some people don't seem to understand what he's talking about, so just to explain: he isn't talking about actual borders, he's talking about xenophobia/racism
Un témoignage, un documentaire sur un temps d'enthousiasme, de renouveau a Bayreuth. Patrice Chéreau et Pierre Boulez ont bouleversé pour la troisième fois depuis l'existence de ce festival, les représentations de l'œuvre de Wagner.
😂 Vi ste Balkan uvijek bili i ostali. Hrvatska vojna granica ?😂 Austrijska vojna granica , a ne hrvatska... 200 godina je 2/3 Hrvatske bilo pod turskom vlašću. Skoro 1000 godina Hrvatska je bila pod mađarskom vlašću, a Mađari su iz Azije( porijeklom Turci)
Boulez was a horrible conductor. If you want to change the music of the composer, you are overstepping your job as someone who has the one and only task to lead the orchestra playing as exactly as possible what the composer wrote. His Wagner cycle was an affront to Wagner!
That’s utterly incorrect. Playing along the notes of Wagner and taking away the „effects“ that typical conductors add to get bravos from the audience was exactly what Boulez did. And suddenly you hear a rhythm, you hear the leitmotifs play and everything becomes „lighter“.
The task a composer has is neither set by the composer, nor the audience, it is simply what he himself intends to do. You as listener have to decide if you want to listen to him. I wouldnt call Stokowski a bad conductor! Without changes and contrast things would become dull too quickly.
What is Eastern Europe? - German will say that their country is West Europe and to the east is Eastern Europe. - But Poland would say they are not Eastern Europe, but they are Central Europe, and east of them is Eastern Europe. - According to Belarus, there are no Central Europe and say that they are the border between East and Western Europe. - But in the when you go far enough to Russia, they will say that all of the country in the east of Germany is Eastern Europe. They will even claim that former East Germany is actually a buffer zone between East and West Europe.
send this to him if you are intellgent: @szizekian come to china meet me face to face , begging me i to teach you, I'm a succed Nietzsche I can play philosophy in any way i want. You have to begging me suppose you are saveable
Saw the Chereau Ring live at Bayreuth 1978-1980 and remains the greatest production of the Ring I I have ever seen and that takes in many Rings. Now on a beautiful Blu-Ray
You are really lucky!! My parents also saw it. My dad collected clippings from the newspapers, and the whole story about the Chéreau production is so crazy. In 1976, people were shocked about the production and it caused a huge riot because it was so different. People actually collected money to cancel the production and pay off Chéreau to leave Bayreuth. And four years later, people loved this production and celebrated it. Curtain call and standing ovation of the last nights of the „Ring“ went on for more than an hour. What was your impression when you first saw it?
Slavoj’s intellectual discussions are second to none, especially geopolitical. What he says in the video, the way he says it, might seem superficial at first, but there is a deeply rooted human psychology message that he is trying to convey. Brilliant
@@erwin.schulhoff Reminds me of the same thing in the "Golden Ring" documentary about the Solti Decca recording. The sound engineers are all chain smoking an in a studio with a Rauchen Verboten sign, and even the tv interviewer has a cigarette in his mouth
Greeks are Balkans as much as British are European. For geographic reasons mainly. And MAYBE for historical/cultural reasons a little bit. Mostly for geographic reasons
Actually the main determinants for Balkan in culture wise is the influence of the Ottoman Empire and having historical grievances with your neighbours (Balkan chaos). Greece has all of the cultural Balkan elements: The old chaos namely the grievances towards Turkey, the name wars with Macedonia, territorial disputes, plus the total Ottoman heritage on its food, music and culture. Greece is not just geographically Balkan, but also culturally.
@@pistolpetetc No ! Balkan-geographical term. Balkan-orthodox christans mostly, but there is muslims and catolics too. Balkan- birthplace of Europe(Lepenski Vir,Vinča, Starčevo, Old Greece, Constantinopol...)
Sorry for being witty, but as a Greek I TRULY believe that the Greeks are not Balkan. At least, lets say we are the best of the Balkans or an extra-ordinary category of Balkan. And that's due to the fact that the Greeks undeniebly contributed by far the most in the formation of the European and the Western civilization (Europe and America and Australia etc). We had a great civilization. Everhbody has its own vreat civilization. But, lest face is: somw civilizations are STARS. Like Chinese, ancient Egyptians, Romans and a few more... The Greeks were AWESOME and the proof for that is that still today so many countries copy the ancient Greek civilization modus vivendi: eg science, philosophy etc Its not that we Greeks are better than Slavs...nowadays...Nope. Thats not the case. Its just... Our ancestors did a GREAT JOB. FREAKING AWESOME JOB! Maybe in 2250 Slavs will have their own chance in History. Maybe the historians of 3.400 AD will talk about the Great Slavic Civilization that overshadowed everybody ever since. I am sorry to tell you this... But I truly believe that the only one who can compare to the Greeks are the Anglosaxons. The did great. They outsmart us. They are no. 1 in the whole History of Humanity. Not Greeks. Not Chinese. Not Indians. Not Persians. The Anglosaxons! After 5.000 years people are still gonna talk about them. Modern Greece is a piece of sh@t ofcourse. We feel ashamed in comparison to ancient Greeks Thats the hard reality.
Slavs had a great culture and had great Empires in the past. The fact that western powers don't care or apprieciate them does not mean you Greeks have to do the same. Greece is def Balkan, because Balkan civilizations were never less or inferior, that is a western racist trope and I am saddened by a Greek participating in it.
