Even though Mario Party Superstars doesn't have a Story Mode, I like how it references the past stories of Mario Party games as canon to it. Through that book in the bonus section listing the past games. Although I wish it remembered the handheld games... if only so MP DS could get love.
Lotta the party games (mario party and the mario sports games) have bizarre stories. I mean mario super sluggers’ plot involves peach creating an island Specifically For Baseball and Bowser decides to take it over and thats. Ok. Tennis aces has Luigi get possessed by an evil demon tennis racket. Its like. Can yall not jus have fun? Mario kart doesnt need a story (kidding ofc i LOVE these weird lil stories. Mp8 has a soft spot in my heart bc the star rod comes from paper mario. Mpds is prolly my favorite tho) Also rlly funny theres an entire MP game thats only single player (advanced). Ik ppl r vv negative on that one but like it was on gba i kiiiiinda get why it was a solo campaign
I think it's like a soft reboot, like it'll be 90% on its own but with a tiny bit of call backs, I personally don't want it to be littered with call backs and returning characters, I think the game should be allowed to stand on its own so all these people talking about Fawful or Antasma coming back kinda bug me (I'm not referring to any specific people btw) Plus think about it, this will be a lot of peoples first Mario & Luigi game so it doesn't make sense to have a load of call backs and returning characters especially in the main story
I doubt it. You brought up SMB2 USA, which completely destroys your argument as that whole game was actually a dream, and thus, doesn’t actually count. How many times in the main series has she not been kidnapped? 2 times. 3D World and Wonder. That’s 2 games out of like, at least 15, not including Mario Land 1 and 2. She’s the reason Bowser works as an antagonist as well. Just look at 3D World and Wonder. As much as I love them, they have by far the worst plot in their respective sub-series. Bowser in those games makes zero sense. He kidnaps some fairies because he wants to build a theme park? What the hell kind of motive is that? An incredibly stupid one. What about Wonder? He just… actually, what the hell is his motive there? I genuinely can’t remember because it’s so bad. The point is, two spin-offs where she’s the main protagonist, a movie where she isn’t kidnapped and two playable appearances in games that actually happened aren’t enough to say she won’t ever be kidnapped again- she will. They aren’t going to shake up the “status quo” or whatever. That’s basically what Daisy, Rosalina and Pauline are. Each of them has been kidnapped in some way at least once. They don’t need every single female character to be all independent and a girl boss and able to defend themselves. There will definitely be games with her as the main character obviously, but the formula has worked well for almost 40 years, and I doubt they’re going to change it any time soon. And again, Bowser needs some good motives. Not any of this theme park nonsense.
I really wonder what Jamboree's story mode will be like, assuming it will even have one (which, considering it's been since Mario Party: Island Tour since we've had a story mode of any kind, may or may not be possible)
I think peach got kidnapped so much she had to teach herself to defend herself cause clearly the Toads are more than useless. Personally, i dont mind the damsel in distress. Especially the helpless ones. Men are meant to be there for the women they love especially since men are stronger and all. Peach in particular is a more feminine woman and less of a fighter. Seeing her fight is cool and all but also weird. Daisy seemed more like a fighter. But I do like playing as girls and having Peach as one of them is a good thing. If Nintendo kinda threw in a mix i think it would be fine. I think the main reason the trope died was because it was over done, and it isnt the only one. Zombies as a big thing, space was a big thing, Isekai in anime was a big thing and they all were over used and just died out and you see them spread out every now and then and are done more properly due to it. I think Peach got kidnapped so much because it was just a reusable situation. Now that Mario is moving to a online environment they need more Characters and Peach is just a very well loved woman as a princess should be. In a way, Mario can now move on after Peach was rescued by Mario into new stories. Now, its the flower kingdom but they could take this even further. Its nice helping Peach protect her neighbors. In a way, we are kinda keeping Peach from being kidnapped. We are better than Toads. Peach, get better Guards. They are useless.
Right now, I don't care how they put Peach (Kidnapped or Fighter) she's always my favorite Super Mario Bros character, but we have to admit that the "Damsel in distress" thing with her is getting old, and now it's better for her to do things, but still that doesn't mean Peach hates or doesn't need Mario even though she's getting stronger.
I really hope Hi-Fi Rush is given the same treatment in the far future (in-terms of the IP being passed on to a new studio that understands it, but considering that this is Microsoft where talking about here in this comment, it’s a bit of a fat chance).
This is definitely a sequel. Like it or not, Paper Jam is the 5th Mario & Luigi game and Brothership is Mario & Luigi 6! Seems to me that Peach and Bowser will be assisting Mario & Luigi as maybe some kind of special that you earn like in Super Mario RPG. How sick would it be if the Super Mario Bros. got 2 extra teammates later on in the game in the form of Wario and Waluigi? I don't know, though. It feels like it's just going to be the Super Mario Bros. in this game. Just like in SS, BIS (Bowser was separate), and DT. PIT saw the Super Mario Bros. teaming with their baby counterparts and PJ saw them teaming up with Paper Mario. My dream Mario & Luigi game would be the Super Mario Bros. teaming up with Wario and Waluigi! Maybe in a future Mario & Luigi game!
Alphadream is dead tho, unlike Square Enix, so it's likely even if Alphadream HAD partial rights, they were scooped up by Nintendo. (Tbh, I don't think Alphadream did.)
I wouldn’t complain about Peach getting kidnapped again if they took the Paper Mario approach- she gets kidnapped, but she still finds ways to help from where she is.
