[0:00 - 0:22] The conversation continues about Diana's refusal to go on the family trip to Mexico. Miriam recalls Diana saying she didn't need to go because Jack (presumably her boyfriend) would be going to those places in the future. [0:22 - 0:51] Miriam confirms that they didn't go to Mexico or San Bernardino because Diana wouldn't go. They had arranged for neighbors to check in on Diana, but this wasn't entirely satisfactory to Miriam and Bob. [0:51 - 1:15] Miriam describes Diana as argumentative, saying she argued her point and probably "screamed and carried on" about not wanting to go on the trip. [1:15 - 1:41] Miriam expresses regret, realizing that Diana might have ruined their whole time if she had gone. She mentions that they went to Acapulco and had a fantastic time. [1:41 - 2:17] Miriam reflects that the trip would have given Diana a whole new outlook, visiting Mexico City as well. She comments on how teenagers sometimes don't cooperate and miss out on experiences. [2:17 - 2:42] There's a brief exchange, possibly with Diana present, where Miriam asks if she now wishes she had gone on the trip. [2:42 - 3:29] The conversation seems to shift to the present moment. There's mention of gathering everyone together, possibly for a photo. Miriam makes a comment about having had her "shots," which could be referring to medications or vaccinations. This final segment provides closure to the Mexico trip anecdote and offers some reflection on parenting challenges and missed opportunities. It also gives a glimpse into the present-day interaction between Miriam and her family members.
[0:00 - 0:29] Miriam recounts an interaction with Bob, possibly after a period of not seeing each other. She mentions passing by him as she was leaving, and he asked when he'd see her again. She replied, "Probably never." [0:29 - 1:41] Miriam explains that Bob had called her friend Judy, asking about Miriam. He wanted Miriam's phone number and called her, but she refused to see him because she was still married. She mentions the rigidity of social norms at the time regarding married people seeing others. [1:41 - 3:33] Miriam's mother suggests she needs a lawyer, and Miriam mentions Bob Graham. She calls him, and he invites her to his hotel room at the Bryson to discuss business. Miriam describes getting dressed up for the meeting. [3:33 - 4:37] Miriam alludes to a significant moment in her relationship with Bob, saying she knew she had met the man she adored. The conversation then shifts to Bob getting a job in Moline. [4:37 - 6:04] Miriam talks about visiting Jim (presumably her ex-husband) every summer with their daughter. They would take the Rock Island Rocket train, and a kind African American man would help them board. [6:04 - 7:04] Miriam recalls a dinner at the Drake Hotel's Cape Cod Room with Bob, Jim, and others. She mentions Jim telling a story about her talking about the White Mountains and Massachusetts. [7:04 - 8:25] The conversation shifts to Miriam's daughter Diana's observations about Bob and Jim's relationship. Diana noted that they argued frequently. Miriam also mentions that Diana's mother (presumably Jim's new wife) was a music supervisor in Chicago schools. [8:25 - 10:02] Miriam discusses Jim's career in tax law and his desire for a partner with her own career. She mentions that Jim's new wife was Catholic and didn't believe in divorce. [10:02 - 11:21] Miriam talks about family trips to the Indiana Sand Dunes, where Jim had a cabin. She mentions various family members who would join these trips. [11:21 - 13:30] The conversation shifts to the present, with discussion about breakfast plans and leaving for a flight. Miriam reflects on the stories she's shared, hoping they weren't too derogatory. [13:30 - end] Miriam recalls a time when they planned a family trip to Mexico, but Diana refused to go at the last minute, citing her studies and not wanting to leave her boyfriend Jack. This caused some tension in the family.
0:00 - 0:37: Miriam recalls Jim's rope-climbing habits. He had a rope dangling from his window at his fraternity house, which he used to climb to the roof. 0:37 - 1:17: She describes an encounter where Jim followed her after class. He introduced himself and mentioned he was from St. Louis. 1:17 - 2:23: Miriam explains how she refused Jim's offer to walk her home. She then learned about his rope-climbing habits at the fraternity house. 2:23 - 3:25: After they were married, Jim continued his rope-climbing hobby. He would climb to the roof of their apartment building every Saturday with his lunch and thermos. 3:25 - 4:13: Miriam recounts a time when a thunderstorm caught Jim by surprise while he was on the roof. She mentions his interest in health. 4:13 - 5:16: She talks about their dogs, which they got from an animal shelter. Jim would walk the dogs with a special leash and walking stick to look like an English gentleman. 5:16 - 6:49: Miriam describes Jim's nightly facial care routine using ice packs. She also mentions their routine of walking the dogs in Jackson Park after dinner. 6:49 - 8:31: She recalls Jim's habit of planning conversation topics for social visits, using a list to ensure he covered all points. 8:31 - 10:01: Miriam discusses Jim's argumentative nature, which his father encouraged as preparation for becoming a lawyer. 10:01 - 11:50: The conversation shifts to the end of their marriage. Miriam mentions that she had to leave, and arranged care for their daughter. 11:50 - 13:41: She describes the day Jim moved out, noting it wasn't a sad occasion for her. Jim moved to International House on campus. 13:41 - 15:35: The transcript ends with Miriam beginning to recount how she met her next partner at a bar with her brother David and a friend named Judy.
[0:00 - 0:29] Miriam discusses her husband Jim's father, who was well-respected. She mentions going to Sunday dinners with Jim and Mr. Roberts, who would offer her wine. Jim didn't smoke or drink. [0:29 - 1:00] Jim's father was very busy, involved in Masonic lodges and various organizations. He had a weekly date night with his wife, but she wasn't pleased with his busy lifestyle. [1:00 - 1:34] They discuss Jim's background - he was born and raised in Chicago. Miriam's family origins are mentioned: her mother was from New York, and her father from Virginia. [1:34 - 2:19] Miriam talks about her grandfather, who was a surgeon in the Civil War. She mentions a connection to Frederick Law Olmstead, who started sanitation efforts and the first Red Cross during the Civil War. [2:19 - 3:33] Miriam describes a framed discharge document from her grandfather's Civil War service, which was given to her as a Christmas present. She also discusses family names, particularly the name Dudley, which appears frequently in her family history. [3:33 - 4:50] The conversation shifts to when Miriam and Jim returned to Chicago. Jim was earning $100 a month as a lawyer, which was standard for Harvard Law graduates at the time. They took an apartment on the south side of Chicago near the university. [4:50 - 5:47] Miriam mentions her work at the Peabody Museum while in Boston. She talks about buying an old Hudson car and going on trips. She also mentions Jim working at a pottery place during this time. [5:47 - 6:46] Miriam discusses the impact of the Great Depression on Jim's father. He had invested heavily on margin and lost a lot of money. This put him in a precarious situation with clients who had lost money based on his advice as a banker. Miriam mentions that he kept a gun, fearing that someone might come after him, though no one ever did. [6:46 - 7:51] They talk about Jim's father's death when he was only 49 years old. Miriam initially suggests it was due to alcoholism and pneumonia, but then corrects herself, saying she thinks it was cancer. She mentions that he was a Christian Scientist and refused medical treatment. [7:51 - 9:04] The conversation shifts to Miriam and Jim's living situation. They had an apartment that cost $75 a month, which was a significant portion of Jim's $100 monthly salary. The apartment was near the Illinois Central railway, and Miriam describes how the building would shake when trains passed by. [9:04 - 10:00] Miriam talks about getting a job at the president's office at the University of Chicago. She then became pregnant, and the doctor advised her to move to a first-floor apartment to avoid climbing stairs. [10:00 - 11:05] There's a discussion about Miriam walking through snow to get to work while pregnant, but then a realization that the timeline doesn't quite add up since Diana was born in July. [11:05 - 12:34] They try to recall the addresses where they lived in Oak Park. Miriam mentions living on the second floor of a writer's home, and they discuss the location in relation to where Bob's grandmother lived. [12:34 - 13:55] There's a brief discussion about demographic changes in Oak Park. Miriam initially suggests it had been "taken over by blacks," but is quickly corrected. They mention taking a Frank Lloyd Wright walking tour in the area. [13:55 - 15:47] The conversation turns to Miriam's pregnancy and Diana's birth. Miriam talks about her doctor, mentioning that she later heard he had become an alcoholic. She describes the use of ether during childbirth and notes that fathers weren't allowed in the delivery room at that time.