How does anyone believe all this crap? This Ring is set during the industrial revolution, with steam driven machines and other nineteenth century technology all over the place, and yet battles take place with swords and spears!! Maybe the most ridiculous of all: Hagen wearing a necktie and killing Siegfried with a spear...And you want us to find this perfectly normal?
Thank you for the upload! My grandparents were able to see this is Bayreuth back in the day, and they actually really liked the staging. It makes me wonder what all these critics would have thought about the "flying harmonica" staging of the MET's Walkurie from a few years ago. Remember that one? Ultra-minimalist. Also, Chereau's vision of the Ring Cycle meets Industrial Age corruption reminds me a LOT of similar themes in another Ring story: Tolkien of course had parallels of modern (over?)industrialization with the corruption of Isengard. So staging the Cycle in this way is not completely out of the realm of possibility. It seems rather like the best kind of art: uniquely creative but still rationally tied to the original material.
In sweden the version of this is the southernmost part and west coast are somewhat social and amicable places whereas everything else is stone cold quiet robot land.
Actually Zizek said some true BULLSHIT - namely that Serbs claim not to be Balkan. Serbs actually fully embrace being Balkan because they are secure in what and who they are and are proud of it. They do not see Balkan as a negative at all, and in no way feel themselves inferior (ethnically, culturally or historically) to western europe. This same attitude also goes for the Greeks to some extend: being proud of either being South-East or Balkan and feeling zero inferiority to the west. The rest of the Balkans however, have inferiority complexes towards the west and have actually internalized western racist stereotypes towards them and eastern europe. They now pretend to be something they are not nor will they ever be.😂 You see the same phenomenon with Czechs, Slovaks, Poles and Hungarians pretending to be "central europe" and "half german." They will never be that.
Zanmljiva mi je karta Jugovine od Žižeka, nema autoceste, nema granica republika, Bjelovar je neka selendra kojom se dolazi samo iz Križevaca i nema dalje. Tema Balkan je već stara otrcana, Žižek ju samo obradio. Cijeli svijet je Balkan-balkon.
Even inside Germany itself there's this division. We "Prussians" in the North don't really consider Bavaria part of the civilized world. They're too religious and in some ways backwards, they are part of the "weird mountain guys", together with Austria. Bismarck once said "The Bavarian is the missing link between human and Austrian". In Bavaria itself, the northern part of the state, there's a region called Franken/Franconia, around Nuremberg, the people there get very angry when you call them Bavarian, because they really are closer to the neighboring states Hesse and Thuringia in terms of culture and dialect and just happen to not get their own federal state after WW2 and have to stick with Bavaria now. Even inside Cologne, there are jokes between people who live on the left and right bank of the Rhine river. The Romans founded Cologne (as a colony, hence the name Colonia -> Cologne), but the Empire's border went precisely along the Rhine, so that left-Rhinish Cologners are either civilized or weak, and right-Rhinish Cologners barbarians or part of the strong resistance, depending on who you ask of course. I also know that there's a division between northern and southern France too, but I'm not French. All I know is the North prefers butter and the South olive oil.
I saw this video about a year ago and I didnt comment. The term "Balkans" *did not existed* in the area prior the Ottomans and when we speak about the "Balkan Peninsula" this was named by *a mistake* made by an early 18th German geographer, who confused the span of the Balkan mountains considering them dominant in the wider area. "Balkans" is an Ottoman term which is not being accepted by all. The reasons why this ~500yo term is not being accepted by for example the Greeks (and as a Greek myself I can argue on this) is because *on one hand* the Greeks have their own name for this area which *predates* the term "Balkans" by *3-4,000yo (if not more),* and on the *other hand* this term "Balkans" is being used for vastly political and cultural reasons which does not apply to Greece; *while there's also one more* reason, a more devious one *for all peoples of this area that includes the Greeks:* it is being used by foreign politics, politicians and diplomats as a slang word, in order to describe some uncivilized and primitive kinds of people which stand as an example to avoid. These the latters should be reminded that each and everyone of them played a small or bigger part into actually making a mess of this area for close to a century and even as we speak, and all this time *they stand aside laughing.* Anyways, the term Balkans is not just a toponym and it may refer to one's history or not. As a Greek it does not refer to my history, culture and historical toponyms all of which *predate* any Ottoman term by many millennials. Im sorry Slavoj, you know you cant be 100% right in everything you suggest.
@@me213516 Yeah, I know... I had *the exact same reaction* with the bs Slavoj said on this video. He's no God you know. In the beggining of the 1821 Greek War for Independence, a great movement of Philhellenes emerged in Europe and the US. For example, the German Legion was a military body, consisting of German and Swiss Philhellenes and its purpose was the military reinforcement of the rebel Greeks. *All these* Philhellenes were motivated by the Greek History and by hundreds of some of the most significant scholars their time (eg Lord Byron) who were calling them to aid the Greeks in their struggle for freedom and into reclaiming the _Greek Peninsula,_ *not* the south Balkans.
I just realized that todax it's 10 years ago that Chereau died. He was so young and brave when he staged the so-called "Jahrhundert-Ring". It wasn't a traditional production, but he managed to tell Wagner's stories in a very moving and human way! I wonder if back then many people understood his little joke concerning Loge: the brilliant Heinz Zednik looked and moved like Riff Raff from the Rocky Horror Picture Show 😉 That was quite deliberate, but back then most Wagner fans hadn't seen the movie. It's wonderful that this wonderful Ring is available today for everybody - especially since there weren't many great Ring productions afterwards.
Thanks for the documentary ! I love the Centennial Ring more than most other productions. Today it's hard to believe that this Ring stirred a storm of negative reactions 😊
