One thing you should do to that Gardner in fact any Gardner is to look above the spragging/charging levers on the cambox and on the front of each fuel pump is an alloy cover held on by two BSF nuts. The front one will have the engine hp rating tag the second will be blank. On each cover will be what Gardner call a cheesehead screw. Undo this screw snd using an oil can squirt 2-3 times into each fuel pump. Then replace the screw. This will lubricate the control rod in each pump. Your 6LXB will thank you for it. Bit sad seeing the deco levers etc missing.
Thanks, is that why suddenly she stopped stopped after starting as usual the second turn over as on one day and the next turned over and no firing up, appears to be something to do with the start-stop between the injectors...I wondered if the deco levers were missing, looks like they have been undone and removed, I'm going to have a look for this screw etc this weekend, I love this advice really appreciated
@@bilgerat711 Not lubing them will cause yr issue for sure. Also check the operation of the stop lever while looking behind the first fuel pump body, there is a rack soring there it should move back n forth nice and freely as u operate the lever. As for thec deco levers like whole arrangement is missing. Ive got plenty of engines here for spares and cores if you want to replace the levers, shafts etc. will happily send wats needed down to you. Sum engines esp later model LXB's wernt even fitted with them. The holes were just plugged up. Send me the engine number off the tag on inj pump front body or off alloy insertion plate the pumps sit on if stamped there or off the crankcase itself and I can tell if its late or early model. Looks like its got a factory rebuild tag on the top cover on the governor case. So posdible deco levers have been removed.
Thanks, pleased I am not alone here, just purchased some resin-double-lined shrink-tubing on sale from Smart-Marine for about 1 third of the usual cost, when freight is factored in....10 metres of 4.5mm, 7.5 and 12.7, (by memory) more than enough for most re-wiring jobs and will keep me going on this old girl the resin etc will seal new connections nicely for the damp and salt-air...pleased to get a great deal from a non-overseas companystuf
@@bilgerat711 Don't mind paying a reasonable markup to a NZ retailer but the more stuff I buy from Temu the more I see the same items sold here with huge markups
Re temu, i no you said good on mitre 10 for replacing your vax , when you return a product to temu they are very quick aswell as you only return to Auckland postage paid,just a thought for you keep up the great videos.
whats behind the wall... you could go backwards and cover it in the other room.. give you a nice wooden front flush with the wall... easier to come out the front, if you do, I'd come out to the edge of the window border on the left and build a really nice cabinet front and a rounded edge on the out side corner... beautiful mate...👍 yeah nah on second thoughts I'd go backwards into the room behind and keep the front flush with the wall
Unfortunately the head is directly behind the wall, toilet and shower and to baton out this area would mean a lot of work and moving of the toilet, reduction of area, not a huge area, but thanks I did have a think about it and not yet off the table as a possibility
@@bilgerat711 there wouldnt need to be much hanging though... just a wee box over a couple of switch wires or what ever... but yeah so many possibilities...
Totally agree re: prices local versus Temu or Amazon etc. I purchase quite a few items from these and quality is certainly better than it was ten years ago. Where your books etc are on the toilet bulkhead, I would look at making a hinged door (ply or get some Multiboard) then you can mount your switches, Solar regulators etc on the door giving you enough depth behind for clearance. All your wiring can then be hidden behind door and tidied up with some spiral loom or other. Out of little fingers way lol. Cheers.
