So i just finally scored over 88pts, winning at 121 at tonight's game night. I just happened to have the house finch,too! Thanks to your comments, i decided to go for a forest engine on oceania board with asia birds included. I managed to get 2 teal draw 2 tuck 2 down in round 1! 16 guaranteed tucks for the game haha! Only 6 tucks in my house finch tho, i was holdin onto dear life with those teals in my hand Thx for all your commentary!
6 tucks on house Finch is perfectly fine in the forest! I'm glad you're figuring it out :) The real benefit of tuck/draw in the forest is the ability to take good and cycle cards in the same action. It means you don't have to choose between feeder or the bird tray :)
Hmm, is that an official ruling posted somewhere re: 25:00? EDIT: Nevermind, i found the explicitly written rule, pg2 in EE. Ignore all the rest i wrote Because "for any reason" seems pretty crystal clear to me! I swear, i find trying to follow stonemaier's thot processes to be convoluted about half the time for edge cases.... But this isnt even an edge case
I think the justification is that teal powers don't activate "between turns" which is a very specific time to activate. For all practical definitions end-of-round technically is between turns, however I think they have defined pink powers to have their own "phase" which is separate from teal powers
yeah rewatching the recording, I remember considering it in the moment but I really should've done that. My oceania instincts of "don't play low point birds that late in the game" betrayed me
Its a good thing the wood duck didn't appear until rd3, or it may've had different results vs a rd1 duck, even peleated was a little later when you could offset with enclosure nest too
Ok! Best of 7 then 😊 I just noticed Eurasian dove didnt tally your discarded nectar; shulda been +4, as the official ruling is "discarding = spending". iirc, Tuck n Cache has an interview with Hargrave and the game was much simpler. Testers and Jaime suggested stuff like bird powers and the action cube walking back, i think.
Ive been watchin quite a few games now but still get confused sometimes who's board is being shown. I think i figured out the upper left name is who's turn it currently is. Is the board something i just have to remember? Likewise with the player icons, i just keep forgetting who's who, lol. The most frustrating to see is when oppos finish the round, there is no notification to what they played till the next turn starts, so round end bonus scoring is sometimes a big, 'wtf?' like this game's R2. Awesomely played tho! I have yet to break into the 90 pt range. A big part of me really wanted to see hooded merganser's repeat power after the penguin. I shouted at the screen when it got tucked😢 But i understand. I had a game with a 7x activated penguin... Total 0 cached food, rip
I hear you! I can try to do a better job editing so its clear whos turn it is. I tend to always play as the red kakapo symbol at the top so if thats highlighted, its my board. It'd be cool if monster couch let us make customized icons or let us use our steam icons, because then my condor could be my icon, but for now its the silly little kakapo. I also really wanted to use the merganser, but it would've taken too long with the way I was setup. I could have forced a more aggressive wetlands engine earlier but I think I would've gotten less value out of lesser whitethroat which was more important to me.
Sure you may have gotten extra bonus card with Plains Wanderer if you played it with Manakin, but you would have tied rather than won 4th EoR. That means you would have needed a 9 point bonus card from the last pull to make it worth it.
Gulls and killdeer just don't quite hit like they used to. Ravens are better, but all of them need other grasslands pieces to really take off. Just my thoughts
@@KnackNester I'm definitely waiting to get that perfect Oceania full-tuck. Now what that'd be -who knows...though you made a compelling argument that the Greater Flamingo alone is the most powerful single card in wingspan lol
"This is MasterWing and ME" People like to watch MasterWing and ME MasterWing and I lay eggs A player invited MasterWing and ME to another fabulous game MasterWing and I set their nests on fire
yeah yeah, I heard them in editing too. Unfortunately, I can't go re-record it. It can sound like nails on a chalkboard to some, and others won't notice. Took me A LONG time to start using "good" and "well" correctly too haha
Be that guy all day my friend! I had a moment in an earlier video where I did a bit on how to pronounce Audouin's Gull. It's super French and hard to say with my super American accent.
Oh good point I didn't catch that! I certainly could've laid eggs with one of my nectar instead of a card and tucked it with imperial eagle. I was really struggling to keep count of my resources at the end!
Wow, I had no idea! It does say that adjacent could mean “above” but I never noticed that. It’s strange that it also says “below.” I don’t see how a bird could ever be below it.
Well played! Behaviorist can be good but makes the game more complicated. It’s usually a bad bonus card to draw near the end of the game. I thought when you played a bird on top of another bird, you kept all the tucks!
With buzzard/red kite which are predators you place it on top of the bird, keeping the tucks. Cassowary specifies that you discard the bird. Lore-wise, it makes sense cause Cassowaries are basically small dinosaurs in real life and they would totally take out an entire flock 🤣
Really enjoyed the video! As someone who has spent hours watching other people play videogames, I don't mind waiting for your next turn. It would be awesome to see another format where you're describing your thought process during a live game too.
I'll probably snag a game from my stream for that. When I've tried to do live commentary during a game on my own, I get distracted and hard focus on the game, forgetting to explain my thoughts 🤣
First of all, love the channel and its great to see these competitive analysis of games. I do think denying the goldcrest wasnt as bad a play as you think. Your opponents board was not very full and they had plenty of cands in the hand; if i were them id like the goldcrest to accelerate their forest and start winning more nectar battles
Really nice video! I'd recommend increasing the volume of your voice audio. I had to crank thinks all the way up with headphones, which is always risky business! Really enjoyed the content though!
