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Went on a buying spree just prior to the announcment. I think i'm just missing two shuttles, U-wing and the Alpha wing. My Naboo fighters are 3d printed and i'm gonna get a tie agressor thats 3d printed at some point so technically missing those. Basiclaly i can't find any of them even on ebay at least at reasonable prices. As for official current black box stuff in the Uk its basically nearly all gone now.
2.0 is the better version and is the dog fighting version. AMG turned the game into x-wing MCP and the new group that is taking over is going to push 2.5 and continue to push players away.
Why would it push players away? I;ve never played 2.0. reading about it it has rule si don't really like. I've been playign 2.5 and enjoying it so far. The only thing i'm, nmot keen on is the way selecting loadouts and ships work. 2.0 looks bette rthere BUt BOTh games have issues with ships not being allowed thing they can use IN CANON so i'm probably gonna just ignore both and maybe make my own loadout list. Things like teh Head hunter literally having missile tubes on the model but not allowed to have missiles is so silly.
@@kudosbudo They completely changed the rules, gameplay and list building. Almost everyone I know that switched to 2.5 would go back to 2.0 in a heartbeat if given the choice. The only problem is the new design team will continue down the same path that destroyed the game.
Yeah I’d rather have seen that happen before officially releasing a new version tho 🥴. Or at least AMG telling us this is a playtest. I printed out the new rules in a booklet at a printshop a few days ago. Apparently those are already ‘outdated’. Not cool.
They drop Star Wars Armada (who was the best game that I ever played) and X-Wing to concentrate on Legion, Shatterpoint and MCP because those last game have a better investment-revenue ratio. Shame on them. They don't want to call it 2.0 just because of what already happened with X-Wing 2.0.
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As someone who's never played and just decided to jump in - the new legion 2.0 as the community is calling it seems to make way more sense for how an actual battlefield works. I guess I'm confused, because the changes make sense for a battlefield and legion based on the way it plays is screaming to feel like an active warzone. The card design is questionable as an outsider looking at old and looking at new.
Some people might disagree, but I’d wait for new starters. Possibly next year. Other wise you’ll be playing a game in a very messy state. But to you ofcourse!
This is feeling a lot like x wing...I'm heavily invested in legion and was with x wing...I hope this doesn't go the same direction...new rules to the fall of the game...
Awesome video. I love x-wing. i dropped out due to the price that i would have had to buy for 2.0. I rather stay playing at 1.0 and have fun with friends. Have fun.
@@thewynnest yeah cards seem great for those that hate codex changes. But eventually it's just trash to sort, you buy fancy binders for weird shaped cards, then you don't have cards for proxied units. Then you still have to rebuy them all after an edition change.
I was about to get back into it, but now I am probably gonna focus on other games until phase 2 has unfolded. I mean this in regards to purchasing anything i might just play the old version until then or try the new one once the online recourses are updated. But designwise it is a clear downgrade
"I don't want this to be negative"... followed by an 11min negativity rant. For all the things you've pointed out thats negative how did you fail to mention/see that the art is 10x better? You pick out the fonts but don't notice the art?? I'm not sure if you know this but Legion was very stale and stagnating.
Hi! I didn’t fail to mention the art, watch the video again. To say ‘it’s 10x better’ is your opinion, just like I projected mine about the fonts. Lets respect each others opinion. It’s an initial thoughts video (see title). I even mention that I’ll make a more informed/organized one later. The disclaimer tells you it turned out to be more negative than I usually want to get on my channel, and even that the game might be really good now. Hope this helps?
First off: I feel like the changes are mostly positive and I’m enjoying them I do like what you said about the codex and I believe AMG could benefit from something like it. I think another solution is having an app that is accessible offline. Sometimes LGS can have spotty internet service. The whole card thing is getting out of hand, especially if we have to wait a year for new physical ones. And who knows what will change after that? Having to tell a new player: “you know all those cards you just bought in the upgrade packs? Well all of those are not even correct”
I'm going to bring in the counterpoint argument... There's a lot of change, yes there are a lot of cards that will not be useful anymore, yes. Obsolescence is And inevitability of life, though it is a whole lot better to have obsolete card that need new versions printed then fully losing an entire piece of the game. The new rule set is what parked my ears to come back and give Legion a try after I stepped away from the game 4 years ago. As an old, long-time X-Wing player, I am encouraged to see that AMG is putting design effort into some of what was inherited. Yes, they are pulling a lot of parallels from MCP, but at least they are drawing from what they know and what has a track record of performance. I would much rather them build with blocks that they are familiar with, instead of introducing untested rules and mechanics
Good points! Great that you’ve returned to the game. I think this went a lot smoother than X-Wing. I think the trick is to keep what good and cut loose what’s not. I feel that they prioritized the wrong things. But that’s just my opinion ofcourse!
I don’t play Legion but played X-wing. I just hope for you all that they don’t change a bunch of things and then 6 months to a year later just say no more development. But you also paint Legion models which is what to me seems like make or breaks a game for AMG.