Some great ideas, yes little fingers are wonderful and given I need to tidy up the house-bank-wiring could be a good opportunity to do that. A felt and do feel a bit guilty over the on-line purchases, but ........anything a bit more expensive I'll certainly consider shopping locally, quality certainly has improved,
Hey Mike. Just found your channel and looking forward to your progress. The photo in your thumbnail is where I and many others grew up. It would be cool to recreate that photo at Wakatahuri one day 👍
Thanks, love the boat because she has local history, the old boat has changed a bit as you will see, I am looking forward to a trip to Drysden Bay at some stage, I had Margaret, one of Jim's Daughters send some footage of Northern Star leaving the home jetty there, on the facebook page, Picton's Northern Star, the boat, somewhere there, thanks for watching hope t get some more interesting footage in the very near future
I am an Aussie and my Kiwi wifes family all came from Westport. Anyone in town of retirement age would remember Sadie and Eric Platt. Her family came out from Scotland after WW1 and they all worked in the coal mine up on Deniston mountain. Auntie Annie and Uncle Parly had 14 kids up there. It was a hard life with no power or access except up by using the coal inclinator. Eric came out from Lancashire after WW2 and he was also a miner and a boilermaker. They lived in Christchurch until they retired back to Westport in about 1980. They loved me as their son until their deaths in the late 1980s. My wife who had moved to OZ in 1969, and I traveled all around the West Coast on our many visits to our in laws. Westport is a very inclusive community and everybody is related in some way and coal was the main industry apart from fishing. These people went out of their way to make me feel part of this huge extended family. All the red heads on the West Coast are related to Uncle Parly. I am blessed to also have nephews to my wifes brothers and we all keep in touch. If I had no ties in Australia I would move there in a heartbeat. But my kids are in OZ so that won't happen. I now feel like visiting again thanks to this video.
Thanks, a special place and pleased someone enjoyed watching, these sorts of things do make you a bit homesick, memories of better and past times and special people, thanks for your message couldn't even scratch the surface of things to see and do in the area, would need to spend weeks and be on the go all day and you would still only scratch the surface, met a chap called Alfie while I was there having a beer in the RSA..he owns a hovercraft, quite a character
Great to see another of these beautiful boats getting another life. Those metal handled brooms have a threaded end, wind it out and replace with wood or plastic threaded handle and it can also have a second life.
Great results, fabulous commentary, and a beautiful old boat. Hours and hours and hours of fun (and $$) , thanks for the video. Great to watch as I sit at my boring office having a coffee !
Thanks, hoping to start spicing things up a bit when I get her mobile again, love making these, great fun and I enjoy the editing so hopefully will get better
As a marine surveyer i measure vessels all the time it depends on what you are measuring for , instance is the shortest the instance company can get , for tonnage is on hold and deck lengths, for berthing is the maximum length they can charge but i recomend when ooking into a marina you quote the registered or official lenght
Have a small motorcycle 12 volt battery, which can be trickle charged off anything.. alternator. 24 to 12v..Solar charge hardwire it do not add anything else to the system, yes three way switch is good as sometimes water level won't turn float on so you can manually test system and empty bilge
Thanks, wondering about that as you said, most of the system is 24 volt and to run 12 volt either needs an investment in a converter to avoid flattening one battery or a separate system as you suggested...worthy of further investigation
I have fitted those automatic pumps in several boats in the last ten years and report no issues. In my opinion you don’t need any sort of switch. Just hard wire it to a battery and let it do its thing. The manual function is unnecessary if you think about it logically. The only check I do is the test knob on the pump to make sure it’s working from time to time but have had no failures to date. KISS. Keep it simple stupid.
I did wonder why we need a manual other than to quickly turn on to clear an bilge water but I guess the obvious things is if there was sufficient water in the bilge to need that then the float-automatic system should have dealt to it anyway...thanks for the advice
That is certainly my experience. I have two automatic pumps hard wired one forward and one aft and the biggest pump I could find on a manual switch so if I need to shift water all three will run independently giving me a fighting chance at least. I will be up your way at the end of of the month and would be interested to have a look at your project. Regards Peter.
Is it worth considering making a new roller assembly that can fold back into the boat when it isn't in use? That would eliminate the length issue, but enable you to have a good length of anchor roller. You might need to add a davit by the stem to lift the anchor off easily though.
