You shot the shoulder and spin with a bonded bullet at close range and expected not the have meat damage. As well I highly doubt the copper portion of the TA disappeared. If the TA isn’t tough enough try the Trophy Bonded Tipped, bigger copper portion, thicker wall construction, less lead up front or considering your shoots are all at close range a mono bullet would be perfect. Just remember mono bullets are not explosive so you gotta hit the vitals not just get close to them. And quartering shots with mono bullets can get messy they drive deep. And any bullet hitting bone and flesh will destroy it. Try some Hornady cup and core garbage if you wanna see shit go south. 😂😂
Barnes bullets are all I use anymore. I mostly use the ttsx, but I have used the lrx once. It's a little softer alloy, so you may lose petals at high velocity at close range. This isn't a bad thing though, as the shank will still penetrate all the way through. The petals coming off just create extra wound tracts in the chest. But I've had great luck with the ttsx. Out to 400 yards, at magnum velocities, they will expand just fine, and they do less meat damage at close range than any hunting bullet I've ever shot. The best advice I can give you, after 10 years of experimenting, is shoot a lighter bullet than you would in lead. Speed is key with copper bullets. 3000fps is the bare minimum, and I prefer 3200 to 3300, or more if possible. Try the 130 ttsx in that 30-06. I have a friend that gets 3400 out of his with it with imr 4064. In the 6.5 prc, id shoot the 120 ttsx or tge 127 lrx.
lol 13 grains lighter but will retain its weight where the precision hunters will blow to pieces on game . The terminal ascent and accubond are far better hunting bullets
I hear a lot of wild stories that make you overthink about bullet selection. Hard to think the bondstrike and TA broke up. They are tough constructed (the TA is tougher).
My Xbolt in 6.8 western shoots sub moa with all ammo except the copper crap! I don’t know what your problem is but don’t dis the caliber just because you can’t get it to group.
Love the 130 terminal ascents in my kids creedmoor. I shot a mule deer buck with them 2 years ago at 100 yards and he didn’t take a step. Muzzle velocity is 2880 checked with a labradar. It looked as I would expect from a thinner jacketed bullet (I know the terminal ascent isn’t a thin jacketed bullet), but it performed a lot like the Berger hybrid targets do on game (which are my personal favorite hunting bullet).
Having used some of the softest constructed bullets at very close range I'll just go ahead and call b.s. on these tall tales of lack of penetration in this video.
It is the responsibility of the ethical hunter to know and understand the terrain, the game being hunted and the most probable ranges as well ad the capabilities and limitations of his equipment. Both Federal Ascent and Norma BondStrike are dedicated LONG RANGE cartridges, ie. 300 yds +…it says so on the image of the Norma box in the video. The poor results you describe are directly attributable to incorrect cartridge selection for particular conditions. The responsibility lies with you and not the ammunition you chose. I am not familiar with the Norma lineup of ammunition, but I can say that Federal Fusion or PowerShok would have been a far better choice for hunting whitetails in close cover and out to 200 yds. These are similar conditions to where I hunt here in Southern Ontario, Canada. Just my 2 cents…
Ive loved these but cant find em for months n months Recently went back to the partitions. There incredible, as always. They just do there job every time
7x64mm. An excellent round for any critter. It’s huge in Europe but hardly ever seen here in America. 35 Whelen is an awesome round also. I don’t have a 35 but do own a couple of 45-70
I've got an h&h single shot 35 remington rebored to 358 winchester. Getting over 2600 fps with 200 tsx. Also got it threaded and loaded some 200gr subs. Super quiet!
I think both of those bullets are good bullets. Especially in something like 180 gr at 308 and 3006 velocities. But you lived those experiences, stick with what you feel comfortable with. Standard accubond will perform well beyond distances that most people should be shooting at. I am impressed by numbers on these newer offerings but reality is I don’t shoot much past 300 yards so most bullets work for me in my non magnum cartridges
Ive always liked both the .358 win and the .35 Whelen for hog and bear in the woods and field edge because i dont need to track game for hundreds of yards with less game actually lost. I use what ive got which is the .308 that allows me a short light weight rifle that will easily get me out to 350 yards and works up close. Wish id kept the other two rifles but i had to sell them at the time.
High velocity, and bullet construction will cause meat damage...300 win mag , try heavy for caliber bullets, and shot placement makes a huge difference.. sorry about the messed up meat...i shoot slower calibers 6.5x55 160 gr, 30-06 220 gr ,303 British 180 gr...slower doesn't mean worse...
Barnes TTSX and LRX copper bullets stay together regardless--even if you hit the shoulder bone at short range. I have neither witnessed nor heard about one such bullet "blowing up" or failing to penetrate. The drawback is that, all other things being equal, they produce narrower wound channels than the same-weight lead-core bullet. Probably the most reliable bullet for terminal performance is the Swift A-Frame, but they are now crazy-expensive, hard to find in loaded ammo and not all that accurate at long range.