Claude.ai please use the transcript to write the interview with Miriam Dudley Robinson Elworth Graham with time codes. Part 1 or 5 0:12 - The interview begins, stating the date as May 24, 1991, at Fountain Grove. 0:27 - Miriam starts talking about a man with a lot of personality who came into a shop where she and someone else were having tea. The man wanted a smile from someone (possibly Lindsay). 1:09 - Miriam recounts an incident involving Lindsay and a man. Lindsay ignored the man, which prompted Miriam to ask her about it later. 1:32 - Lindsay explains that she "couldn't find her mind" at that moment, but later got it back. 1:54 - Miriam mentions Lindsay's vivid imagination and tendency to tell tall tales, which her father would sometimes dispute. 2:25 - The interviewer asks about Miriam's family. She recalls having five siblings: Donald, Kenneth, Janet, Miriam, and David. There were also twins who didn't survive. 2:56 - Miriam explains that her father wanted to get married to have children. Her mother was 15 years younger and a kindergarten teacher in Burlington, Iowa. 3:19 - Miriam's father convinced her mother to stay in Iowa and have children instead of marrying a New York lawyer she was engaged to. 3:39 - The conversation shifts to the topic of hugging. Miriam mentions that her family didn't hug much, and she's just learning to do so now. 4:41 - Miriam discusses how demonstrativeness varies across generations in her family. 5:19 - She talks about her sister Janet and her husband who lived in North Carolina, where hugging was more common. This summarizes the first part of the interview, covering family background, hugging habits, and some anecdotes about Lindsay. 5:56 - Miriam talks about Janet and Russell's life in North Carolina. Russell was the head of the music department at St. Mary's College, and Janet taught art and math. 6:14 - She describes the outpouring of love and support when Russell died, with people bringing food and drinks. 6:32 - Miriam mentions that Janet enjoyed drinking, especially before bridge games. 6:58 - She recounts a story about Janet and Russell's parrot, which could mimic certain bars of symphonies that Russell taught it. 7:23 - The parrot would also say "Mrs. Robinson" when the phone rang, which coincided with the popular song of the same name. 7:54 - The conversation shifts to Miriam's move to Chicago. She explains that after college and a trip to Europe, she went to the University of Chicago to work on her master's in French. 8:50 - Miriam talks about meeting Jim, her first husband, at the University of Chicago. She describes his piercing eyes and how he "undressed you" with his gaze. 9:32 - She mentions that Jim was a musician who played the trumpet to earn his way through university. 10:13 - Miriam recalls her first date with Jim, listening to him play trumpet at a theater on the south side of Chicago. 10:29 - She describes their relationship, including playing tennis together and her living situation with a friend, Louise Selman. 10:57 - Miriam mentions that Jim went to Harvard for his first year alone, and gave her a Harvard guard pin as an engagement gift. 11:36 - She reveals that her marriage to Jim was "almost a fluke" and explains that she was dating another man, Norvel Wright, a Northwestern medical student, while Jim was at Harvard. This section covers Miriam's early adult life, her move to Chicago, and the beginning of her relationship with Jim. 13:15 - Miriam continues the story of how she ended up marrying Jim. She explains that when Jim came back from Harvard, he gave her an ultimatum. 13:29 - Jim told her there were only two choices: either they get married or she gives him up. Miriam, being 23 at the time, was willing to listen. 13:43 - She mentions that some of her friends in Chicago were getting married, which may have influenced her decision. 14:10 - Miriam decided she didn't want to give Jim up, so they arranged to get married. 14:33 - The wedding took place in Burlington, Iowa, with about 100-150 people attending. 14:42 - Miriam's mother organized the wedding. Her little brother, who had a beautiful voice, sang with three friends at the base of a circular stairway. 14:57 - The song they sang was "Oh Sweet Mystery," which Miriam now considers "pretty corny." 15:14 - After the wedding, they lived in Cambridge for two years while Jim finished at Harvard, then moved back to Chicago. 15:25 - Miriam mentions her second husband, Bob, who was also a Harvard graduate and a lawyer. 15:39 - Bob worked as a lawyer for the Burlington railroad and John Deere company in Moline, where they moved. 15:53 - He had his own large law firm and Miriam describes him as "quite a person." 15:59 - The interviewer asks about when Miriam's daughter Diane was born in relation to her marriage to Jim. 16:05 - Miriam begins to answer, mentioning that they had returned to Chicago and talking about Jim's father, George Elworth, whom she describes as a "marvelous man." This section covers Miriam's decision to marry Jim, their wedding, their life after marriage, and touches on her second marriage to Bob. The interview seems to be transitioning to discuss the birth of her daughter Diane.
ChatGPT Transcript with time codes (incomplete) Interview with Miriam Dudley Robinson Elworth Graham - Part 1/5 May 24, 1991 - The Fountaingrove Inn, Santa Rosa, CA 0:12 Interviewer: "Tonight is May 24th, 1991, and we are here at the Fountaingrove Inn. Mother is sharing her evening with us. Let’s begin." 0:27 Miriam Graham: "The town almost came alive, you know? There was a man full of personality. We were having tea, and he walked in. All he wanted was a smile from her." 0:53 Interviewer: "Was she afraid?" Miriam: "Not at all. She wasn’t afraid of anything. Very outgoing, always." 1:09 Interviewer: "Who were you talking about just now?" Miriam: "Lindsay. Mimi and I were having a bite, and Lindsay didn’t smile at a man who wanted her to. I asked her why, and she said, 'I don't know what happened to my mind. It just went away.' Later, she said, 'Now I've got my mind back.' Her imagination is wild. Her father sometimes says, 'I’m not sure that’s right.' But she insists, 'Oh yes, it is!' even when it’s not." 2:25 Interviewer: "How many kids were in your family growing up?" Miriam: "Five, but there would have been seven. Twins died at birth." 3:00 Miriam: "My father wanted to marry just to have children. Mother was 15 years younger, a kindergarten teacher in Burlington, Iowa. She was engaged to a lawyer from New York, but my father convinced her to stay and have a flock of children." 3:29 Interviewer: "You grew up in Iowa?" Miriam: "Yes, Burlington, Iowa. Forty thousand friendly people." 3:42 Miriam: "We never hugged growing up. I’m only learning to hug now. Dee sent me a book on hugging." Interviewer: "Did you read it?" Miriam (laughing): "No, but I’m learning! It’s easier when it’s demonstrated, not by reading." 4:03 Interviewer: "A couple of years ago, you tried hugging, but it didn’t feel right?" Miriam: "Yes, I tried it, but it wasn’t comfortable at the time. Now, I’m learning again." 4:28 Miriam: "It has to be natural. I don’t force things. My father’s family wasn’t affectionate either. Hugging isn’t part of our Midwest culture." 5:00 Interviewer: "Did your father hug?" Miriam: "No, but things change through generations. My father wasn’t very demonstrative, but he was more so than his parents. I hug more now, and Madison, she’s always kissing and hugging." 5:19 Miriam: "I went down to North Carolina when Janet’s husband, Russell, passed away. The outpouring of love was amazing. Everyone brought food, and there was so much affection. Janet taught art and math at St. Mary’s, and Russell was head of the music department." 6:28 Miriam: "They liked to drink before dinner, and Janet was a life master in bridge. Before the final scores came in, they would drink whiskey." 6:53 Interviewer: "Didn’t Janet have a parrot?" Miriam: "Yes, Russell taught him to mimic certain bars from symphonies. The parrot used to say 'Mrs. Robinson' when the phone rang-right around the time the song 'Mrs. Robinson' was popular. It was quite cute!" 7:54 Interviewer: "When did you move to Chicago?" Miriam: "I didn’t stay in Burlington after college. I went to Europe, came back, and ended up working on my master’s at the University of Chicago in French. I completed all the courses but didn’t do a thesis." 9:00 Miriam: "That’s when I met Jim. He had these piercing eyes that could undress you. We met on the stairs of Swift Hall." 9:29 Miriam: "He played the trumpet and earned his way through the University of Chicago. My first date with him was listening to him play at a theater on the south side of Chicago." 10:00 Miriam: "We played tennis together, and my roommate, Louise, introduced me to him. She ended up marrying a man through me, and she still lives in LA today." 10:54 Miriam: "Jim went to Harvard his first year without me, but he gave me a little Harvard guard all in pearls. That was our engagement." 11:06 Interviewer: "You were pinned?" Miriam: "Yes, but it was almost a fluke that I married Jim. While he was at Harvard, I started seeing Norvel Wright, a Northwestern medical student. But in the end, Jim and I got married."
