My last comment after watching this again. So many many people I hear on RU-vid are like myself- alone- no aspirations, no collaborators really: I am so very envious and impressed with the creativity in the musical and visual arts - yet- it does shake my self awareness and I wonder if I am just a crazy hermit and I hope all the others don't feel lonely or discouraged because they don't have millions subscribers (that is a false,counter productive motivation of course)! I learned here that I must continue to expand my empathy and love for the thing that got me started, and maybe therefore myself..each separate track and video feature may not be great comparatively,but, the love and empathy must show through, even if only confirmed by the incorruptible truth that lies within me-I must already recognize this or I would have quit already I suppose. I am still in an exciting and challenging training, that's a nice place to be....
Sorry for the super late reply (was super busy lately). I think everyone have their own creative process, which is in general not linear: it has up and downs, it bends in a certain direction or in another. Sometimes we need a more lonely environment to create, sometimes we can find motivation in a collaboration or in a creative dialogue with someone else. Creativity is such an inherent part of the human nature that it is rather difficult to categorize it. It can change in own person life depeding on the moment he or she are in. It is something that we can train and we can develop strategies to expand or motivate, but in the end it just as to be something that sparks from the inside to create a connection with the outside: making a sound that someone can listen to. Take care of your creative nature, since it is one of the best way to connect what you have inside with the outside world and change both of them in an active way!
I love your views! As a sound (or music) hobbiest I always try and find something unique that I can be at least a little delighted with; it's not the same as doing improvisation,but, I have become annoyed with myself when I use the same sounds, tones, or patterns repeatedly. I guess for me, since I am alone, I am searching for stimulation and results via exploration. Personally, being strong enough to throw repetitive/non unique tracks away is important.....thank you for the gifts you share!!
@@AndreijRublev You are welcome- your video came at the right time. Innovation and improvisation are keystones of my life- it's all one huge experiment and I sometimes feel lost when the ground I'm covering seems too familiar. You gave me confidence to get back in there and try some new stuff after trashing about 12 tracks that took a while to make- they simply were not enough of a departure from what I have done before: that is no longer acceptable; I must be inspired and motivated even if nobody ever hears any of it I'm going to watch you again later after I mess with the two tracks I just did! 🤠 Again, I'm grateful
If you accept and embrace the inehernt limitations of no input techniques (unpredictability, instability, etc) you can definetely do a lot of stuff with them 😊
@@AndreijRublev Vedo che nel video parli italiano. Allora mi "sfogo" nella mia lingua!😄 Da tenere in considerazione anche la ricerca fatta non rammento se da Farfisa o da General Music sul chip proprietario o sistema DRAKE. Poi sarebbe interessante ripercorrere il lavoro fatto dalla sezione di ricerca sonora della facoltà universitaria di Pisa, il C.N.U.C.E. , che collaborava con il centro di musica fiorentino Tempo Reale. Conosco uno degli ultimi ingegneri che entrò giovane a fine anni '60 al C.N.U.C.E. ed abita poco fuori Pisa. Non troppo vicino a casa mia ma mi piacerebbe intervistarlo....
@@littlebritain64 sarebbe bellissimo riuscissi a raccogliere quell'intervista (nei limiti del possibile, ovviamente)! Preservare la memoria di quel mondo, del tempo e delle persone che ne hanno fatto parte è una cosa molto importante secondo me e molto poco praticata purtroppo. È soprattutto uno spaccato interessantissimo sull'industria, sulla ricerca e di storia del lavoro e sociale dell'italia del dopoguerra. Sicuramente una situazione che meriterebbe più attenzione, un bel lavoro di conservazione e di divulgazione.
I think you could pull a tractor with those cables...wait...traktor? I almost pulled the rip cord on this one until I heard the host give a semi evil genius chuckle around 7:08. Now, I'm hooked.
Thanks! In this case you have two indipendent channels, so you need at least one mono splitter to duplicate an output and patch it back into its own input. Then you send the other splitted signal to the second channel input and from the second channel output to the audio interface/mixer/whatever. You can add more complexity with another splitter, but it is not necessary. One is required anyway.
