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Awesome but like another person you didn’t try at the end video option. Nobody has shown off the image to video to image. Luma does this really well but nobody has shown what Kling does yet.
As both tools are not "composing linear multitracks" the "Stems" besides the vocals cant exist.... Try to seperate Suno or udio instrumentals and you will see its not based on recordimg instruments, its more than a "Film Set" of a Song. a momentum with "Fake" instruments...know what I mean? So if you are inspired by both AIs..do your a favor to be better then all the rest: Produce the inspiration agai by yourself. It also prevents your music and work not sounding like AI. When you experiment with all thw tools like I do agressivly for the last 8 weeks..you will know what I men. There is a point when you hear the training cause there are elements always repeating over all styles. Thanks for the vid. As I said before: I am too lazy to make all of my research to content... So keep on doing it for both of us, Chris!
Hi Chris, Thanks a lot for another outstanding video. I wonder to know, when you have a given singer, can you use the voice and style for other pieces in Suno and/or in Udio?
Cool. Unfortunatelly all A.I. voice changer are paid services...or ugly to use. I was creating vocals from Splash (it was free to use when beatbot was avaible), but the killed the project...
I used Udio to make a bunch of songs. The first 25 or so was incredible. They didn't miss an "I' or a "T'. Them joints were smoking with them backing tracks and my lyrics Then it just went crazy. Wasn't reading nothing I wrote, just spitting out what it wanted. Man, I used up about four thousand credits on ish that had nothing to do with me. I'm about my lyrics, not Udio, jamming.
When competition is present, the user wins, you can do the same with SUNO. The sound quality maybe better with Udio but I can never get the results I get with SUNO. It will come down a preference and what you can work with better.
Udio is so much better than suno that i kinda do not understand why people use suno... unless you wanna make a whole song in 30 sek for fun, without controll
The AI should be looking at the stem and 'recreating' the audio just like img2img in AI art. That way even though it won't be exactly the same audio from the original it will be a 'recreation' instead, but with a much cleaner resulting audio file. It should be able to do this to the point that the differences between the original stem and the 'recreation' are indistinguishable in all but the quality of the newly created stem. If AI art can reproduce a new image from an original image then something similar should be possible with audio. It's only math afterall.
If you want a cleaner sounding stem, just re-upload the file in Udio and remix it as close as possible to how it originally sounded. I experimented with an acoustic guitar sound I liked and it came out sounding better.
I asked it to make me,my cat and my partner do the moonwalk, instead it stripped us naked 😅 every attempt at a coherent animation looked like something out of an animorphs book cover 😂
Have you tried to do the stem separation directly in Logic Pro and compared? I think there is some problem with AI music because it is creating the sounds differently than a recording. When i separated dtems some guitarrs as an example sounded very eeird and cut iff at points. Probably because the AI just generates the guitarr where it is hearable in the mix. In a recording the guitarr would ring out notes even if it woukd be more or less unhearable in the mix. AI turns it off. We record multi track while the AI treats the whole thing as a single instrument in a way is my guess. Cheers!
As a composer, I have some mixed feelings, but the audio-to-audio feature works quite interesting by inputting a single instrument track and generating audio with little variation (so the melody is not modified, e.g. a violin playing). The output can serve as an extra layer of audio that can increase the realism.
SUNO lost it! Their vocal voices are so boring and predicable. The same generic vocals time after time (no matter how much you try with specific vocal styles in your prompts) making users waste tons of money on takes that just don't cut it. Also when it comes to music SUNO basically only know how to make modern sounding music. Try making authentic sounding 80's synth-pop or new wave and SUNO fail misserabely making it sound like some new Dua Lipa song. UDIO is way more variated when it comes to vocal styles and sound and also when it comes to variated music.
Even when you change the style. The doubled vocals at the end of the verse make me want to scream. Haven't used Suno since April. But I am getting tired of the predictable 34 second change, or even the 2 minute feature that doesn't allow an extension. Both have their annoyances.
Just FYI, you can do all this in Fadr for free and, if you decide to become a paid member, you can break your songs into not just basic stems (like "drums" and "other") but a full 14 different instruments (assuming there are that many in the original song).
Because both of those models use diffusion to create the entire track at once, and don't build the track from component parts in the same way a human does, it's understandable that they use similar tech to that which UVR5 uses to separate stems.
Glad you liked it. I dropped the song into Logic Pro and used the built in mastering. It's a simple tool yet gets pretty great results. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
So, Udio still has better sound quality while Suno generates better melodies. Neither have stem separation that is an improvement on what can be done with other sites/apps. Disappointing but thanks for taking the time to compare them..
You're welcome. And yes I agree. It was pretty disappointing. However in the end you still can just replace the vocals and it sounds pretty good. But if you are looking for just the instrumental it's a wash. Thanks for watching.