14:36 - 14:38 James: Oh on the on the train it would take me about 45 minutes 14:38 - 14:42 Interviewer: Uhhuh and then you would kind of get everything wrapped up from the week before and all neat and organized 14:42 - 14:49 Interviewer: And then you'd go play golf I guess on Saturday afternoon and then Sunday morning You' get up and you go down to the office 14:49 - 14:55 Interviewer: And get everything laid out for Monday morning for your secretary is that 14:55 - 15:02 James: Yeah that and I just remembered that it got to be a habit and I'm not sure in retrospect it was a good habit 15:02 - 15:11 Interviewer: Then you had a heart condition several years back too probably what 20 years ago now wasn't it 15:11 - 15:17 James: About uh 13 uhhuh it was quite a heart condition it was a full-fledged heart attack 15:17 - 15:22 Interviewer: And that was actually that was the year that I I was staying with you 15:22 - 15:30 Interviewer: Oh that's right you taken me to the I was driving you around and 15:30 - 15:37 James: How I felt this business in the heart and uh went to see the doctor Saturn he said you're you take these pills you're okay 15:37 - 15:43 James: And that night I I didn't feel good so Le go to the hospital 15:43 - 15:51 James: So I went out and lifted up the garage door got into the car and drove to the hospital and they kept me there 15:51 - 15:57 Interviewer: So you didn't pass out or anything you 15:57 - 16:03 James: No no but they kept me there for 3 weeks or so 16:03 - 16:12 James: And then it was a long process of uh of recovering because I had 16:12 - 16:19 Interviewer: You had put me on the train to go down to Molen to spend I think Christmas with with my mother and stepdad 16:19 - 16:24 Interviewer: The night before I went to the hospital right I think yes 16:24 - 16:29 Interviewer: And then when I was down there Lucio called me and said that you'd had a heart attack and in the hospital 16:29 - 16:35 James: Yes that was a great surprise to me because I didn't smoke and I exercised 16:35 - 16:39 Interviewer: But what reasons did they give you that 16:39 - 16:42 James: Give me any reason no reason just happened just happened yes 16:42 - 16:48 Interviewer: And then how it took you you weren't able to play golf or anything for about how long 16:48 - 16:54 James: Oh quite a long time a year probably 16:54 - 16:58 Interviewer: Mhm but now you play golf how fre 16:58 - 17:03 James: L as much as I can 17:03 - 17:06 Interviewer: MH you played tennis when you were in uh 17:06 - 17:08 James: Yes I I played tennis a little 17:08 - 17:12 Interviewer: M cuz I have pictures of you and mother was tennis 17:12 - 17:14 James: I had a metal racket remember 17:14 - 17:18 Interviewer: You remember when they had metal rackets metal strings 17:18 - 17:20 James: Mm they still do 17:20 - 17:22 Interviewer: Yeah I don't think the metal strings 17:22 - 17:27 James: Not metal strings I've heard that yes I have a picture of of the with the 17:27 - 17:32 Interviewer: I see m you play 17:32 - 17:35 James: Oh that's right we get on with the eating again now 17:35 - 17:41 Interviewer: The eating eating you haven't eaten much maybe you want some refresh 17:41 - 17:45 James: Actually I have eaten a lot here very tasty 17:45 - 17:53 Interviewer: Does anyone else have any questions 17:53 - 18:01 Other Interviewer: Well I'd like to know where the uh okay he said that Granny's family was in Chicago 18:01 - 18:06 Other Interviewer: Her mother and father brothers and sisters grew up there and she has two left where are they living now 18:06 - 18:14 James: Well her sister Eva is in in a nursing home in Detroit and Al van is in uh Treasure Island uh in Florida 18:14 - 18:21 Other Interviewer: Now you call him van and yet was wasn't it van Deon 18:21 - 18:26 James: Yeah did they drop the Putin no we just used b as a short reference 18:26 - 18:32 Other Interviewer: Oh I see and what did what did he do you know what did any of the boys do hypnotism or anything following the Father's Footsteps or 18:32 - 18:42 James: No no 18:42 - 18:47 Other Interviewer: Did you ever see him do a h hypnotize people 18:47 - 18:52 James: I never did I've seen pictures of him on the stage with a tuxedo and my mother say standing next to him is his assistant 18:52 - 18:59 Other Interviewer: Oh really where would that picture might be you you have it 18:59 - 19:04 James: Al Al van has it he has quite a a book of history of the family 19:04 - 19:10 Other Interviewer: Oh great so you're going to see about 19:10 - 19:17 James: I'll see about the taking his uh de Vision okay 19:17 - 19:20 Other Interviewer: Great can we turn this off now 19:20 - 19:26 James: Going to sneeze so I can't turn it off ask you can just get up and leave 19:26 - 19:30 Interviewer: By I bring you some grapes while you're on stage 19:30 - 19:34 James: Well I have a sure okay I'll bring you bring some supplies 19:34 - 19:42 Interviewer: They don't have you on any kind of medication for that heart 19:42 - 19:47 James: No no they they in fact they never did I was surprised 19:47 - 19:52 Interviewer: Well now you take vitamins again or still don't you 19:52 - 19:55 James: Oh sure what kind of vitamins do you take 19:55 - 20:01 James: Well I don't think this would be a hisorical significance 20:01 - 20:07 Interviewer: Well who knows it might develop into a commercial 20:07 - 20:11 Interviewer: Might convince some of your grandchildren to to take some supplements 20:11 - 20:19 James: This one doesn't do that he probably doesn't need it candy he eats meat 20:19 - 20:26 James: But one thing I one thing I regret is that I didn't have a closer relationship with the and with uh my grandsons in California 20:26 - 20:34 James: I I regret that 20:34 - 20:42 Interviewer: Well we regret that too because you were so far away because of the disintegration of the first uh marriage I had 20:42 - 20:53 Interviewer: But we're trying to pick up the pieces a little I think and uh make up for for lost time at a very late date 20:53 - 21:07 James: But I tried to uh keep up with it as best I could but 21:07 - 21:13 Interviewer: Oh he was wonderful daddy would send me letters every few months or call me up 21:13 - 21:22 Interviewer: And I was always busy too busy doing something or other and he would go for months and months and once and never hear from me 21:22 - 21:30 Interviewer: He kept he kept he kept the contact going and even when I was a little kid he would always send me money for Christmas or for my birthday 21:30 - 21:36 Interviewer: And I would go visit him in Chicago like once or twice a year and he'd pick me up at the train and keep me for 21:36 - 21:43 Interviewer: I remember one time you flew into Chicago and the plane didn't stop at Chicago it just went right on to Detroit 21:43 - 21:50 Interviewer: And then you had to work your way back because the airport was closed in do you remember that 21:50 - 21:56 James: Yeah I think I was older now you were older yes yeah 21:56 - 22:02 Interviewer: MH and I remember one time we I took one of the boys to the airport and they were or two and they were on standby to fly back to California 22:02 - 22:10 James: Yeah I was on standby I think you stayed there the airport with me till about 1:00 in the morning 22:10 - 22:19 James: I remember getting on early in the morning and wasn't wasn't Rob with you or Rick I think I was the only with that went or on another plane 22:19 - 22:26 Interviewer: Maybe went on an earlier plan see I wouldn't let all three of them fly together I was a Jewish mother 22:26 - 22:33 Interviewer: Yes so Rick and Rob came back on one plane and jack and jack on another and Jack 22:33 - 22:40 Interviewer: So you had you you didn't have to but you did wait with Jack until there was a flight available for him 22:40 - 22:50 Interviewer: What are some of the experiences that you had with me when I was growing up and coming to visit you 22:50 - 23:02 Interviewer: Like I know you took took me and Granny and Lucille and you we went to George Williams College Camp couple of Summers I think for a week or two 23:02 - 23:08 James: Oh yes and then on one occasion I took you and an brown right up to a camp in Michigan 23:08 - 23:15 James: Right that was great George was quite young and you and uh and an were was 15 or 16 years old right mhm yeah yes that was interesting 23:15 - 23:26 James: And then I had a summer Cottage at the dunes which is near Chicago on the beach of Lake Michigan 23:26 - 23:35 James: And then uh your mother and uh and your father went to that Cottage on their honeymoon 23:35 - 23:42 Interviewer: You have any funny stories to tell about that no do you 23:42 - 23:49 Interviewer: Didn't you and somebody else provide some money or some canned goods or something for us for to take to the cabin 23:49 - 24:00 James: Oh yes there were there was a big lot of canned goods uh to take to the cabin and 24:00 - 24:07 James: I S remember waiting the train or something and die the the new bride took this great big bag of canned goods and slung it over her back 24:07 - 24:15 James: And and and Jack says don't do that that doesn't look right do you remember that 24:15 - 24:24 Interviewer: Well I don't remember that but I remember that somebody had given us money or something to buy this food 24:24 - 24:31 Interviewer: And we hadn't stayed the whole week because it rained so much and I didn't want to leave that food there 24:31 - 24:40 Interviewer: Cuz so I put it all in the bag and you brought it back huh dragged it to the airp to the train station and it was really heavy 24:40 - 24:49 James: Yes it was very heavy but 24:49 - 24:52 Interviewer: D still doesn't like to leave any food around 24:52 - 25:00 Interviewer: She doesn't like to leave much around she I like this stop it all under ref or in the other room 25:00 - 25:12 Interviewer: Oh dear well I think we can turn it off now I think that was very nice of you Jack