It's rather difficult. In general these audio circuits are designed to handle a hot/saturated signal. Unless the unit is old and with some issues it shouldn't be a problem.
@@AntonyNorthcutt First of all I'm glad you like it! Thanks! My suggestion is to check for second hand or partially broken mixers (of any kind, any model, size, etc) so you can start experimenting with routing and feedback, you can play with the unusual interface and explore how it reacts. No real rule, just have fun. Just be careful with the volume. As I say in the video I reccomend using something to control the volume between your no input setup and your speakers or earphones/headphones (an audio interface, another mixer, or whatever device allows you to control the output volume of your setup). If you have any specific question feel free to write me here, more than happy to help you!
@@AntonyNorthcutt Great choice! Filters are one of my favourite effects to combine with no input mixers, especially if they have some sort of envelope follower, so they can interact actively with the feedback.
I'm not much into modular synths but have some CV sources, and I'm wondering how much electricity (voltage, current and whatnot) is CV compared to the audio signal that is going through mixer? Very inspirational stuff!
From what I understood about this topic in the previous months (speaking with people with more knowledge than me and reading comments around the internet): it is a difference between AC current and DC current. Audio signal is AC and CV is DC. Mixers are of course built to handle audio signals, so when you put a CV signal into a mixer circuit it just interfere with the audio feedback, (if the CV signal is strong it cuts out the audio one, if it is weak it just change it a little bit) then the circuit goes back to its normal state and goes back to the audio feedback.
Just seen this, looks like someone's figured out using CV for rhythm control at least - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SbPS8vayXfo.htmlsi=MkKtxZeBdCjjarSh
Thank you for these great tutorials, your videos are very informative and surprising. A quick question: I understand that you plug your drumbrute into the loop of your no input mixer and that you use the pedals to modulate all that. However I was wondering how you connect your pedals. Using the effect send -> pedal chain -> input channel? Directly on the output channel of the microphone or the drummachine? And what do you think about using another effect send to use these (and therefore return send) to measure the impact of the effects pedal chain?
Thanks for your kind words! In this video I used the effects pedal between the no input setup and the audio interface (the path is roughly: main out of the mixer > effect pedals > audio interface), so they don't interact with the feedback' signal chain. However you can totally put them in the signal chain of the feedback, as you wrote in your example (whatever mixer output > effects > channel input) or even between your instrument and the mixer (drumbrute > effects > channel input). The possibilities are a lot in terms of patching. Experimenting with different type of routing is always fun and can lead to unexpected and interesting results!
You can also consider that in a mixer there are a lot of inputs that you can use both to make external sound sources interact with the feedback chain or to patch the mixer signal back into itself, and outputs (in many units they are even more than the inputs) and every output can be used to send the signal back into the mixer to create more complex interactions. That's basically and endless playground and for me it is always a lot of fun exploring it.
@@AndreijRublev Thank you for your explanations, it’s perfectly clear! Indeed, there is a lot to experiment with, I already know that I will spend hours and hours there... Thanks to you ;)
@@AndreijRublevIt's Yamaha's way of branding... I don't know either, but it does have other names: "Virtual Acoustic synthesis" and "digital waveguide synthesis". And holy 13:42 that one sounds almost the same as DinoPerc!
In this video I used two pedals in the feedback chain (the routing is: mixer > phaser > delay > back into the mixer) and two pedals after the feedback chain (mixer > filter > reverb > audio interface).
I don't exactly remember the signal flow in the example with pedals only, but I assume it was something like: reverb > distortion > phaser > delay > distortion > filter > audio interface. Not completely sure anyway.
who are the mixer modules made by? im trying it using the default VCV mixers but after emulating your wiring im only getting coloured / filtered noise and the occasional pop or crackle.
The mixer modules are the default ones that come with vcv rack. I used the 2.0 version. Don't know if with later versions they replaced them. Anyway you can find a ton of mixer modules on vcv rack website and download them for free, if you can't find the one that I used in the video.