That would be fun if it does return. Out of the games where she does get kidnapped, I think TTYD definitely did it as one of the best for that exact reason
I feel like its not a reboot because in one part of the trailer there is an area that looks very similar to Mount Pajamaja from Dream Team, so maybe you can somehow explore some reimagined locations from Mario And Luigi's legacy. Plus, in the direct, they called it a new entry and not a reboot.
One thing we're curious about is the ebb and flow of nostalgia versus new, by that we mean we can't help but notice that Mario's most straightforward kidnappings of peach tended to be around the New Super Mario Bros era, or the one where Mario stagnated referencing SMB1-3 heavily. The current Mario era is somewhat similar to the gamecube one in that it's experimenting and trying out a lot of new things. As a result we're not fully sold on the idea Peach won't be kidnapped again. But! We still agree on you for quite a few things. It all depends on how much Nintendo has sort of realized that... they just don't really need Peach to do basically the same plot? The pixies, the flower kingdom, etc, aren't really different from Peach in execution, and all for the better we'd argue. It lets us find out about new characters or locales, iconic as the mushroom kingdom is. Peach just being one of the casual fun characters featured is honestly sort of refreshing. Peach is a hyper femme, dolled up princess who loves to bake and dance and sing, but those elements don't inherently say anything bad about women. Her still getting to be that but just allowed to *join in on the fun* is, well, it's nice!
Every Mario Party I play online in Superstars is completely insane. It's always down to the wire they did a great job with that game. It's the only game strangers are actively passing out friend request.
I hope these future Mario and Luigi games resemble the first three with the first being a simple but fun experience the second having a dark tone and the third having a insane concept.
I really doubt that means anything though, given the long gap between the games I don't think the devs would overload the game with call backs and references as for a lot of people this would be their first Mario & Luigi game
They probably noticed the mario series was a bit more boy-sided for a little while during the switch era, and toadette just doesn't have the same appeal of peach for girls. The movie and Showtime were definitely a big push towards making her character a lot more prominent, both in the games and marketing, and I have a feeling they will be experimenting even more with the status quo of the series, after all we got princess Daisy playable in Wonder after them experimenting with her inclusion in Mario Run many years before.
To me Paper Jam ticks way more of the boxes of a reboot than this. Every other Mario & Luigi game is rich with original characters, every sequel calls back to the events of the previous games with returning characters, and then there's Paper Jam. Which is just... a typical 2010s Mario game. Besides Starlow, nothing about Paper Jam's story and characters are Mario & Luigi in the slightest. While Brothership just in this first trailer OOZES with M&L energy. To me, Paper Jam was the reboot, stripping the cast of characters back to just what can be found in the NSMB series and going for a painfully played-straight 2D Mario-tier kidnapping plot. The M&L remakes were the original vision for the series gasping for air, before AlphaDream's debt and the lack of any fandom-side excitement for the remakes (which I will never understand) shoving them back under to drown. And then Brothership finally rising from the ashes and reversing ALL of Paper Jam's insulting sanitization. As far as I'm concerned Brothership is the Mario & Luigi 5 you couldn't put a gun to my head to make me call Paper Jam.
When Rare was bought by Microsoft, all the DK Country/64 characters (created by Rare) went back to Nintendo’s ownership. So after Alpha Dream’s closer, their creations reverted back to Nintendo.
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26:55 I'm pretty sure Hanafuda Cards are mentioned in the Broshoure. Though personally, it's a mixed opportunity to have this kingdom also produce Checkpoint Flags - that would have explained why they always have Bowser's design. 😂
The Mario & Luigi series got increasingly muddled towards the end. Remakes sanitized the original games' charm a bit, coinciding with the period that brought us Sticker Star during a shift away from traditional RPGs. Around the same time, we even saw a Mario & Luigi crossover with Paper Mario. Given the current RPG renaissance at Nintendo, a soft reboot that brings the series back to its roots makes a lot of sense to me.
I don't really see how it'd be, it looks like we're travelling outside the mushroom kingdom so it'd be kinda hard to know if things from past games are canon or not
This was a great watch. Your narration is clear and precise, your editing style is silky smooth, awesome stuff! You deserve way more viewership and subscribers! ❤❤❤ And, on topic, I wouldn't mind if M&L:BS was a reboot, honestly. A lot of the series main-stays started to get old once we reached Paper Jam (looking at you Starlow) and bringing back that earlier level of experimentation I think is great for the series in my opinion. :)
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@@dannypalin9583 If its a reboot than I failed to see how. It's a game about Mario and Luigi hence the name. Plus its been 4 years since the remake(9 for the last original game) I doubt casuals would really know the series at this point.
I was thinking honestly this could be a soft reboot. Especially since partners in time they were adding new buttons while this seems only mario and luigi.
@@whu13 I meant how every game adds a new mechanic like how in partner in time x and y button, bowser's inside story was bowser, dream team was the touch screen and level changing and paper jam was adding paper mario. this game seems like it going back to simple but again idk maybe it is just a sequel and we havent seen new mechanics.
you can tell by the footage that their assigning hammers to X and Y so I believe there will be attacks requiring both hammer and jump commands via separate buttons
The game looks great and I’m excited for it. The side modes kinda scare me. I think the way to improve Mario party is more and more customization rather than having random side modes . In super Mario party we got 5 mediocre side modes you’d never want to play more than once rather than one great mode with tons of replayability. But since this game is clearly going to have tons of side modes I hope they’re good.