0:03 - 0:05 James: The business uh taking care of the the supplies, the supplies yeah mhm 0:13 - 0:20 Interviewer: Yeah well I think you heard the boring story long enough now don't you think no now we have to go back to the ancestors 0:20 - 0:26 Interviewer: I want to know more about Granny's your your your mother's father 0:26 - 0:31 James: My mother's mother well both mother's mother and mother's father well the name was Bandy hooton 0:31 - 0:35 James: It was a I think my grandfather was Dutch 0:39 - 0:44 James: And my mother's family came from England and my mother was one of about 10 children 0:44 - 0:53 James: Only two of whom are still living my father died at the age of 49 my mother died at the age of 88 0:53 - 1:07 Interviewer: Tell tell them why how how your mother why your mother died why she 1:12 - 1:16 [Laughter] 1:16 - 1:21 Interviewer: Died yeah Gran yeah well you told me something I thought was interesting about granny 1:21 - 1:26 Interviewer: She lived in this nice apartment in Old Park I used to go visit her as I was growing up 1:26 - 1:32 Interviewer: And she'd take me down to Marshall field we'd have peanut butter sandwiches and look at the big Christmas tree if it was Christmas time 1:39 - 1:45 Interviewer: And she had a couple of men who wanted to marry her uh and she used to date them but she would never get married again 1:45 - 1:51 Interviewer: And how let's see how old was she when your father died 1:51 - 1:55 James: 45 1:55 - 2:01 Interviewer: What she was so she never remarried but she did date the couple of uh I forgotten their names 2:01 - 2:05 Interviewer: What were they one was Bob somebody and I don't recall the other 2:05 - 2:08 James: Yeah Bob was a Christian Scientist 2:08 - 2:11 Interviewer: Oh and you said earlier your father was a Christian Scientist 2:11 - 2:14 James: Well he was a lot of things but uh during the last year or so he was a Christian Scientist yes 2:14 - 2:20 Interviewer: And when like when he was uh sick there uh just before he died you were telling us about your father in Christian Science 2:20 - 2:27 James: Yes well he had a reader read for him 2:27 - 2:32 Interviewer: What they don't know what that means you don't know what that means to have somebody pray for you if you're a Christian Scientist 2:32 - 2:41 James: Don't you can have somebody pray for you even they don't have to come to the house like a priest and all that they just pray for you from a distance 2:41 - 2:50 James: And the scientists didn't believe much in doctors but we still had a doctor for my father and uh then he had he had two very good friends who were scientists 2:50 - 3:00 James: They were I'd say they were Fanatics or zealots 3:04 - 3:07 Interviewer: Earlier this evening he called me a zealot that's why 3:11 - 3:15 Interviewer: So he died at the age of 49 what did he die of 3:15 - 3:22 James: Uh tubercular menitis it's a it's a disease now that I guess they can they can take take care of with medication but in those days they couldn't 3:22 - 3:30 James: My grandmother died of tuberculosis my father had a couple of sessions of tuberculosis 3:30 - 3:37 James: And um my father was a great Joiner he was rarely home at night he was always out at meetings he drank too much 3:37 - 3:48 James: And U he'd go into a tubercular sanitarium for a few months and they would tell him how he should live and he'd just go right back living as he as he did before 3:48 - 3:57 James: So he didn't take care of himself and uh died young but I I've always been very grateful to me because he sent me to a wonderful boys Camp every summer for six years 3:57 - 4:08 James: Where where I went for eight weeks every summer and it was just just wonderful 4:08 - 4:17 Interviewer: Well one thing you say how your father didn't take care of himself I know you've my from my perception you've taken very good care of yourself 4:17 - 4:26 Interviewer: Cuz when I used to come and visit you you would always put out a vitamin for me and was it because your father didn't take care of himself that you chose to 4:26 - 4:33 James: I think that has something to do with it and I think that's one reason I never drank very much 4:33 - 4:42 James: But I remember trying to get you interested in health foods and as a little girl I took die to a little farm place that served only health foods 4:42 - 4:53 James: And uh things that were grown without uh fertilizers and all that and uh she almost starved to death she didn't eat anything the whole the whole weekend remember that 4:53 - 5:06 Interviewer: No I remember trying to catch minnows in a stream though but she's changed quite a bit since then about health foods 5:12 - 5:22 Interviewer: Something must have stuck um oh you um I was talking about granny and that I remember I went to visit you in Chicago several years back 5:22 - 5:32 Interviewer: And I wanted to go and visit her like I had done when I was growing up and I guess I did go to see her and I was asking her about her ancestors 5:32 - 5:44 Interviewer: Yes and she got very upset and said it makes me tired I don't want to think about it don't ask me any question I see and which was really disturbing to me because I really wanted to know 5:44 - 5:54 James: Yes well her mother came from England her father I think came over very was it was a member of family that came over very early 5:54 - 6:06 James: Um and uh my mother had as I mentioned 11 about 11 siblings 6:06 - 6:13 Interviewer: I know didn't your father weren't they interested in spiritualism or something went to a spiritualist kind of a church 6:13 - 6:20 James: No my grandfather was a hypnotist 6:20 - 6:25 Interviewer: Oh okay oh your grandfather 6:25 - 6:30 James: My grandfather my well that was Granny's Granda yeah Granny's father was a hypnotist 6:30 - 6:38 James: And he he he got into a lot of different activities he was on the stage as a hypnotist he uh sold pancake flour Vans pancake flour 6:38 - 6:45 Interviewer: Oh look at that I want to do pancake flour 6:45 - 6:51 James: He um got into the automobile supply business and uh he was always getting into different activities 6:51 - 6:56 James: As a lot of people did at that time moving around from one business to to another 6:56 - 7:05 James: That he had all the boys working for him about four four or five sons and they all just worked with him in the in the uh automobile supply business and pumping gas and things of that sort 7:13 - 7:25 James: I had U an uncle who was just 9 months older than than I I was my grandmother had her last child just about the same time that my mother had me 7:25 - 7:31 Interviewer: Oh so where did they live what town did they 7:31 - 7:33 James: They lived in Chicago 7:33 - 7:36 Interviewer: Oh did they mhm right there pretty close to you 7:36 - 7:40 James: No on Sacramento Boulevard uh which is near 7:40 - 7:43 Interviewer: Ki that's on the South Side 7:43 - 7:46 James: North little North 7:46 - 7:48 Interviewer: Did you have much contact with your grandparents when you were a kids 7:48 - 7:54 James: Oh when I was young I had a great deal yes but later I I didn't when I went away to school 7:54 - 7:59 Interviewer: Uh-huh and then your father had some Brothers 7:59 - 8:01 James: Three Brothers he had three brothers art and Ed 8:01 - 8:04 James: Art and Ed and Ted yeah and they all outlived him by quite a number of years 8:04 - 8:11 James: And uh one Widow is still living Arlene no Arlene's dead but 8:11 - 8:19 James: Um U Louise elworth Ted's or Arts wife is still living 8:19 - 8:25 James: Uhhuh and she's uh getting quite feeble and cile now 8:25 - 8:31 Interviewer: What what kind of businesses were the your uncle stand 8:31 - 8:37 James: Well I was a lawyer oh was he and uh Ted 8:37 - 8:44 James: Uh I think T had something to do with insurance and he was a fanatic on pyramids 8:44 - 8:48 Interviewer: Oh really like in what way 8:48 - 8:58 James: Well he was always talking about pyramids and the number seven and things of that sort he was a a zealot 9:00 - 9:01 Interviewer: RS in the family 9:01 - 9:04 [Laughter] 9:04 - 9:10 Interviewer: Yeah huh well getting back to Granny in her last few years didn't she spend in a convalescent hospital 9:10 - 9:16 James: Oh yeah she was on the street in Oak Park and fell and and her hip either broke as a result of the fall or the fall was caused by the broken hip 9:16 - 9:25 James: Then she went to the hospital and from the hospital to a nursing home and she always thought that she would be returning to her apartment 9:25 - 9:33 James: But after she'd been in the nursing home for about a year my sister and I just gave up her apartment and dismantled it 9:33 - 9:41 James: But up until the time she died she was always looking forward to going back to her her home 9:41 - 9:47 Interviewer: And it was nice that she had that feeling that it was there for her whenever she got better 9:47 - 9:51 Interviewer: Cuz you never told her youd dismantled it 9:51 - 9:56 James: Oh no no she liked that feeling that it was there