Congrats on bringing her back to life. I remember her well growing up in Picton in the 60's, with my father owning "Rongo" part of the Red Funnel fleet. She is a typical Carey build, built like a brick toulet, totally reliable and more than capable of handling some biig big seas
Thanks, one of the reasons other than her design, etc we wanted to purchase her was because of the historical attachment to the area, needing to make sure we get her back to a high standard and eventually when she is passed on to a new owner she'll be great for another 50 years
Yes bit of conundrum really, love having the boat in the Marina, we wanted her there so I could get my wife on and off because she was unwell, now I am getting some work done, can't move her until this is completed and seriously contemplating putting her back onto a mooring, need to play the game I suppose and follow the rules, now I can sort the repairs under the bow-roller assembly properly now anyway so silver linings
Just check the small manual lever on the bottom of the fuel lift pump. I always prime the fuel up using this for a real cold start [ like 1 month laying idle] Once i left this lever engaged and she stopped after 10mins cause the motor was starved of fuel.
The repair advice is good if you weren't 400ish miles away I would come help, some clarification the resin has to be Epoxy resin only I can't emphasize enough, EPOXY only, there's name brands and cheap brands the differences are not so important but it should be Epoxy. Grind back to good dry wood then fill with epoxy thickened with wood dust/sawdust/contents of sander bag you can also use colloidal silica and filler powder etc. Epoxy primer paint helps also. Its not particularly structural repair but still fine for what's there. the Ply repair I would scarf in then grind and fiberglass with epoxy over the joint. Ditch the Danforth get a modern plow or similar a nice one will nest into the bow roller nicely. Its the chain that holds the boat in place. 1960's Ply marine grade was great but its still got a life particularly if exposed to fresh water. advice above works but if it needs to be structural just epoxy in a new bit. That's a very cool boat man perfect for that area.
Hey thanks for the feedback really good to get these pearls of wisdom before I start the work, done once and right, shame you were too far away, thanks again
Good to see you making progress. I am in Tasmania with an old wooden fishing boat. I am a few years ahead of you. But my boat had similar issues with rot. I just cut it out and replaced what I needed to. New timber and resin with sawdust is a good filler solution. I also noticed a little bit of mold in the wheelhouse. Windex sprayed on then wiped off is a great and easy way to remove mold. Do not be tempted to use flammable spray degreasers on the engine. A fellow on another Jetty had a huge explosion and severely burnt himself. The bilge pump came on and created a spark. I used to use it. I was lucky.
Thanks, I have a mate in the Huonsville who we stayed with a couple of years back, toured all round Tasmania as much as we could, next time I come over I want to spend some time at the timber boat museum, something I didn't have time to do, there is something about timber boats though isn't there
As if a few inches would make a difference being on the T part of the marina arm , Im afraid 'IT`s" not known as the most friendly marina in NZ , The opposite . Now they are charging for shore power over the top of the rental charge (Witch did incorporate Power, Wonder if they drop the rental rate that had the power charge included?) Some horrendous bills for power already coming in .
Thanks, I get it, they need to ensure the water access is clear but when it is obvious there are a number of boats sitting in berths throughout the marina that are clearly bigger than what should be there, makes one wonder, rules are rules I suppose, I am seriously thinking of searching for a sheltered mooring to put her back onto in the ear future and saving some money to spend on her,
If you knew how much Jim payed for that new Gardner or the quote then the final bill .. Big bikkies . Be great to see her restored & sailing the sounds again .
Would have been a cracker of a bill but the fact the engine is still running and in great nick other than some age and neglect-related issues says it all for quality really
Yes and the mechanic reckons that is the c asue of it not starting, he's going to install a cable and lever system rather than relying on the cord pull it one way to shut off and pull it back the other for starting, Nice to hear my content is being enjoyed around the world, thanks have a wonderful day,
Had this very problem with my old boat and Gardner engine...turned out to be water in the fuel!..traced back to a hole in the top of the portside 70 year old mild steel fuel tank that had a small deck leak above!...just running on a small day tank untill i get round to putting in the new fuel tanks...i have 3 wooden boats 🤦♂️
I did wonder that, I don't think I have water in fuel issue I'm pretty sure it is likely a lever causing the issues...you're a busy man with three wooden boats, you'd be rather busy
Remember the Northern Star from somewhere, lovely looking old girl. Thanks for the look around. I lived in Picton in an earlier life, worked at Jorgensen Marine in Waikawa just after they split with Dan Sheppard and I ran the marine workshop side. Lived up Russell St overlooking the Picton Marina when Carey's caught fire one night. I remember watching the gas bottles or drums of thinners going up above the coat hanger bridge. Brings back memories, cheers.
