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Front on my supersonic xl is a poppy xl @ 60°, rear is a 35° 129 mm Randall on the far rear with pink speedvents. Gives great torquey S type pumps, pushes well and overall a real fun board. Just ordered another since I have extra trucks and wheels
I have a question about the resulting angle of the rear truck in the setups(either 17deg or -40deg positions) a 'positive' net rear angle is when the bolt of the kingpin is further rearward than the head of the kingpin, right? and this is much more desirable than having the bolt more forward(close to the middle of the board)?
It turns better than my street board. (We have those too, And they are an endless headache in certain situations). I'm a believer in using the right board for the job.
Higher angle is going to get you into your turn quicker (needs to be compensated with softer bushings to balance the leverage) so will result in a higher cadence. Lower angle will require more change of lean to get to that same depth of turn = lower cadence. I like to call this wavelength. Higher angle will likely result in a shorter wavelength. Or a pointier shape to your wave at least. And a lower angle will have a more round shaped wave.
Best board on the market for us big fellas. I got the XL and put some dad bods on some Bear 180mm TIs and this baby takes all 6'5" 325 lbs of me like a boss. Absolutely love this thing.
Thanks for the great Video. How many Boards were harmed during the production of the Intro? Hardest to understand for me is Truck Geometry. Let's see if I got that correctly: - for a "slow" pumper it's better to dewedge the front truck down from 65° to...where? - for a "pure" pushing board dewedge the Front even more? - for a fast "race" board use the flipped truck inner position - for a "turnier" board use the longer wheelbase and play with angles there, dewedge for more stability.
Thank you for asking for clarification. Points 2 to 4 are correct. For the first point, We want to wedge the truck more, up to 65° for a more casual pumper. (Paired with a 20-30° rear you'll be able to tackle some mild climbs). It wasn't clear but I typically use a 40° plate and would add 5° (+ 15° nose angle) to make it better suited for cruising around on the pathways. Now I have a 50 on the front and I've dewedged the 5° instead to get the 60° that I find ideal for my general use, while still being fairly quick for pumping. You can extract more speed from your effort when set around 55° but it requires more effort. I'll add this to the description. In a fast race I'd go around 55° in front, and chill rides being able to pump as much as possible 65° Sorry my editing brain didn't realize how confusing that was until I had posted.
Hello, I would like to ask, what is the height difference between the ember board and the pranayama board? I'm currently torn between these two boards. Do I want Ember's tail, or does Pranayama actually have a way of kicking his tail and getting up on the ground? Sorry, I'm using a translator. I hope you can understand. I look forward to your reply. Thanks.
Coming from the flexy-as-butter Icarus I found my new Supersonic waaaay to stiff for my riding style. Got some spare nipples I can toy with for the front truck. I wasn't sure about it before but this vid helped a lot. Thanks!
Thanks for the video Paul. I'm after a push mainly setup with Paris RKP 50s. I've just got them front and back. So that gives me 65 front and 33 back. Definitely having that wheel issue where the front is far off the ground before the back starts to lift. Recommendations?
I would consider dewedging the front. I'd start with a 10° wedge and see how it feels. It will make your bushings feel softer in the front due to improved leverage on the bushing. For a push specific set-up, I find when the front is over 55° the debris on the road has more leverage over your trucks than you do. 50 would be better. If you can find wedged risers I would give them a try. 10-15° I'd keep the rear where it is. If your front wheels still lift I would choose your front bushings by feel, and then increased hardness of the rear bushings to match the front so both front and back lift at the same time (or the rear can lift a few mm before the front) There is another comment where someone asks about a push specific set-up where I discuss this also. Take a look for it.
Great to have another Paul Video! Stuff is rare these days! I think there are a lot of great pointers in there but one thing i could't agree more is the affordability of the supersonic. It has so much integrated functionality and can workso many different setups, even weirder ones while still being a complete powerhouse. If anyone wants to get into LDP the Supersonic is most likely the best starting point and scales so well along the line! I can only recommend it and i love mine to death!
after a lot of research (also by watching your videos) I decided to get the SS bamboo as my first longboard. I finally ordered it at justpassinthrough using your discount code after I watched your interview with them. so I guess I have to thank you too. Sei gegrüßt!
Unofficially, as in just my opinion: I had set mine up for pushing across America when it was raining. When I began, I had a 30 degree baseplate in the rear (12°), and a 46 in front (61°) For pumping it, but I ended up swapping those baseplates because it was my wet weather board for much of the trip and riding a pumping setup on wet rough roads, with no road shoulder, next to big trucks and down hills started to feel unnecessarily sketchy for me. So it ended up being 45 in front and 31 in the rear and it would be similar to my push setup for rough roads. The board would track better on bad pavement as bumps wouldn't steer my truck as much. But, most people greatly prefer a 50° front. I'd say anything between 46-53° in front and between 20-38° in the rear is where I would go for push specific setups. 53° front is better with a 20°-25° rear. If you want to do lots of slides and lower speeds I'd add more rear Angle. But I think I prefer 35 for that.