9:56 - 10:03 Interviewer: Yeah for just like people like to feel that heaven is there for them and all that even though it isn't for them for some 10:03 - 10:13 Interviewer: But didn't you tell me too that she I guess after she her hip healed she really didn't seem to have the energy to get up and walk but she mostly just stayed in bed 10:13 - 10:23 James: She didn't want to the last few years she she didn't uh want to get up a great deal and she thought it was much better for her and just to lie in bed 10:23 - 10:33 James: And of course that's the worst thing you can do is just lie in bed so it was more difficult as she got older and more feeble to get her up to move around 10:33 - 10:39 Interviewer: Where shead well the main thing is to move around even though it's an effort 10:39 - 10:46 Interviewer: And you used to go visit her and um like wasn't it the cones Hospital close to where you live 10:46 - 10:54 James: Oh yeah I spent a great deal of time with her and luil died and then my mother died about a year later 10:54 - 11:08 James: And Lucille had a sister and uh four nieces two of whom uh are nuns 11:08 - 11:17 James: And uh there are a great many children in that family now even though two of the five children were nuns 11:17 - 11:27 James: The other three were extremely productive one had 10 children another had nine children and another had uh three 11:27 - 11:36 James: And they're starting to produce again I went to a recent wedding and mil Brown who's the the the the mother of this family said I have two two grandchildren or great grandchildren 11:36 - 11:42 James: Uh in process working right now at another table 11:53 - 12:03 Interviewer: So what is your secret um you don't seem to have any inkling of slowing down at all 12:03 - 12:15 Interviewer: Uh are you going to continue to work do you have any goals in terms of uh retirement 12:15 - 12:21 Interviewer: Yeah retiring somewhere down the road would you like to retire say to to Florida 12:21 - 12:29 James: I don't think I would I see so many retired people down there and they really don't know what to do with themselves 12:29 - 12:34 James: And I think many of them are unhappy although they won't won't admit it 12:34 - 12:41 James: I think it's just great to have a little something to do and an office to go to 12:41 - 12:49 James: And uh I think the worst thing you can do is uh is retire and have nothing to do 12:49 - 12:57 James: And I enjoy going to my office I even like to go Saturday morning and Sunday morning instead of just rattling around my apartment alone 12:57 - 13:05 James: And I don't always go down there to work for clients I may go down to work on my income tax return or pay my bills 13:05 - 13:12 James: Uh and things of that sort but it's like having a a little study only the study is not part of your house 13:12 - 13:20 James: It's just a uh a little distance away it's just a nice walk uh to it when I walk I have a destination 13:20 - 13:26 James: Instead of just wandering around with the no destination 13:26 - 13:34 James: But I have no plans to do anything other than that in the foreseeable future 13:34 - 13:43 James: And I only work about uh 6 hours a day I work until noon then I take a walk in the park and then I'll take a little nap 13:43 - 13:50 James: Then I'll have lunch then I'll come back at 2: and work until qu 5: then I'll go back to the club 13:50 - 13:58 James: And uh I'll ride the bicycle and swim a little and then I'll walk home or take the bus home and uh that takes care of the day quite adequately 13:58 - 14:05 Interviewer: You so you go to the club every day 14:05 - 14:09 James: Every day I stopped there on the way home 14:09 - 14:15 Interviewer: And you've been doing that for years even before you lived where you lived in 14:15 - 14:23 Interviewer: Oh yes mhm yeah I remember going to visit you when when the boys had been uh when we all stopped to visit you and then I stayed with you for a while 14:23 - 14:31 Interviewer: And you would get up on Saturday morning and go down to the office which was quite a distance then cuz you lived on the South Side 14:31 - 14:36 James: Yes yes it took what how long to get to your office
[00:00] Interviewer: I really ought to put a tie on for this session. You think he needs a tie tonight? [00:05] James: No, chic just decided to stop. Huh, you start it again now? [00:15] Interviewer: Yeah, I started it again. Seems to be moving, so shall I start moving again? [00:20] James: Sure, you can start moving. Um, you asked me if I had a happy childhood. [00:26] Interviewer: Did you have a happy childhood? Did you have brothers, sisters? [00:31] James: One brother. I had one sister who was three years younger. [00:39] Interviewer: You were the oldest? [00:47] James: I was the oldest, yes. There were just two children in my family. And my sister, uh, died about 8 years ago. Dorothy. [00:55] Interviewer: Dorothy? [01:03] James: Yes, and she was married to Richard Strawbridge and they lived in San Jose, California. [01:11] Interviewer: But you've always been in Chicago. You grew up in Chicago? [01:17] James: Did I grow up on the streets of Chicago? Were you uh, on the streets? [01:22] Interviewer: The streets essentially. I mean in 1906 or what, the 1920s in Chicago that was Al Capone. [01:30] James: Yes, I was going to high school during the heyday of the Capone organization. [01:37] Interviewer: Did you run into any kind of problems from any of those people? [01:43] James: I didn't, but many others did. Okay, I didn't have any problems, no. [01:52] Interviewer: What high school did you go to? [01:58] James: Austin High School. [02:04] Interviewer: And that was on what side of Chicago? [02:10] James: On the West side. And every summer I went to a boy camp at Madison, Wisconsin. [02:16] Interviewer: Is that with mountains and trees and trails? [02:23] James: Trails and a nice lake. Lake Mendota, right at Madison. And we had tents and I became the camp bugler. [02:28] Interviewer: So you play an instrument? [02:34] James: So after learning to play the bugle, then I learned to play the trumpet and I became a member of an orchestra, a dance orchestra in high school, and we played around quite a bit. [02:42] Interviewer: What kind of music did you play? Is it big band stuff? [02:48] James: Big band stuff, but with a small band. [02:53] Interviewer: How many members are in the band? [03:01] James: Probably less than eight. [03:07] Interviewer: Later, didn't you play in like the orchestra pit for silent movies? [03:16] James: Oh yes. And then when I went to the University of Chicago, the band I was playing with got a job in a theater playing for the silent movies. Apparently, the management didn't like the leader of the band, so he was fired and a new leader came in, a very fine lady violinist. She proceeded to fire everybody in the band but me, so I was the only remaining person in the orchestra that came originally. I played in theater orchestras for the four years that I attended the University of Chicago. [03:59] Interviewer: Is that how you financed your education? [04:04] James: To some extent, yes. And I made much more money than the big athletes made waiting on tables at the University. In those days, every silent movie had a little orchestra and an organist, and they would alternate. The orchestra would play and then the organ would play. [04:25] Interviewer: I always thought they only had a piano. [04:30] James: Well, that was much earlier. That was in the Nickelodeons. My father and his brothers owned two or three little theaters at that time, before 1920. They'd get my mother to go down there and play the piano during the movie. She said, "Well, I don't know what to play," and they just said, "Oh, play anything. Nobody pays any attention to what you play anyway, but they just like to hear some music." [05:01] Interviewer: Oh really? I didn't know Granny could play the piano. [05:07] James: Well, she played it a little, good enough for them. [05:14] Interviewer: Now you say your father and his brothers owned some theaters. I didn't realize that. [05:21] James: Yes, they operated two or three theaters in Austin and Maywood or someplace like that. But they didn't have the initiative that Balaban and Katz had, so their little theaters never developed into a big movie chain, and they got out of the business after a while. [05:36] Interviewer: I'd like to know more about your father. Didn't he start out as a runner or an errand boy for some financial institution? [05:41] James: Well, when he was in grammar school, there was an ad in the paper for an office boy, and he answered the ad and got the job as an office boy. Many years later, the newspaper published quite an article about the fact that he'd answered a Tribune want ad, and now he was a cashier of a big bank. He stayed with that bank all his life. It was a very good Jewish bank called Greenebaum Sons Bank and Trust Company. I was named after one of the owners of that bank, James Eugene Greenebaum. [06:28] Interviewer: I'm glad he had such a nice name, James, instead of some particularly Jewish name. [06:34] James: Yes. [06:40] Interviewer: What else do you want to know about my father? [06:45] Interviewer: Well, how was he affected in the Depression with