Really enjoying your channel. I recently sold a no brand 8 ch mixer that I paid to much money for and was sour on, and because I didn't know what to do with it.I thought it was just taking up space. But after watching StMag and youI bought another, bigger, and heavier 16 ch mixer for the same price that I sold the other (apparently two channels are a bit "noisy.") 🙄 It has main stereo out, 3x AUX 1pre, 2 post fader), headphone out, monitor out, AND a TRS "Insert" jack for each channel. These send, and receive... Have you ever fooled around with the Insert jacks? If so how do you use them for No Input mixing?
@@AndreijRublev Interesting. Thanks for the "feedback" 🤣 Anyway, Insert cables are split right? Tip-send, Sleeve-receive... so are Insert cables different to stereo-twin mono cables? If so, how would you use the cables in cross-channel patches? Do you have a video on any of this?
This is awesome! That is some amazing synth tones you're getting out of that thing plus the versatility is pretty impressive. Totally usable in all sorts of ways. Im In the brainstorming stage of building a set of stand alone bass pedals like the moog Taurus. If I could use something like this for the core oscillator then run it thru some dividers to produce the 12 different pitches it might just be crazy enough to work 😜
Another great instalment Andreij, John Zorn always fascinated me how he used to conduct his ensembles to create different moods during a piece. Looking forward to the next one ✌️
Aaaaaand... you can apply the same concept on your hardware modular synth (for instance I have 3 Doepfer A-138n 4HP 4 channel mixers - which can also be used to make a matrix mixer, at the occurrence!). And a regular A-138b audio mixer before the output module.
yep, absolutely. Feedback based sound generation is such a basic principle that you can apply it in many different fields and ways. Such a fascinating and creative thing!
Now imagine having a mixer which also features effects... Say a delay (and/or a reverb). Nowadays you can get this kind of mixers for cheap (even a 12 mono / 6 stereo channels one). Imagine if you buy a used one. A world of fun for nearly no cost...
No question is dumb! The answer is yes, totally. That's the reason why I suggest to use something (an audio interface, another mixer or even a guitar pedal with a volume control) in between the no input mixer and your speakers (or headphones) so you can set the max volume with that added level of gain staging. In this way you can avoid any damage to your speakers, hearphones and ears.
Can this damage the mixer? It seems some of my channels are not working anymore. I have a Mackie Pro FX.*UPDATE: I suspect the connection port is damaged somehow. The contact points are not all touching the 1/4 jack poles. When I insert the jack fully, there is not sound. It only works if I pull it out slightly but sounds low.
If you work with line level signal is nearly impossible to damage the mixer. Are you using xlr or jacks? Be sure to turn the phantom off if you use xlr cables.
Wonderful video. I've been into free improvisation for a long time (even performing a bit myself in the past) but I still learned some new things from this. And I loved all the performance excerpts. Free improv can absolutely be magic. This deserves many more views. I've experienced playing both sides of free improv performance: I've had absolutely amazing experiences that I was really proud of, and some that I felt a bit disappointed by my performance in. But either way, it definitely felt very alive, like it was its own beast.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you took the time to watch it and happy that your discovered something new! Yes, free impro sometime is real something magic, that's why we love it ;)
Dear Andreij, very thanks! And what about digital mixers? How would it works? Could we repeat the same procedures? Is there any risk to equipments? I´m loving all here...
Happy you like it here! In general it should work also on a digital mixer, but since I've never tried with one of those I cannot say if they have some sort of feedback protection in the DAC section. Probably it depends on the specific mixer features. Also I don't know how the Digital to Analog converters will react, they are probably built to manage clipping and saturated signals, but I don't know if they can be damaged on the long run, since I've never tested it. The analog part of the circuit is totally safe if you use only line level signals, but not sure about the converters.
Yes you can. Usually DAWs try to avoid that but there are some workarounds, depending on the DAW you use. Otherwise you can try to do it with another software like VCV rack. If you are curious I have a tutorial on how to emulate the behaviour of an hardware mixer in a digital environment. You can find it here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gCTCeowpgLw.htmlsi=JPTY5FSywpVtYbR-