Thanks so much for the video. I figured out some of it through trial and error, but this spelled it out. The Supersonic is one of the most unique boards I've ever ridden. I'm still struggling powering up hills, but I've been running a rear 3 degree with the 65 front. I'm definitely going to try a higher torque setting as I am generally not rolling very fast. I've currently got a Riptide 85a Magnum boardside with stock Paris cone bushing roadside in the back, and I've got an 80a APS canon boardside with a stock Paris cone bushing roadside in the front. I tried some canons roadside too, but the initial setup felt a little stiff, so I've got those sotck Paris cones in until I figure it all out. At 225 lbs. it is very easy to wiggle it, but I've taken it on some mild hills to around 15-18 mph with no wobble. This is on the wider 8ply deck. Best longboard experience I've had. It's the lowest resistance push I've ever felt with 85mm wheels on it. Love it.
The note at 7:02 was majorly helpful. My previous setup definitely had the front wheels lifting first. I just rebuilt the board based on some of the recommendations. I put the back truck in the rear -17 degree position with a 43 degree Paris baseplate. I still have the 80a Canon in the front with the stock Paris cone roadside (90a I think) as I don't have any more super soft barrel bushings right now. To get the rear wheels lifting first on the 8ply deck, I had to use two 97.5a APS Canons in the rear. I tried a 97.5/95 Canon in the rear, but the front lifted first. I'm going to order some more 75a and 80a Canons, and maybe a front roadside cone, to experiment with softening the front as I'd like the rear a little looser too. That tip made it super easy to find a starting point.
@@funkingitup1805oh good! I'm glad. I wasn't sure how best to present it. We want the rear to lift just a moment early because in a corner or hard drive more of your weight will be on the rear even when we try to keep it up front it often is rear heavy. But, again it's barely much of a difference. I think it really works well to get people choosing close to appropriate bushings. I tend to go soft up front 81a/77a and then I match the rear to that. I was thinking of turning that note into its own short video.
*Setup video* 🤩 🤙🏽⚡️🤟🏽⚡️👌🏽 Plus Paul Kent 🔥🔥🔥 Comedic gold 😂 That upside down one at the start 🤣😂 I hope no-one has ever done that but someone probably has 😭
Great, exactly what I needed (or was missing) as I got my Supersonic w/ Bears 50/40 and Karmas six weeks ago as my first ever Longboard at the young age of 44. But then it also made me try it out myself without knowing too much about it. When I switched from the 23 degree stock setup to the 0 degree option I was impressed by how much more efficient but less fun it was. I call this the wiggler setup where it seems I can’t really utilize the flex as much (got the bamboo heavy SS as I weigh around 90 kilograms) When going back to the stock 23 degree I got the flex and the fun back. But then the summer ended here in Austria and it started to rain. Still need to dive into the topic of bushings (also on my esk8’s) as the front wheels do lift off the ground when leaning in heavy. Long story short, thanks Paul and Jeff for the video and the great board.
I was so envious of him wiggling like a fish up a hill, then I have to remind myself that this dude has skated across countries, and I'm going down the street. I'll keep working on it. Lol.
@@PaulKentSkates Whole bit was pitched perfectly as is, Paul - but I can't deny that a few seconds of Flipper sfx would've been🤌 for those of us of a certain vintage. I do feel, however, that you could have taken a bit more time to ridicule & denounce the silly/dangerous "Cult of Thee Negativ Rear Truck" that looms so large just lately in otherwise sensible LDP discussion groups. Those misguided dupes have been tolerated for far too long, just because the community at large is too polite to point & laugh. (I did catch your slight allusion to the subject, but I feel it really needs to be hammered home hard by a respected voice, as the hints I've been dropping in said groups for the last 18mo or so have all been ignored).
Front truck DT Poppy with Riptide Aps 90bs/85rs barrel/cone. Rear truck is Bear Gen 6 40 degree zeroed with Aps 90bs/85rs double barrels and Karma wheels. No additional wedges. At my 190lbs I can push up to speed then pickup a little speed from there pumping. Sooo much fun!
Do you get wheelbite with 80mm wheels with this deck? Getting into downhill. Coming from eskate. Getting this deck and DH cybin precisions to put on her. Learning to slide on cheapos and then putting either 4prez or kegels on her until I can slide something grippier.
I wear a size 15 wide. Right now I ride a globe top mount 36inch kick tail cruiser and haven’t had any heel drag. In the future I would like to upgrade to a drop through style board with bigger wheels and better overall components. I never even considered heel drag as an issue, but I’m glad I’m aware of it, and also how to fix it.