his position at Greenebaums? [06:51] James: Well, he still had a job, but he never made a lot of money. I remember him telling me one time the most money he ever made in a year was $7,500. [07:04] Interviewer: Oh, and yet he became what? Was he vice president? [07:10] James: He was cashier of the bank. And he was very active in Masonic circles. He was Master of the lodge. He would conduct funerals and things like that. [07:22] Interviewer: And he wasn't the next level up from Mason, is a Shriner. Wasn't he a Shriner? [07:29] James: Yes. [07:38] Interviewer: So you're in college. So I went to the University of Chicago for four years. [07:45] James: For four years. [07:55] Interviewer: Did you major in anything, or did they have majors? Was it just straight? [08:01] James: They had majors. I majored in sociology and history. [08:08] Interviewer: Christina wanted to major in history at the University of Idaho, College of Idaho. When did you decide you wanted to be a lawyer? [08:16] James: When my father told me that he thought I would be a good lawyer because I was tall and I like to argue. [08:22] Interviewer: Two generations later, still going on. So then? [08:28] James: I just applied to the Harvard Law School because I didn't want to go to the University of Chicago Law School. I'd been around there for a number of years. So they admitted me and off I went to the law school. I had a much easier time getting in than the applicants have now. There was no aptitude test to be taken. You just had to have a degree from a reputable college. [09:04] James: So I went there, and at the end of the first year, I came back to Chicago and married D's mother, Miriam. Then we stayed on campus throughout the next 2-year period in Cambridge, which is near Boston. We were there for two full years and never came back during the summer. We just stayed there because money was scarce, and there was no money to take care of a trip home and a trip back and all that. [09:52] James: I worked for the University during the summer, digging ditches and cleaning up debris in the dormitories and hauling it out to the garbage dump and unpacking artifacts from Egypt. [10:05] Interviewer: Did you give up your trumpet at that time? [10:13] James: Yes, the only time I played was in the summer, but I didn't do any playing during the law school year. So eventually, I just dropped the whole thing, but it served a wonderful purpose. [10:24] Interviewer: You're saying that you helped build the Harvard Business College? [10:31] James: Yes. At the time, they were building the Harvard Business School across the river, and I was over there throwing dirt around, helping them build it. The summers in Cambridge can be very hot. It was very uncomfortable at times. [10:47] Interviewer: So you stayed there all year round? [10:53] James: Stayed there all year around. We had an apartment that was near the law school, and we just stayed on the entire 2-year period. [10:59] Interviewer: Did you take classes during the summer? [11:04] James: No, I just hauled garbage around and threw dirt around. [11:11] Interviewer: What was mother doing while you were there? [11:18] James: Well, she was working for the university in, I think, one of the museums, Peabody Museum. [11:23] Interviewer: So she worked the entire 2-year period that we were there? [11:29] James: She worked, and I studied, and she typed my notes and all that. It was very helpful to me. [11:36] Interviewer: And then when you graduated, I understand you took a trip to the White Mountains, a little vacation before you went back to Chicago? [11:42] James: Well, I think that was during the summer between the second and third years. We bought a car, a Studebaker, for $25. [11:48] Interviewer: $25? Was that a lot of money back then? [11:56] James: Oh yes, it was quite a bit of money. [12:03] Interviewer: Did you have to save for a long time for the car? [12:08] James: I don't recall. [12:16] Interviewer: Was it a new car? [12:22] James: It was a real old Studebaker, an old one. [12:27] Interviewer: Did it serve you well? Did it ever break down? [12:34] James: It didn't serve us well, and it did break down, just like today. Then we brought it back, and I went to a dealer and asked if he wanted to buy the car. Mar was sitting in the car looking very nice, and he said, "How much do you want for it?" I said "$25," and he thought it was a real bargain until he saw the condition of the seats after Mar got out of the car. By then, we had sold it. The seats were all torn up and all that. It was really a wreck. Claude.ai please write the transcript of the interview with James E. Elworth with time codes the interviewee=James E. Elworth
[13:01] Interviewer: Then when you came back to Chicago, the Depression was in full swing? [13:07] James: The Depression was in full swing, yes. I was lucky to get a job. [13:13] Interviewer: Where did you get a job in Chicago? [13:20] James: With a law firm in Chicago. But I had to take the bar examination, so that was several months, and I had to take a review course and all that too. [13:29] Interviewer: Was it difficult to get a job in Chicago at that time? [13:35] James: Extremely difficult. [13:42] Interviewer: What year was it? Do you remember? [13:49] James: 1931. [13:54] Interviewer: 1931. The Depression was...the fall of 1929 is when the crash was, and then this was a couple of years later. So you were in college, law school when the Depression hit? [14:01] James: I was in my first year of law school. I'd been there only two or three months when the crash came. [14:06] Interviewer: Did that affect you in any way? [14:13] James: No, I just kept on going. I had a little money, and Miriam was working, and we just kept going. We were insulated from all that. [14:19] Interviewer: And your dad was able to send you some money too, wasn't he? [14:25] James: He must have been. I don't really recall how we handled it. I think maybe I had a little money saved from playing in an orchestra and all that before we started. [14:30] Interviewer: From what mother says, your mother and dad lived quite well because even though he was making $7,000 a year, that was fairly good at that time. And your house was like that you grew up in was pretty... [14:42] James: We always lived in an apartment. [14:48] Interviewer: Did you? They were nice apartments? [14:55] James: My mother loved to move from one apartment to another all the time. [15:00] Interviewer: Is that right? And we did a lot of moving too. We took...moved to Oak Park then. And my sister went to Beloit College in Wisconsin, and there she met her husband, Richard Strawbridge. And that's where I went later. [15:08] Interviewer: You went to Beloit for a year? [15:14] James: Yes. [15:21] Interviewer: How did Dorothy happen to choose Beloit? [15:27] James: She wanted a small school away from home and not a big school such as I went to. [15:34] Interviewer: But it was pretty near home. How did you happen to choose the University of Chicago to go to? [15:40] James: One of my classmates at Austin High School said, "I'm going over to the University of Chicago to look around. Would you like to go with me?" And I didn't realize at the time what a great school the University of Chicago was. It's one of the great educational institutions in the country. [15:52] Interviewer: Didn't you have to have special grades to get into that then? [16:00] James: No, I guess not. [16:06] Interviewer: Your grades weren't anything special? [16:12] James: Maybe they weren't anything special, no. [16:19] Interviewer: Did you feel like you did pretty well in high school? [16:25] James: I guess I did all right. [16:30] Interviewer: Did you enjoy...were you active in, say, sports in high school and college? [16:36] James: No, I was more active in the band. [16:42] Interviewer: So you enjoyed music, band? [16:47] James: Yes. [16:53] Interviewer: You enjoy music even to this day? [17:01] James: Oh yes. I heard a lot of wonderful music in the theater because when the pit orchestra would play music for the picture, most of the music they played was good music, good classical music. We always had a theme song, so whenever the two leads got together, we'd drop everything and play the theme song several times during the picture. But the music was very good. [17:06] Interviewer: But it was really hard enjoying the picture when you sit so close to it? [17:14] James: But I got used to it. [Laughter] [17:21] Interviewer: Well then, so you came back to Chicago and had to...how long did it take to sign up for the review and take the exam? [17:26] James: That's probably covered several months. [17:32] Interviewer: Oh, it was all during the summer? [17:38] James: I took the review course and then took the bar exam later in the summer. [17:44] Interviewer: Oh, I see. Meantime, I was working too at the law firm. [17:50] Interviewer: Oh, so they hired you ahead of time? [17:56] James: They hired me ahead of time. [18:01] Interviewer: How did you happen to find that job? Because it was...you were just out of law school. [18:07] James: Just buffed it around, going to most of the good firms. My father knew a judge, a very popular, well-known judge, and my father introduced me to him and told him that I was looking for a job. And he said, "Well, just go around all the law firms and tell them I sent you." So that was helpful. It got my foot in the door.