I don’t know, we could all try playing a few games (or a dozen) before we decide whether the changes are good or bad. Just a thought … FWIW, folks in my local game store are cautiously optimistic, and we’re trying to focus on what we want to test and understand.
Which I already planned to do, and like I also mentioned in my video; we’re gonna have to wait and see. My initial thoughts on the branding and new card layout though, it doesn’t change. Heard some good things about the new rules from my own community as well, hopes are high!
I am a 'new' player in that I bought the clone starter set 2 years ago and never actually got into the game. I started playing with my wife again last month and now we got a new edition. It's all pretty confusing :')
Someone at AMG discovered Aurebesh! Good for them, bad for the customers. This is Legion's X-wing 2.5, a.k.a. AMG's shittin' over a working product to leave their mark. Brace yourselves for the abandonment of the game next. You guys may as well ignore the new rules and cards already.
I like the change to the units since most of them needed some changes, and i also like the change to cover because finally units like droidekas,atrt,spyders ans a lot of heroes can play while having amall attack pools
I'm just not going to spend money on licensed (or unlicensed) games for a while. When they ultimately discontinue production having multiple editions will make it harder for the community to carry on with a legacy version.
I'm feeling the same way, I have a lot of legion and I got burned with x wing because of AMG...I can't justify purchasing more product if they end up killing this game too...I hope that doesn't end up being the case, but I still have some gaming PTSD
Ultimately I’m fine with all the rules changes. I’ve been playing miniature games for 20 years now, I’m used to rules changing. That said I am not okay with the roll out. It’s clear this is a 2nd edition. So why not release a new 2nd edition starter box with new models, rules, and accessories? Why can I print cards out now for the new edition but if I buy a starter box I’m getting 1st edition rules? Imagine being a new player, buying a starter box and then being told you have to go online and print out the new cards. It feels cheap. Also what’s with AMG’s refusal to engage with the community? It feels like they refuse to acknowledge their community. You would think they would do a better job of engaging, building up hype and explaining the various changes. If they want to avoid nightmares like this, ask the community for feedback.
⚠️ - larger squads - lack of playtesting - (unnecessary) changes - … Feels just like the roadmap AMG 'destroyed' X-Wing with. ☹️ Larger squads made X-Wing slow, stale und changed the meta towards slowplay. Games stoped being full of action and zoom-zoom. Playtesting was done by the community: in the first half year. Most horrible time ever!! Changes and new rules/mechanics are fine - UNLESS you just do them because you neeeeed to do something. 😒 ⚠️ As a X-Wing player I say 'beware'!
After they took away this wonderful product from FFG these clowns have destroyed all the Star Wars stuff. Shatterpoint is garbage although the miniatures look good. The art on those cards of Shatterpoint looks like a retarded four-year-old created them. Now this?? Also canceling Armada and XWing is a crime.
Well that's my point of view (of course) but towards those things I tend to be on the negative side. I have this thought that if I wanted a different set of rules (whatever the slightest) or different anything in boardgames or videogames, I would already be playing a different game. Well... I'm not a competitive player so all that is not exactly a concern of mine, and I'll be playing my games the way is fun to me and my friends (as I'm doing with x-wing just ignoring all the new sh*t); but it is sad to think another thing that I had so much passion may go away.
Yeah, I felt the same way about Legion; the ‘old’ version was fine to me, apart from the line of sight rules and some specific unit stats. They could have just updated the rules, without the need for entirely rebranding the game and cards.
Exactly. Tweaks....adjustments.... are natural and welcome, but holding "sacrate" the heart and soul of it. Otherwise is almost a completely different thing; and I not sure if it is a thing for me anymore.
But yet... Let's hope it's something good. We are the ones, the fans, holdings those games alive, and enjoying it after all. Let's hope it is as good, or who knows.... even better than "old Legion". We are always suckers for cool games anyway specially star wars haha
Im excited about the new rules. not thrilled about not having everything on the card, but quick guide can help there. I do like the new layout and art on the cards. will miss the pictures on the upgrade cards.
The cards are so much better for me. I don’t have to explain to new players that the rules on the cards are reminders and not the full rules. The font is so much easier to read. Easier to glance at a card and see all the keywords. Haven’t got it to the table yet, cover rules look so much better, transport is hard to evaluate without playing. Leader changes look great as does Exemplar being rolled out wider. Love the 1000pts 5 round in principle but we will see. Biggest concern is having to get more grunts from a $ perspective.
