Thanks Mick and Jeff. Just wanted to say I'm really appreciating these Critical Conversation videos you have been having. I've been fortunate enough to train with Mick on a number of occasions in the past and his knowledge is second to none. Cheers!
Training like an athlete, well ok. Athletes train different all the times. Earnie Shavers, the Harvestehude puncher of them all, once said he developed his killer punch with chopping wood. All of a sudden, every boxer chopped wood like Winter is coming. Not one of them developed Earnies punch. He had that punch bcs he was a genetic freak in the first place. Are you a genetic freak? If not, do the lifts i mentioned before. Squat, deadlift, bench press, oly lifts. Don't ever go for endurance with weights. You do that, you are fine in any sport you can think of...
The three exercises from powerlifting and the two olympic lifts is all you need for training. Lunging is a squat with half the weight. Oh god, that is a lot of bad advice here. I am a strength coach, and i work a lot with track and field athletes. You need a rep range from four to six, three sets, no more. If i train a young 100 meter sprinter from a 100 Kilo squat to a 170 squat, his time on the 100 meters gets a second faster, with no other training differnt done. That's how functional the squat is. I wonder if Mick is so stiff bcs he does all that 100 rep nonsense. Inflammation is unbelievable, if you train this way.. i know what i am talking, believe me. I was a scaffolder for years, wich is basically weight training with lighter weights for 8 to 10 hours a day. I was close to suicide, so much pain i had at some days. Nothing of this physical Therapie whit worked for a damn thing. Than i remembered how i trained when i was young and a whot put thrower. I began to train like this again, now i am complete pain free. Greetings to Mick, i was as Rigo Hook a fb friend of his for a long time. Big fan, but truly, this is some really terrible advice he gives here.
Yeah while Mick is def. one of the best guys in the self defense field, I have to take martial artists and fighters workout recommendations with a huge grain of salt. They catch onto some truths like focus on compound lifts or explosive movement, but from that truth they get wooed by stuff that supposedly abides by the same principles. So a power clean makes them stronger by being a hip dominant move, but a kettlebell swing is easier to do so they start doing hundreds of light KB swings, which fatigues them but doesn't make them any stronger or faster. They'll also be doing all kinds of MANLY SPARTAN exercises and not stretch their shoulders or hips enough and end up having to deload like crazy to not get hurt by their restricted ROM
Wow as a long time subscriber to all the Self defence RU-vid participants. This behind the scenes footage has really shed some light on some things I had heard from ramseys commentary of each episode which now I believe not to be true which he claimed. Must have been trying to save his reputation by pulling out of the event as the injuries he claimed he sustained sure ain't evident and looks like he was actually going to partake in the event until those huge guys were dragged into the equation
I really like videos as a supplement, so like, my gym membership comes with access to a website with the videos. I go to that gym in person regularly, but in between classes, I can watch a video to keep things fresh.
It's good as a supplement but can't be the only thing. We use it also as a reminder & to analyse movements in slomo however must be from all angles to truly capture the technique
I was expecting that point were you grab the wrist to still be a struggle as you would be pulling the arm all over the place and it starts to become a fight over who is stronger.
I wasn't before, but neuroscience (motor learning and motor programs) has made me appreciate them. The videos used for comparison is unfair; and the logic, reasoning, and conclusion reached is unsound. The purpose of any forms training (Kata, Poomsae, Combos, etc) is to establish the techniques as a motor program and to then strengthen the synapses that trigger them until they become lightning quick reflex reactions. Just because the left video is consciously throwing the combo and techniques quickly while shadowboxing, doesn't mean they will reflexively respond with them just as quickly or know how, where, and when to react with them correctly in sparring or a fight. Just because the right video is going through a presentation of the kata and techniques involved in a COMPETITION, doesn't mean they can't reflexively fire off the individual techniques within the kata just as fast as the martial artist on the left. (It's also a Kata COMPETITION video, it's a presentation, a show, and isn't showing the actual speed they train that kata or those techniques at). That said, yes TMA has sort of lost its way when it comes to forms and is misusing them and neglecting their application into sparring and fighting. Instead focusing on making each individual technique look as perfectly as possible when performing through repetition focused on the finer details of each technique. Neglecting their use in kumite and that in a real fight techniques and the fight, never look as pretty as in practice or sparring. While TMA has also turned forms into choreographed dances which resemble movement arts performances, rather than martial arts training. However, just because forms are misused in TMA, doesn't mean there is inherently anything wrong with them. While combat sports are using their forms training properly, combos are still just forms, just like kata are forms
If the aim is to do them until they become lightning fast then why do them based within other unnecessary movements? Shadow boxing isn’t necessarily unconscious and if it is, isn’t that the goal? It’s a traditional method of training that we have since moved on from as we have discovered far better means.
Go All in or All out. If fleeing, go all out, don't hesitate, max speed/distance, and make it as difficult as possible to be pursued including the use of obstacles in the environment. If fighting, go all in, be aggressive, max pain/power, and confine constrain restrain your opponent including the use of the environment as a weapon.
Great observations! If you are able to work your way towards an opportunity to run, its better to protect your legs. Once your legs are stabbed, it is going to be difficult outrunning your attacker.
I’ve been trained by Mick in the past, not nearly as much as I would have liked, and can say that he is the best Combatives instructor I have trained with. And over a 30 year police career I trained with quite a few.
I like how humble you both are. Non of this play acting nonsense or posturing. Also neither of you mentioned how you had 300 fights with Johnny concrete. What the combatives community needs.
Once USDC matures, I am looking forward to a women sections. In real life, both women and men are attacked mostly by men so an Ultimate Women Self Defense Champion would be so interesting 🤔 What really work against bigger and stronger opponents? That's an interesting question!