17:38 Interviewer: You were just out of law school, just, uh, buffed it around going to most of the... 17:44 James E. Elworth: Good firms. My father knew a judge, a very popular, well-known judge, and, uh, my father introduced me to him and told him that I was looking for a job. And he said, "Well, just go around all the law firms and, uh, tell them I sent you." So that was helpful. It got my foot in the door. But there were so many students from local law schools who were having a terrible time finding a job, and I think the fact that I'd gone to Harvard helped me get my foot in the door to get a job. 18:19 Interviewer: And then after you'd been there a year? 18:27 James E. Elworth: I got fired because they had too many young lawyers. 18:33 Interviewer: Oh, I see. James E. Elworth: Maybe they didn’t like my work, I don’t know. 18:40 Interviewer: So this was 1932? James E. Elworth: 1932, yes. 18:44 Interviewer: You’re, uh, looking for another job? 18:46 James E. Elworth: Then I started looking for another job. I remember coming home telling them I was fired and I had to start looking for another job. 18:51 Interviewer: Did you feel that was right, that they fired you? Did you get along with the people there? 18:58 James E. Elworth: I got along with the people, yes. So, uh, then I started looking for another job. 19:04 Interviewer: During that year, money was still kind of tight because I don’t suppose they paid you too well? 19:11 James E. Elworth: $25 a week. That’s what they paid me. 19:14 Interviewer: So it seems to me that Mother said you lived in a, like, an upstairs flat near a railroad track or an elevated train? 19:19 James E. Elworth: We lived in a little apartment that was on Stony Island Avenue, and the streetcars were in front and the Illinois Central Railroad was in the back. 19:26 Interviewer: Oh, wow. 19:31 James E. Elworth: But it was a nice neighborhood, near the University of Chicago, across from the park. 19:38 Interviewer: So then you had to start looking for another job? 19:41 James E. Elworth: Yes, I was lucky enough to find one with another small firm, and I stayed with that firm for, uh, 10 years. 19:48 Interviewer: Small firm being how many lawyers? 19:51 James E. Elworth: Uh, about six or seven. 19:58 Interviewer: What was the name of the law firm? 20:01 James E. Elworth: The name of the law firm was Burry, Johnstone, Peters, and Dixon. It was a very nice little firm, and, uh, I was there for 10 years. 20:11 Interviewer: And then the firm broke up because of the war? 20:17 James E. Elworth: 1942. 20:18 Interviewer: 1942. 20:19 James E. Elworth: And in the meantime, Miriam and I had been divorced, and I had remarried, uh, Lucille, and then we had, uh, George. So, the firm broke up in 1942, and then I joined the law firm of Swift and Company. 20:37 Interviewer: How did the war cause it to break up? 20:40 James E. Elworth: Well, because two of the partners were called into service, and a couple of the other lawyers were pretty old, and it just couldn’t continue to operate as a firm any longer. 20:50 Interviewer: Did you have a specialty while you worked there at that firm? 20:55 James E. Elworth: No, just did a little of everything. 21:03 Interviewer: So, I remember George was 10 years younger, so he must have been born in 1942? 21:08 James E. Elworth: He was born right after Pearl Harbor. 21:10 Interviewer: Uh-huh. 21:12 James E. Elworth: But I think the fact that I did remarry and have George kept me out of the service, maybe saved my life, because I was a pre-Pearl Harbor father, even though George was born after Pearl Harbor. 21:35 James E. Elworth: And I was working in an essential industry, the packing industry, furnishing meat for the soldiers. So, anybody working for Swift, even though they didn’t have anything to do with the production of meat, was given an exemption. So, those two things kept me out of the service. 22:05 Interviewer: I remember going to visit you at Swift & Company when I was, let’s see, I must have been 10 or 12. 22:13 James E. Elworth: Yes, between '42 and '52, you visited me. 22:20 Interviewer: Right, yes. You had me go through the packing plant, show me how they killed the animals. 22:27 James E. Elworth: Yes. 22:27 Interviewer: And then we went over to the International House and had a steak dinner. 22:33 James E. Elworth: And I remember you saying, “Aren’t you, like, how can you eat that? You just saw how the animals are killed?” 22:40 Interviewer: I remember sectioning my mind. 22:44 James E. Elworth: Most people get over it. You got over it more quickly than some. 22:47 Interviewer: I refused to connect the two. 22:50 James E. Elworth: I see. 22:52 Interviewer: So then you were with Swift for? 22:58 James E. Elworth: 10 years. 22:59 Interviewer: For 10 years. 23:00 James E. Elworth: Another 10 years. And then I went with a large law firm. 23:04 Interviewer: So you were practicing law for what, 25 years at that point? 23:08 James E. Elworth: About 20, a little over 20 years. 23:10 Interviewer: A little over 20 years. 23:12 James E. Elworth: Yes. 23:14 Interviewer: Before you? 23:17 James E. Elworth: Then I left Swift and went to a large law firm of about 50 or 60 lawyers, and I stayed with them for almost 25 years. 23:29 Interviewer: So, you stayed with Swift and Company for 10 years? James E. Elworth: Yes, for another 10 years. 23:34 Interviewer: And then you went with a larger law firm? James E. Elworth: Yes, I went with a large law firm. Interviewer: You were practicing law for what, about 25 years at that point? 23:41 James E. Elworth: A little over 20 years, yes. 23:44 Interviewer: And that was downtown Chicago, right? In a big skyscraper? James E. Elworth: Yes, big skyscraper. We had two floors, and there were about 60 lawyers. 23:51 Interviewer: Did you become a partner at that law firm? James E. Elworth: Yes, I became a partner shortly after joining the firm, within two or three years. 23:58 Interviewer: Oh really, that seems quick. Is that normal? James E. Elworth: No, not really. But I had been practicing law for over 20 years when I joined the firm, so I didn’t start at the bottom like a recent graduate would have. 24:07 Interviewer: After 25 years at that firm, what happened? James E. Elworth: After 25 years, I left with two other partners and we organized our own firm. We moved to a different building, and I was with that firm for about 10 years. 24:17 Interviewer: And what happened to that firm? James E. Elworth: The firm dissolved last year, and I decided to go on my own. 24:24 Interviewer: So now you're an independent practitioner? James E. Elworth: Yes, I’m essentially my own boss now. 24:30 Interviewer: Do you have your own office, or do you share space with others? James E. Elworth: I share space. It’s kind of like a co-op. We all share the rent, and I pay for whatever services I need. 24:38 Interviewer: Do you have a secretary? James E. Elworth: Yes, I use a secretarial service in the building when my own secretary is not available. 24:44 Interviewer: That sounds flexible. So, are we done with the professional story, or do you want to talk more about your career? James E. Elworth: I think that covers most of it. I’ve been practicing law for a long time, and I’m still active, though on a smaller scale. Interviewer: Got it. Let's shift gears now. How about we talk about your family history a bit more? 24:57 James E. Elworth: Sure, let’s go back to that. Interviewer: Earlier, you mentioned that George was born in 1942. How’s he doing now? James E. Elworth: George is doing well. He has a wife and three sons-Steven, John, and James, named after me. Steven is 5, John is 9, and James is the one with the allergies. 25:12 Interviewer: James is the one with the allergies, right. And George, he’s the one who went into law, didn’t he? James E. Elworth: Yes, George went to Stanford for undergrad and then to the University of Michigan for law school. 25:19 Interviewer: What’s his job now? James E. Elworth: He’s an Assistant Attorney General for the state of Michigan. He’s been there for about 8 years now. 25:26 Interviewer: Oh, impressive. And before that? James E. Elworth: Before that, he worked for a large law firm in Chicago and even did a year as a public defender in Atlanta, Georgia. 25:32 Interviewer: Was George ever in the military? James E. Elworth: Yes, he served two years in Korea, after the Korean War. He was in the supply division, not really on the front lines. 25:41 Interviewer: So, he was in logistics or something? James E. Elworth: Yes, something like that. He wasn't a line fighter; he was more on the support side of things. They called it the "Jewish Infantry" because a lot of the guys in that division were Jewish. Interviewer: [Laughs] That's funny! So, after that, he came back and went into law? James E. Elworth: Yes, and he’s been in it ever since. ChatGPT please write the transcript with time codes beginning at time codes 17:38. write the complete question and answer.
