid for itself in 2 years.
dude, it's a vintage 1962 Super Duty 421 cam, with solid flat tappets. that's how they idled. and that was a fresh engine just built. first start in the winter, cold garage, with a big Holley 850 DP from an L88 427 big block Chevy.
wrong...it's ionic steam, I worked there, and a retired nuclear sub tech told me exactly what it was. and we were checked as employees, and had radon in our clothing