@@ChrisUnlocksAI is the free version adequate for this, or do you have to pay? It's just that there are so many tools to get started with video editing, and I can't pay every subscription.
Awesome, glad it proved helpful. As a musician / producer myself I have really enjoyed working with Ai. You should check out the audio input feature for both Suno and Udio. Pretty amazing stuff. I did do a video on that as well if you're interested. Thanks for watching.
Amazing enterprises, Suno and Udio. Too bad that they rely their success on a massive amount of stoled music. But after they face UMG/Sony/Warner lawsuit, other companies will take the same technological path trained only on allowed music, and even music that is created specially for this purpose. Google and RU-vid are trying this way, and hasn't released their models openly to the public because their AI generated tracks aren't completely cleared. They have a lot to lose, and on the other hand Udio and Suno just see gains on their strategy: they intend to grow their catalog as fast as possible using consumer uploaded music/instruments, in order to close a deal with TikTok and Instagram. That's their vision: sell music to be used by this social media giants, without the royalties payed to the major record labels/companies.
I love SunoAI, but I must admit it is falling behind in terms of sound quality and music editing tools. They urgently need to release a better model. The best melodies I've created are from Suno, but the vocal and sound quality are severely outdated. I hope they release something new to compete with Udio, because otherwise, they will quickly lose market share. 😢
getting nice stems from crappy generations or crappy stems from good generations, ... why suno isn't just giving out what bark and chirp are doing instead of using a cheap steam splitter
I have not tried the stem separation feature in Logic yet, I am a fan of some of there other new tools. I may do a stem separation computation between all of them. Thanks for watching.
I really recommend spending 10 bucks for one of them. So many great benefits. You can cancel anytime. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching. I hope your ai music journey is awesome!
I have done a couple of months of Udio. I wanted to subscribe to Suno but I can't seem to get an answer to a question. Maybe someone here could answer it. When I tried the free credits for Suno my download was a low bitrate MP3 file at 192kbps. When subscribed to Suno does is give you the option of 320k MP3 or WAV??
You get WAV, but lower bitrate than Udio. IIRC, Suno gives you 48 kHz 16 bit, as opposed to 96 kHz 16 bit for Udio. Or that was true up until a few weeks ago - not sure if recent updates changed that.
Too much and it sounds “too clean” too little no it sounds too muddy. I like to start low and step it up for various parts of the song I want to emphasize more
@@VampyressVA I’m using the daily free credits so my experiments are slow and I learn as I go. If I had a plan I would definitely do more detailed testing, but from what I have sound the lower fidelity doesn’t allow for clean stem separation, but it sounds more “authentic” because in a real recording the sounds all blend together. But with the high clarity you get great stems, however the track sounds more artificial. The sounds are too perfectly separated. For more vintage sounds I would do a middle ground clarity, but for something like a modern orchestral soundtrack or a clean vocal mix, or smooth jazz then clarity to the max gives great stems.
The whole AI should be re-made to think in terms of: generate one instrument, then another, then another, then vocals. Master the whole thing. Save current mastered tracks separately. Present the result as the *combination* of all of them. But currently it's like this: generate instruments and vocals, merge them together destructively, master the whole thing, save destructively. Oooops, now we have all sorts of echoes and harmonics floating around, so to separate them at this point will leave lots of bleeding harmonics and frequencies here and there, specially when there are panned vocals and stereo effects. It's the same as trying to separate individual ingredients of a stew after the stew was all cooked together. You're going to get bits and pieces of everything on everything. Stemming right now is no better than center-cancelling or the "karaoke" function.
This is what I told them two months ago. If AI can create a track, then AI generate actual stems, rather creating a track and using stem separation tools. The latter is lazy, and undesirable due to artefacts and quality. The AI could also provide its mixing chains and midi.
@@sub40hz That would be ideal! What they're offering currently is the solution that wouldn't require them to train a new model with very different instructions. I guess for now they're just not willing to risk it. But I'm sure what you described is in the plans... (one can hope)
@@VampyressVA the way I see this AI stuff is that it’s there as a collaboration. Comes in with an idea, you then take the components, replace or add you’re own and then you do your human bit with structure and arrangement. That way it’s a true joint effort.
Dude, I still think that Suna is better, because it gives at least more credits. Like the same model that recently came out, there are very few credits. Although, of course, I understand that it is of better quality, but it is very greedy and has few credits. So, I apologize, no.
Yeah I actually hate the credit system. Let me pay a set price for unlimited use. Anyway. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience and thoughts.
Sad but their both using the same algos the DJ apps are using like Virtual DJ and Serato. I was expecting clean stems as well, like studio quality. These are a post process, nothing special
Yeah. I agree. In the end I was able to replace the vocals, and it sounded good. However what if you wanted the bass from song. That's not happening. Hopefully it will get better. Thanks for watching.
The stem separation is not worth it but can be convenient with certain songs. I want a feature where you can keep the singing style and generate the music or vice versa.