CVA needs to make the Scout in 358 win with Mississippi and Louisiana allowing 35 cal and up single shot rifles in primitive season....alot of guys using 35 whelen n 350 legend in it
first its a plastic stock with a bipod on it. second if you need a muzzle brake then go get you a 22. a Man would shoot it like a man not a girl. I have a winchester model 70 super grade and with the same ammo you are shooting I get .621 moa at 100 and 1.12 moa at 200. Buy a better gun and grow A SET OF NUTS AND SHOOT LIKE A MAN AND LOOSE THE MUZZLE BREAK
You're way off on the velocity of the 6.5 prc Terminal Ascent. Unless your gun doesn't like them...My Bergara premier approach 24 inch low 3060 high 3114.
switched to terminal ascent and cx monometal after having terrible performance out of the eldx bullets. all of my deer have been dropping instantly or damn close ever since. im excited to try the 170gr 7prc this year as well
Sounds like you better start using Barnes TTSX and stick exclusively to that. Ya make marginal shots you better expect marginal results with any lead core bullet.
I got mine when they first came out so I paid more for it but ive no regrets. This little red has gone with me everywhere since that day ive even put away my bigger stuff because this thing is lite small and simple. I can easily hit pop cans at 80 feet all day with it. I to use the handgunner ammo from Hornaday and it works great. Ive not found anything it won't work with as of yet and ive run a ton threw it. If you keep it oiled and clean it won't let you down. And ps don't worry about a few misses this little thing is different than most once you get it down pat its there. Ive not tried the lcp max yet I want to I just haven't found the need because this little thing has proven itself to me 100%.
Sorry to hear about the bad experience man. Have gone over to 100gr TTSX and 127gr LRX here. I don't blame you for being so concerned, if you ever connect with heavier/bigger bone with it on larger animals. Have never killed with the Terminal Ascent but was a very big fan of Trophy Bonded Tipped
I had a first this past deer season 2 fold. First time shooting a new Tikka T3x in 6.5 Creedmoor (newest and smallest cartridge to me), and the factory 143 Norma Bondstrke. I was walking my dad's land, ended up sneaking up on a mature doe. Got her at 65 yards. Bullet did just fine. Small entry, about a nickel sized exit. Shot placement was as centered as you can get in the kill zone. She ran a bit, about 60 yards in a cut bean field but bled like a faucet with fast running water. The only other Bondstrikes I have shot so far are factory for my 300WMs, also all Tikkas. I am saving those for bigger game but did shoot factory Norma Whitetail 150 grains and killed a buck with those out of one of my 300WM. Same performance. Distance was about 185 yards. Deer ran about 40 yards. Inside 500 yards here's what I've learned when it comes to game about 400 pounds and smaller over the last 35 years; shoot the cheapest most accurate bullets available if that suits you. I've gone through just about every phase you can imagine getting caught up in plain bullets like Speer boat tails to ballistic tips, accubonds. to TSX, TTSX, LRX, Berger VLDs, ELD-X, ELD-M, ABLRs, partitions, Swift Sciroccos and Aframes, Winchester Fail Safes (remember those?). I've been buying factory Norma Whitetail ammo at roughly $22/box across a wide spectrum of cartridges. I have too many honestly, if that's a thing. What impressed me this past season, which was my first to use ANY Norma factory ammo to hunt was that I killed 3 deer, all at the same spot, 3 mornings in a row at precisely 300 yards with another new cartridge to me, the 708, also a Tikka but a compact. I used Norma 150 grain Whitetail ammo. That bullet punched through the vitals on all 3 deer like they were going to penetrate a brick wall with ease and I can't think of anything special about those bullets. I don't think they are bonded. What was also new to me was how slow factory ammo can be. I'm used to my 270s, 280s, and others shooting handloads so fast and flat I can hold kill zone to 300 yards and score. I sighted in that 708 zeroed at 100 and wrongfully assumed I'd be about 3" low at 200 and 10-11" low at 300 yards. I did not do what I should have done and verified drop. Turns out those bullets were dropping 20" at 300 yards. Got lucky on that first deer and destroyed the heart. I wondered how it hit so low. I clocked that ammo after the season and found it was going a whopping 2500fps. My 270s with 130 grain TTSX are over 3300 fps. Anyway I figured drop on deer 2 and 3 perfectly with that 708. I did end up buying a die set to handload that cartridge. Ultimately, the Bondstrike is an excellent bullet. It's a direct competitor to the Speer Imact, Nosler ABLR, Swift Scirocco IIs. I like them so much I bought multiple cases of it for the 6.5CM, 300WM, 7RemMag, 308, 30-06, 300WSM. I also scored on 6 boxes of Federal Terminal Ascent, 136 grain, in 270 to handload as well as a box of 130 Federal trophy bond and 2 boxes of 140 Federal trophy bond in 270. Never used those on game but hope to. Over the years I've leaned fancy bullets don't perform any better or worse than a good ol Speer boat tail and I can get a box of 100 for $28, 130 grain, i 270 for example. Again, I'm talking about game like a 400 pound black bear or caribou or smaller.
I'm running the B14 HMR in 308 with a VX5 3-15x with an illuminated dot over duplex crosshairs. Ran into the same issue with the Leupold extra throw lever hitting the bolt knob.. actually knocked the scope off zero.. I run a Larue Tactical 2 point adjustable sling on my walk into the stand.. but +1 to your evaluation of the Crest.. stock design is super comfortable, ergonomic for your wrist.. overall a great product for the $$.. customer service is also top notch..
We use Remington 7600 Carbines tracking big bodied whitetails in the dense woods of Maine, NH, and VT with the 35 Whelen. To us, it is the ultimate big woods bucks slayer. In fact, the legendary Larry Benoit said the ultimate whitetail rifle is the 7600 Carbine in 35 Whelen. Great video Gear 101🤙🦌