This is a very negative and uninformed opinion. 1. They clearly said that the new unit cards will be free for print-to-play just like they have done with errata in the past. This will continue like it always has. 2. You skipped the whole reason for the new design - multilinguality. 3. They changed deployment to increase agency and tactics. 4. Increasing unit trooper capacity is a way to increase individuality in list-building while both enabling the feel of 'swarm' legions and keeping the more elite normal legions' viability. 5. The rules update enable further product creation and sales without necessitating power creep, which protects your already purchased units. There are now more possibilities for new diverse yet equally powerful new units. 6. They have purposefully avoided making any of your units obsolete. And the new rules, which you yourself admit that you haven't read (before a review...), are really fun, true to reality and heightens agency. 7. It is okay to say that you think everything looks shit now. But art is subjective. Your thoughts of the design clearly color your thoughts of the update... The solution to this would be to just print and play with the old styled/themed cards which is also free to find-to-print or redesign online. The design of the cards (which you are allowed to change out yourself) is not vital to the gameplay - which you are negative against. 8. I also think several things look like shit, but I do still agree with the changes to the game, rules and the vision going forward. I'll easily just redesign, print, and play with my own cooler cards if I so wish.
Thought I made it clear in the beginning that this was a initial thoughts video. Literally minutes after I watched the entirety of the livestream for the first time. I also mentioned a longer video is coming. And you make fair points, I agree on most of them. Thanks for your input!
@@thewynnest Yes you did indeed! Which was very commendable. I myself wish nothing but to counter-inform on the rather negative outlook. Especially seeing as your videos usually are very great and your previous one on 'Legion in 2024' got such a surge viewing! I'm also glad that you took the comment so well. Now that I'm reading it again I do understand that I did not state my intentions clearly. I do think that the update is well meaning and will bring good things - and I hope to see informed and openminded discussion about it! That said we both agree that the new art wasn't to our liking, and that it is a hassle to constantly update our cards... But that tradeoff will surely be worth it against a better game! Especially when you can design and print your own cards if need be! I will be sure to watch the full-take video later on when it's ready, until then: keep up the good work 👍
@@antona5923 Ahh that’s nice of you to say. Glad you enjoyed that video! And you’re right; this video was very different in overall vibe. I’m not one to go for a negative approach often, so this is the odd one out. I do really feel for the people who just got into this game. Uncertainties like this can be daunting, and I feel (for new players) it’s really hard to understand what exactly happened and where we stand, when they just unboxed their shiny new game. That’s the people I tend to reach here on RU-vid, so that’s who I’m speaking to. A little bit more about that target audience (which is a big part of my community): most of them JUST got a core box, played a few games and are now told their objective deck is out of the game, they need a ruler that didn’t come in the box they just bought, and they need to get a conversion card pack, which won’t be available for another year. It’s just really hard to explain and 90% of the comments on this video is those people I just mentioned. Maybe not AMG’s problem, since the boxes have been out for years now, so outdated items were always in there, but I can imagine this comes as a surprise which can lead to frustration. Especially when those people stepped away from GW games to avoid these kind of practices. That said; for the established Legion Community these changes will probably feel like a step that needed to happen eventually. I feel the same. But the point about redesigning the cards and increasing upgrade card sizes is still beyond me. I’m very much looking forward to my OG Rebel sleeper cell unit card 😅 I haven’t had the chance to play the new version but heard some people talk about and loving it. So cannot wait! And will definitely share my thought in a new video after the dust has settled and I actually played the game. Thanks for your feedback and hope to see you back soon 🤘
I worry that so much of the community, especially on reddit and the discord, are just not willing to even consider the possible effects on the playerbase. Mainly that new players might feel scorned by stuff they bought recently being not usable at the drop of a hat.
I see a lot of ‘let’s stay positive’ attitude, which is a good thing. But like you said; there’s players who JUST got the game that are totally overwhelmed and don’t know what to do now. I get the frustration.
I just get into legion a few weeks ago and yes you are right I am already confused haha Also about the branding, absolutely agreed, the old design looks so much better, very classy indeed Now I have to get all the stuff I want before its replaced with the new branding hahah
Dammit, this was my problem when I got first introduced the game, that cards could become obsolete or new changes come and you wont habe all the information on hand with your stuff. Its gonna suck if the game start dying before I had real chance to get into it
Some of the cards were already obsolete, it has always been a part of the game unfortunately.. I guess printing everything is the best option right now.
Do not fear. The new cover rules look good for rebels. Our flimsy infantry units degrade quickly and the new rules level the playing field between small and large dice pools. Ion weapons lost their exhaust so Bistan and the trooper ion weapon become more efficient (sorry for your Chewie AT-ST tho) Agile 1 on troopers is huge. 1000 points cap will probably make 10 activations standard, very workable and not like 40k level bloat, especially with 5 turns. I'm with you on the design and cards issue, but I got a feeling it's work in progress. I'm giving AMG the benefit of the doubt on that for now.
Its classic IP restriction, the developers can't expand much outside of the IP to keep the sales of the game up, so all they can do is re-brand, tweak mechanics to basically re-sell the base game again. Obsoleting old rule sets enough so not backwards capable easily. They want you to spend spend spend of course.
This is why I stopped buying games made from IPs such as Star Wars. Eventually they run out of stuff they can make and you end up with a dead game or rebranded for the 10th time.