Totally! I was using my headset mic which is ass... Hahaha. I've also learned how to suppress background white noise. This next video I release I'm excited about, cause it sounds so much better 😁 cheers!
Off the top of my head it seems like a misplay by your opponent to play the kingfisher. They didn’t know you had a cavity nest at the time so they should have just played PW, activated for a single egg, play WD, and then only activate PW at need. At least until your engine is up and running and the eggs are just points. All that said, Abiath is a higher ranked player than I am so maybe that analysis is worthless. I think the nice thing about starting hand Pileated is you can try to cheese your opponent right out the gate for a free egg if they don’t have a cavity nest. Or pressure them to take an action they might not have been planning to take in order to get one down. Enjoyed the video! Watching it i got the sense that you and I think along quite similar lines in this game.
I actually think the sacred kingfisher is a fairly safe play as a first turn. There are a lot of people that ditch a card to grab two nectar off the start nowadays and he may have wanted to deter me from that.
Good point, i didn’t consider that. Maybe i overrate PW + WD combo then because in my mind if you have that combo then you should not be afraid of anything except not getting them out in time. I would be curious to get into their head this match because obviously watching from your perspective i could immediately tell it was a wasted turn. They must have thought differently since they took that action, it’s just taking some mental gymnastics on my part to make (possibly) gaining a fish/mouse/worm seem like a good play compared to getting the wood duck out a turn faster.
Yeah, I'm still learning how to edit. I made a mistake separating the audio from the video and I ended up getting it way out of sync. This was my best attempt at bringing them back in sync but its still not perfect. Going forward, the videos should be a lot cleaner.
You say wood duck is top 3, what other birds do you think are in there. Maned duck nr 1? Even going with lorikeet, yellowthroat and moltoni’s in starting hand would have been very strong Also I don’t think it’s a mistake to keep yellowthroat, if you find a chiffchaff/mute swan/tuck&lay bird the extra cards will be more points And yeah that northern flicker wasn’t a mistake, you were just unlucky. If you’ve gotten some worms I think it would have increased your tempo very well. Maybe you would have been able to play the ash-throated flycatcher if you didn’t play the flicker though or if you did get some worms, maxing out that bonus card.
I never responded to this so apologies. I believe Maned Duck has the highest ceiling right now so that's my #1. The scary part is, even if you house-rule it, you can still play maned duck after other tucking birds, and it can be just as strong. Wood Duck is my #2 because forest engines are so potent with the OE board and card access is still really important. Wood Duck does need other birds to pair with, like pileated woodpecker, or California quail, but it really does what no other bird can do right now. 3rd I think is Galah. No other bird generates 2 points in the forest for free. Giving your opponent a grain and a reset feeder isn't really that scary considering you get 2 tucks for it. Honorable mentions: Ravens are still insane if you play them first round, Gulls aren't what they used to be but are still strong, Mute Swan is also crazy, but doesn't quite do what Maned Duck does. The Play-a-bird teal powers are sleeper strong right now, but they kinda need other powerful birds to work with so they don't quite make the top 3.
Nobody picks up the Crane first turn unless they have Maned Duck/Raven or see opp having one of them. I think a mistake was to keep the Flicker instead of the Lorikeet. Yellowthroat is atleast a point with maned duck for a few turns.
@@etzete7455 lorikeet runs into the same problem the flicker has. It could definitely have helped me get all the food I needed quickly, but it could miss just as well and it costs 2 of my precious food off the start. In full tuck with maned duck, using as little food as possible in other rows is generally what I try to do
Crazy pair of engines, that wood duck is a monster now, with eggs coming in that is the new killdeer-raven IMO. One question is why not grab the 9-point night heron just before you played the nightingale (and play heron instead)? You had free eggs coming in from his woodpecker and the heron wouldn't share food. I think with Oceania I've started to question putting low-point birds in the wetlands in general because there are so many bombs available.
hmmm I think that you are correct that would've been a good idea. Not quite as reliable as nightingale though, and if he stops laying eggs, its useless. Also, Night Heron would've costed 3 food, but the nightingale was able to play immediately
@@KnackNester if he stops running that forest engine, mission accomplished 🤣 Well, he had the quail, but then he can probably only get enough eggs to convert to played birds as opposed to gaining two points per turn. Hard to be sure - brutal engine to oppose.
Very well played! I love watching Wingspan with commentary. I know some people consider the Wood Duck the strongest card in the game now. It’s at least top 8 or so.
Just for fun I tried little pinguïn and repeat it with merganser and mockingbird trying to get as many caches as possible, conclusion being: it’s not that good ( around 1 cache per activation) I don’t think you can use it as an engine like mute swan, chiffchaff or maned duck.
oh definitely! It's not near as potent as full tuck engines, but you can use it to extend your wetlands to generate some points while digging for better cards, however imagine if you had penguin + merganser alongside a maned duck/mute swan? It could certainly be a great addition to a full tuck engine. That's my feelings on penguin + merganser
@@KnackNester yeah sounds pretty strong, but would be slow to set up with the heavy food cost. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think the pinguïn isn’t a good bird but it might be less good than people initially think it is. I did have a game where i activated it just 3 times and it hit 4 fish, 3 fish and 1 fish. I like the extra luck factor with the new predator powers
