i think another interesting scenario would be that, for some reasons, the Ruhr Crisis escalates to another Franco-German War, which might seem heavily in favor for France, but that would ignore the fact that it Germany would surely be supported by Britain and the USA and that germany still had millions of people ready to fight while the french would still be exhausted from WW1 (Germany feeling attacked would be way more willing to fight)
I disagree with your assessments on the USSR and Israel. The Soviet annexation of the Balitics and Besserabia happened with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, I doubt the Soviets would invade without that. In real world the allies considered goining to war with the Soviets even while at war with Germany, Also Romania was part of the little Entente and supported by France. Also while Poland had a beef with Lithuania I doubt without any threat from Germany they wouldn't stand up against Soviets annexing all of the Baltics. As for Israel, even without the Nazis, antisemitism was on the rise in Europe. Also though there's less motivations to leave Europe on one hand, there are far more Jews, the Holocaust destroyed 2/3 of European Jews. Also with a slower migration of Jews, there would be less tension in the Mandate of Palestine, combined with a Britain not scared by WWII, they may keep the mandate longer. All these combined may mean Israel would have enough people to be established, either in borders similar to real world or smaller borders. There's also the fact that the Soviet Jews would be not have been killed in the Holocaust either, and unlike European Jews, they would defiantly leave. So Israel may ultimately end up with more Jews then our world.
5:07 One COULD make the argument that Germany COULD feasibly pay war reparations. That is a LONG shot from the claim that war reparations imposed by Britain anf France weren't too harsh and utterly vindictive. That is the weakest part of this alternate history, the rest is AMAZING.
Funny how you frame the SPD's betrayal of the German working class and the Communist movement as them "working with conservatives to determine the future, unfortunately some radical communists decided to rise up"
But there was in fact a German New deal. It was the Nazi movement and rearmament plan. Unemployment in Germany in 1935 was the lowest in the industrial world.
What an enjoyable video! Also, without a second European war in the 20th century, the British Empire would have survived, and America would have less political, economic and military power.
The KPD hated the Socialists because they supported and voted to brutally suppress the various communist uprisings, specifically/especially the Spartacist one. Which told the KPD that despite being supposedly radically left the SPD will at the end of the day when the chips are down support conservativism instead of their fellow revolutionaries.
The politics of the interwar and WW2 periods are fascinating to me. In Japan you’ve a civilian government that’s faced pushback from the military for decades, until it’s finally sidelined altogether. In Southern and Central Europe you’ve the rise of far-right governments. And in Germany you’ve a far-right movement so bizarre even by fascist standards that it borders on cult-like fanaticism. If anything, the period serves as a lesson for all of us. If you think that, for example, a political group whose members hold eclectic and genocidal spiritual beliefs couldn’t rise and supplant major secular and religious institutes in the US or Britain: Yes it could.
Papen: ‘We need allies to form a stable government, but we can’t risk giving the left more power. If we empower the unstable man with crazy occultist friends, we can easily control him. What’s the worst that could happen?’
Lets also mention, that the republic did not just have a lack of responce during the depression, but full on austarity. welfare cuts and the like during massive depression. These "reforms" were supported by the center right, but the SPD also lacked a proper responce, with many of them opposing much the stimulus or Keynesian style spending
Keynesianism wasn't a solid thing until well after the depression started and Hitler was in power. Japan was the only country in the world that I'm familiar with that did economic stimulus before 1932, but it's also understandable why other countries didn't at this point
Knew the Weimar Republic was far less of a inevitable failure than the broad internet opinion has it out to be but never knew it was THIS close to being a survivable, functional democracy. Your channel is one of the reasons why I still look forward to people speculating about possibe alternative histories. Have you ever tought about doing alternative histories of smaller countries like those of eastern europe or south east asia, despite the limited impact of their alternative histories it will still extremely informative and quite interesting as an insight into historical ongoings of these smaller countries and how these changes from their alternate histories might change the decisions of the larger powers that surround them
The Weimar Republic was doomed. The constitution was deeply flawed, and there were too many internal and external pressures. What it collapses into (a collapse in this scenario can be as simple as replacing the constitution with a new one) is the question
Why is Italy not highlighted as part of the European Union? Is it because them being fascist makes them a pariah in this timeline so they wouldn't be included?
I'd love to see more of this timeline. In particular I would like to see what you think would happen with colonial Africa & Asia as well as with the US. In particular the US would still be powerful but probably wouldn't reach its power it did in our timeline and maybe it might be more open to international cooperation at least with the West. Also a scary part is the fact that without the shock of how far the Nazi's went, could we see even worse discrimination in the US for some time?
It’s certainly possible ofc Matt didn’t touch upon what the US did in this ATL so maybe the New Deal puts a lid on racial discrimination for a few years but with Southern Democrats in power FDR would still be limited just like in our timeline. That being said with France and possibly Germany being more open to Black Americans (not sure if they would’ve been open to Blacks from their own colonies tbh) it does open another avenue for freedom of expression. But we’ll never know.
I believe 1930s is too late to truly save Germanys liberal democracy, it would give way to some kind of major change. I think if we wanted to keep Weimar Germanies Liberal Democracy, the presidential election of 1925 is the way to go. The SPD candidate Otto Braun IOTL did not run during the second round of the election, the SPD supporting the Zentrum candidate Marx, which ended with Hindenburg winning. I believe if Otto Braun rescinded the Leadership of Prussia to Zentrum in exchange for support during the election, he could have won. Otto Braun was a known supporter of democracy and someone with a very firm, almost authoritarian leadership. He is the most likely candidate to ensure Germanys liberal democracy survived, IMO.
For me, it could be saved in 1932 if Von Papen would be elected president...He was from the Zentrum Party and if you count the Weimar Coalition and his temporary alliance with Hitler, Von Papen would be elected president easily although Hitler would still be elected as cancellor in 1933. If Von Papen discover that the Nazis burned the Reichstag, he could depose Hitler and Hitler, enfuriated by the treason of Von Papen, would launched a putsch in 1934...Von Papen would defeat the putsch and Hitler and the Nazi leaders would be executed after a trial...then Von Papen would lead Weimar Republic at least 1940, after that Hans Vogel would be elected president until 1948 and after that in 1949 Weimar Republic would change to the actual Germany like OTL...
I think you kinda misunderstand the situation in China preventing a limited victory in the 2nd Sino-Japanese war, Japan would be very happy with the peace you proposed; China's nationalist government and the US absolutely wouldn't
Too bad. The Chinese couldn't push the Japanese back themselves. So it would be a stalemate for years until they both realized that and settled on accepting the new borders that way. The US wouldn't like it but they're not intervening this time so there's nothing they can do.
@@dimathegoose Dropping my snarky responses and leveling with you; you literally have your pronouns displayed on your account page. I’m not sure if you want them public or not? You can change that in your account settings if you don’t want it displayed.