I love this building! I'm new to PT and I am shocked that this elegant centerpiece of Port Townsend hasn't been restored. Actually, it's embarrassing to this community that it stands there empty and decaying. The PNW doesn't appear to have much desire to honor its history and the buildings that represent that history. So many of them have been torn down and are now lost throughout the Seattle area! Thank goodness the east coast states had the foresight and desire to save so many homes and buildings that existed at the founding of our country. I know it costs a lot of money to save these buildings but the longer it goes the more expensive it will get. At least seal up the broken windows and cracks to keep the pigeons, etc. out.
Jack (black hat) Hits Ball Into The Net 0:45 Did not bend right knee/No follow through 3:05 Did not transfer weight/No follow through 3:27 Did not slide over to the ball/Made an uncontrolled aggressive stab at the ball 4:14 Did not wait for the ball/Single Handed 6:01 Flick/Right knee not bent/No follow though (not a smooth stroke) 5:53 Smooth stroke 6:25 ?? 6:45 No follow though/Rushed shot/Not smooth 7:11 Good defensive shot from shoe laces 7:25 Didn't get low enough 8:17 Stabs at a low ball/No touch 9:02 Trying out a different stroke 9:27 38 Stroke Rally 10:44 Lackadaisical swing 11:25 Lackadaisical swing 15:07 No follow though 18:41 Misjudged ball 24:09 No follow though 27:05 Top spin fail 28:15 ?? 28:48 Failed Flick from shoelaces 30:06 No follow though
The Pickleball Hustle In the world of pickleball, where the game's the thing, Players strive for glory, to hear the crowds sing. With Tony and Jack, it's all about the thrill, As they dive into the rhythm of the Kitchen Line Dink Drill. Consistency is key, it's what they strive to achieve, Repeating every motion, till it's easy to believe. Repetition is their mantra, they never miss a beat, In the quest for perfection, they won't accept defeat. Ball control is vital, to dictate the game's pace, With finesse and precision, they aim to win the race. Footwork like a dancer, they glide across the floor, Every step deliberate, leaving opponents wanting more. Stroke mechanics perfected, every swing and every swerve, They've studied every angle, every twist and every curve. Two-handed roll off both wings, a move that sets them apart, With style and finesse, they'll win over any heart. In the heat of the moment, they're cool as ice, With the Kitchen Line Dink Drill, they pay the ultimate price. They lean into the kitchen, with a swagger and a flair, Hitting balls out of the air, like they just don't care. So here's to Tony and jack, the kings of the court, With their jazzy, rap song rhythm, they never come up short. In the world of pickleball, they're legends in the making, With their passion and their talent, there's no mistaking. So let's raise a paddle, and give them a cheer, For the Pickleball Hustle, they hold dear. With consistency, repetition, and a whole lot of skill, They'll conquer any challenge, with the Kitchen Line Dink Drill.
Mastering Pickleball: The Kitchen Line Dink Drill Quiz 1. What is the primary emphasis of the Kitchen Line Dink Drill? a) Power shots b) Serving accuracy c) Consistency d) Lob shots 2. Which of the following is NOT a focus area during the drill? a) Footwork b) Weightlifting c) Ball control d) Stroke mechanics 3. What is the duration of the extended Kitchen Line Dink Drill practiced by Tony and the author? a) 60 minutes b) 30 minutes c) 90 minutes d) 120 minutes 4. Which shot involves leaning into the kitchen and hitting the ball out of the air? a) Lob shot b) Volley c) Drop shot d) Drive shot 5. In pickleball, what is emphasized by getting low during a shot? a) Increasing power b) Reducing balance c) Enhancing ball control d) Slowing down the game 6. What does weight distribution in pickleball refer to? a) Balancing snacks b) Shifting weight dynamically during a shot c) Increasing racket weight d) Adding ankle weights 7. Which technique adds versatility to the player's shot repertoire in pickleball? a) Two-handed roll off both wings b) No-handed roll c) One-handed backhand only d) Single-handed volley 8. What does the term "stroke mechanics" in pickleball refer to? a) Correct grip on the paddle b) The way players greet each other before a match c) Refinement of shot execution technique d) Speed of serving 9. What disrupted the flow of communication during Tony and the author's latest live stream session? a) Technical difficulties b) Rain c) Injured players d) Audience noise 10. How did the inclement weather affect the duration of the live stream session? a) It extended the session b) It had no effect c) It shortened the session d) It canceled the session 11. What is the primary goal of practicing repetitions in pickleball? a) To tire out the opponent b) To impress the audience c) To reinforce muscle memory d) To test equipment durability 12. Which of the following is a crucial aspect of successful court movement in pickleball? a) Keeping eyes closed b) Remaining stationary c) Agile footwork d) Heavy stomping 13. How does leaning into the kitchen during a dinking exchange affect the game? a) It increases the player's chances of getting injured b) It makes the player look taller c) It puts pressure on opponents d) It confuses the player 14. What is the primary purpose of the Kitchen Line Dink Drill? a) To practice serving b) To improve teamwork c) To enhance fundamental skills d) To take a break 15. What serves as the cornerstone of Tony and the author's training regimen? a) The Kitchen Line Drive Drill b) The Serve and Smash Drill c) The Dance-off Drill d) The Kitchen Line Dink Drill Answer Key: c) Consistency b) Weightlifting c) 90 minutes b) Volley c) Enhancing ball control b) Shifting weight dynamically during a shot a) Two-handed roll off both wings c) Refinement of shot execution technique a) Technical difficulties c) It shortened the session c) To reinforce muscle memory c) Agile footwork c) It puts pressure on opponents c) To enhance fundamental skills d) The Kitchen Line Dink Drill
I actually miss Ryan Meyer and Juan stanky i was part of the crew in training from 11 years off and on i was supposed to do more but we had the COVID and i was wondering how Ryan is doing
Mine … built Feb 02, 1955. Notice the TC across the street (white wall tires). Owners and wife’s were on their way to Napa for a tour of the many wineries etc.