Thanks that's what I love about this chanel, lots of folks have got some great stories about the boat, families and area, I had Phillip Carey do my insurance inspection report on it, he had been on the original build and spent a day crawling around tapping with his hammer when the boat was on the hard
@@bilgerat711 Pretty sure Jim Fishburn may have had Northern Star fishing out of Dryden Bay, or, my mind is playing old age games with me. Do you moor her in Momorangi Bay ? Cheers and keep your updates coming.
These old boats have loads of character. I’m also restoring an old wooden boat with a big Gardner marine diesel and the same gearbox and reduction box. Do remember to run the engine in gear intermittently, if you leave her idling for any length of time, because the gearbox oil pump only operates when she is in gear. Also, the oil in the reduction box should be changed quite frequently ie. every four months of normal running using a heavy extreme pressure gear oil. I use EP 140 weight. This is often overlooked during maintenance because the engine and gearbox oil change intervals are significantly longer ie. gearbox oil change every 2000 hours! You may wish to consider getting the operators handbook for the 6LXB from Gardner UK. Best wishes and keep up the good work.
Lovely stuff thanks, I usually put the engine in and out of gear when idling even ties up to shed a bit of growth of the prop, good to know about the oil pump, I noticed turning the other gearbox over by hand I could hear the pump working inside, sounding like a bellows-type of pump. Found a handbook in the boat which was quite funny after everything. I am going to make a point of following your advice re the reduction box oil, would love to see some pics etc on your old boat, I have a facebook page facebook.com/groups/493219189428924 Picton's Northern Star the Boat, you'd be more than welcome to throw something on there, have a lot of folks following who love the old boats
One of a number, apparently starting issue is easily sorted, as someone guessed mechanic was pretty laid back about it, a stuck on-off lever, there is a cord used currently pulled one way to turn off pulled the other way to turn on...something is stuck there and the mechanic reckons a proper lever and cable set up would prevent this happening again, still working through the list of other things the engine needed for it's birthday, sorting the reduction box now, shame when folks leave servicing and other work that needs to be done and a new owner inherits these issues😆
It is disheartening alright but these old boats are all about maintenance. Once you have been right through it will get better. I have a system whereby once a month in a roster I go through each system and check for potential problems that way you can stay on top of it, sort of. Lovely boat, all the best.
@@peterofficer6460 Thanks a big job bringing her back up to a standard but I think you're right, will need to do the same and maybe ensure everything is properly documented for ease of remembering what was done when
Hi, 40 old fashioned feet, built 1967 in Picton by Carey's boat yard for Jim Fishburne who was commercially fishing the Cook Strait out of Drysden Bay. I believe she was a home-design, additional dead-wood to the keel to ensure she tracked backwards in the bad wind against tides typical of the area, extra Australian iron bark timbers along the chime and scantling for a 50 footer. I believe Jim wanted something fairly bullet proof that if she broke her mooring as was quite likely where she was based, would not bash herself to bits on the beach. I believe she was originally powered by a Gardener LW, I see the original books are still on board and the engine was later upgraded to the 6LXB she currently has.
I have never changed them and have only owned the old boat for around 16 months so she's a work in progress, they have been changed now as a part of the work and maintenance currently taking place, from this point on regular maintenance will be scheduled and recorded,. The old boat has had very little use over the past few years the old fuel filters had 2015 written on them and I believe she was still in commercial use in 2012
Thanks for your feedback, I'll do that good to have some feedback, as you have probably guessed I am not a video producer it is all organic and happening as it happens
Thanks that was what I was wondering a s well something like that, reduction box is in parts at the moment so once it is back together we can have a look at why and this is most likely the issue I