Boxing is great! But I'm not convinced by the 'Jack Benny' stance at the range you are using it (virtually sparring range). IMO it should only ever used in a compressed situation (like on a crowded subway or some such where you have little or no space). I'd prefer a more open and moving guard: AKA - The Fence (Geoff Thompson) where you keep you hands in flux while talking. Thus, you have a wider barrier making it less easy for the attacker to close the distance. Also, your 'hidden' hand (with the Jack Benny) is not as maneuverable when tucked away under your higher hand. Also you can preform any of the maneuvers you mentioned, if your hands are up and out. The critical thing is though, is to make the Fence look as natural as possible (which takes practice). Same could also be said for the Ed Sullivan stance (IMO).
The ‘Jack Benny’ stance is meant to be used when the threat is not imminent, I think you’ve misunderstood the point. . To go as you said and use the fence in the circumstances being discussed would escalate it potentially so I would totally disagree with you there. Also the arm isn’t tucked under, it’s a puffy jacket. Thanks for watching
@@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence Hm... I think you’ve misunderstood the fence as a concept in part. It’s applied in any situation immanent or not. If they are too close, you’d use a ‘compressed fence’. It also looks a lot more natural (when done correctly) than the JB, and offers a lot more adaptability. Your hands are in a far better position to strike than the JB. The Fence certainly won’t escalate either when it’s done correctly, it’s just talking with your hands after all. You’re talking about an ‘active guarding’ position - two palms facing forward. That will escalate, but you’d use that more for ‘posturing’ and telling a threat to F-Off a warning, if you will. He moves forward after that, he gets belted. So I’d totally disagree with you there. One last point. Your arm in the JB IS TUCKED under your other arm, and thus in a slightly less advantageous position - IE - further than it would be from the target using in a fence. You want your hands out and higher than his where possible.The cheeky groin shot is also a pretty pointless trick (very KM). I mean, give me the head as a target and that’s what I’ll take every time. Even in the JB, the heavy jab to the opponent’s face is more effectual than a weak groin shot. I’m mean you’ll barely feel a groin shot when pumped full of adrenaline. But you do you as the saying goes. Take care!
@@scepticskeptic3794 so you’re saying that if I’m let’s say in an elevator and someone who I’m suspicious of comes in I should stand in a fence?!?!?you’ve misunderstood champ. As for the tuck that isn’t happening, I’ll play devils advocate. I can move my arm a cm prior to throwing a shot if needed .
@@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence There’s a bit of reaching going on here. First off. I thought we were talking about your demonstration? AKA - A potential threat in front of you, as you have in the vid. So a fence would be totally appropriate there. If he moves in, then you adopt a ‘compressed fence’ (assuming you allow him to). The JB is inferior to a fence (in that position and distance). Your arm is tucked and therefore, not quite as efficient if out already. That’s simple physics, distancing and physiology. You will have less reach clearly. But that's quibbling over the minutia. I'm not saying you couldn't make it work. Now, if you want to change the goal posts and say someone suspicious gets into a lift, but may not be an active threat per se, it certainly would look odd if you got into a fence position. That would make you look like a mental patient. So you’ve jumped to a wrong conclusion there. Given that particular situation, where you want your hands higher than his, but want to look unobtrusive at the same time. Then the JB is rather good. I prefer the Ed Sullivan myself, but that’s a personal training thing. However, in your video, you’re clearly not demonstrating that type of cramped scenario. You have an opponent right in front of you, ergo the fence will be a better option. Only if I felt someone was trying to ‘encroach’ or move towards me in a manner I didn’t like would my hands go to a fence position, and even then it would look like I was only opening up a conversation and gesturing with my hands in a natural manner.
Fundamentally I agree. KM was always shit, imo. And it only ever became slightly better after they began taking stuff from Combatives. But Combatives now is mainly practiced by weekend warriors - so pressure testing is very 'run of the mill'. But in the 90s Geoff Thompson was advocating animal day type training, so it's nothing new. But in my two decades of various self-defense training, I came back to the fundamentals as you did. But I'm not too interested in the 'below the iceberg' stuff anymore. I've seen it all before. It really depends on what you want from self-defense. A one off 'course' won't get you very far. Because unless they have the mindset and skills already developed, they won't retain that knowledge when the shit really goes down. You'd have to drill and drill it for it to be effective. And lets face it, most people who go to these SD course won't do that. IMO, if you really want to be able to defend yourself, just get down to a boxing gym, cultivate good awareness skills. Add to that lifting some weights and get very fit. Do those things, and you can't really go wrong. The pressure testing will come from full contact sparring (or any decent combat sport).
You've not shown anything really in this excerpt, therefore I can't say what you do is good or bad. Not sure what the kids were doing at the end though, that was just a mess.
@@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence LOL, coming from a ‘sports’ coach with no ‘credible’ background in violence whatsoever, that’s exceedingly rich! I have happened to have one or two ‘encounters’ as a doorman for over eight years, LOL. You can’t teach... Your material is poor, and only ‘shadow’ of some of the better self-protection coaches out there - who were saying and doing all this in the 90s and doing it very well!. Material you’ve taken, but don’t know how to teach properly. Fake, now go back and dance around the ring where you belong. You put yourself up on a pedestal as the ‘real deal’, with no 'credible' experience in security sector - but you gotta make some Ca$$$$$, right? LOL
@@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence its ok if used against untrained or really weak people. But it doesn't work against trained fast killers. Great to learn as a baseline. But don't rely on it. Just my opinion. No offence intended sir
