Even the pro is pretty difficult to justify. It's got a cpu that a lot of the cheap retro handhelds are rocking these days. Paying 400 dollars for a device with the same CPU as something you can buy for 60 is pretty harsh and they weren't very high end with any of the other parts either. It was a cool project. If like Framework decided to do a phone with the same general standards as the laptops they've produced we might see something along what the vision of the pinephone itself was based on. An every day linux phone still seems a long ways off though so the software ideals of the pinephone still seem like a distant unlikely dream.
I really want to see and selected handful of Android phones get the attention. 5-10 phones that everyone develops for to make as good as possible and then expand out from there. At the moment, we just need a few phones to work great with Linux mobile so that you can daily drive. I will buy a phone just for that!
I think that the price on these makes it impossible for normal Linux users to daily drive them. I know that the price is already at the minimum; but comparing to 2nd hand phones that can boot Linux, you can see why not many people use it atm, which sucks. But I still think it is a great thing for Linux community as a whole thb.
@@thenoplanchannel I will wait for the video! The phone is around $100 in my country so it will be a more viable option than many run-of-the-mill Linux phones
Я пользовался PP с Pmos SXMO в качестве ежедневного смартфона 3 года (пока он не сгорел какого-то хрена). Почему выбор пал именно на этот дистрибутив? А потому что все остальные ужасно не оптимизированы как под PP, так и ежедневное использование. И это заслуживает претензий к разработчикам софта на единственный, бл_ть, доступный линукс-смартфон. Почему андроиды получают лучшую поддержку того же UBports, чем линукс-устройство? Почему в Phosh и KDE plasma годами не фиксятся одни и те же баги и краши? Почему у моего PP сгорел процессор (очевидно) и какой криворукий "специалист" разрабатывал такую ненадёжную схематику? Вам не кажется, что за 150 баксов, такие слабое железо и ненадёжность это слишком дорогое "бета-тестирование", а? Опять же сейчас встал вопрос рентабельным ли окажется ремонт этого куска говна за 95$ (новая плата + доставка) или он опять проработает не больше 3 лет, а мне стоит накопить на тот же Fairphone и просто "отлинуксировать" его? Единственное, что мне понравилось и во что я буквально влюбился - это SXMO (хоть она и не блещет красотой, как KDE plasma)... Мобильное линукс-сообщество - это позор.
The underpowered performance of phones like these are always what makes them a turn off for me even though I'm right in the market for what they want to offer
I recently purchased a PinePhone. I should have gotten the pro. I love Plasma on my computer, and I love Plasma mobile, but is so sluggish, its nearly unusable in my opinion. Currently running Mobian and just use Pixel 8 for RU-vid when not able to use my PC, or when laying in bed. I have AT&T, and had to update the firmware of the modem to keep it from crashing. Ubuntu Touch runs decent, but for whatever reason doesnt detect the modem. Arch with Phosh runs pretty good. Tried Manjaro, but couldn't get the MMS settings to stick for some reason. Do have a question. How is call quality for you, or anybody else? For me, it sounds like the other person is talking to me from a distance in a tunnel, and they say I sound far away from tge device. Can't get any bluetooth headset to work properly (setting sound settings to use the headset mic crashes the bluetoith), so I use a wired headset, which is fun while driving.
I also want to try the Pimephone Pro and see if it's improved! Call quality is bad for me as well. But then I switched to T-Mobile and it doesn't even work with the PinePhone for me
@@thenoplanchannel From what I have come across, the pro is a much better experience. That extra gig of RAM (for me, my convergence edition has 3 GB of RAM, which would be 2 gig increase for you) and extra cores, higher clock just gives a better experience.
The Darter Pro can be spec'd with 96gb of RAM. If it had the hardware disable switch, I would buy one today. I am surprised that isn't an option on all of them.
Manjaro is my main OS, I'd love running a version of that on my phone to have an apple like ecosystem but open source. What a shame that this has failed.
Indeed! And it's not fully failed. Aspects of it live on in several OSes and I hope more Android devices get support with the likes of Ubuntu Touch or others
You can't really use latest hardware to build a device like the pinephone since from my understanding it's supposed to be fully open source, that's why they can't just build a phone with common off the shelf budget or mid range android smartphone components. And a linux phone not having an open source firmware will probably drive away the enthusiast developer/tinkerer crowd who are the only people who'd buy such a device, since why buy that device when you can achieve the same with some older pixel/oneplus/xiaomi device. As for the unlocking that oneplus device, carrier locked phones aren't a thing in my country, but aren't oneplus devices supposed to be super easy to unlock like google devices (just the standard usb debugging and fastboot command).
I mean yeah obviously, you sacrifice a lot trying to get a fully open source phone since qualcomm, mediatek or unisoc (in the case of some of those super cheap devices) don't give open source firmware or drivers.
Been daily driving my UBPorts edition pinephone for years (not with UBports though). Ran Manjaro Phosh for awhile then jumped to Mobian when they released Bookworm. Calls, SMS, MMS, LTE, wifi, web browsing, convergence, battery life all work fine for me. Yes it's slow performance, but my needs are rather minimal and it works for me.
Thanks for the tip! How does that very from Phosh? I've actually not seen too much out from it that's much different. But being such a Plasma guy I haven't paid too much attention to that side of things. And yes, I really want to try Plasma Mobile!
I really appreciate the support for the open source community pine64 did I have no idea how they can develop such complicated products for a niech market like this
Thanks for showing off the Ubuntu touch! I daily drive a PinePhonePro. 2021 May through 2023 May my daily driver was a PinePhone running DanctNIX Arch with Phosh 2023 May through today my daily driver is a PinePhonePro running DanctNIX Arch with Phosh
And how do you like it? A PinePhone Pro is definitely on my list to try. So few videos or articles are out on it though that really show it off! What carriers have you used it with?
As a person who has made some PinePhone videos in its early days and only quit for not having enough time due to a different day job, I am glad to see this video! While you maybe can't daily drive it, I know that there are some people still daily driving the PinePhone. I did for a while (with postmarketOS) until moving on to the Librem 5 and then faster Qualcomm Ex-Android hardware. The performance browsing the web was what made me swich, which IMHO is hardly the PinePhones fault. BTW: There was a good reason to start with a well-known chip - you need some decent mainline support for the core SoC before building something as complex as a phone with it. PS: I talked to PINE64 folks at FOSDEM in February, and as long as AllWinner is still keeping the A64 available, a PinePhone 2 is unlikely.
The lack of open video drivers for ARM devices will always be a huge hurdle for making a Linux phone with new hardware. I'm pretty sure Pine64 used that old chip because the reverse engineered drivers were mature enough to function. Since then things have gotten a bit better, but I don't believe there are any ARM chips less than a couple years old with drivers mature enough to compare to their Android counterparts. If AMD or Intel got their graphics in to a mobile ARM chip, or are able to get an x86 chip low enough power to work for more than a couple hours on a phone battery then that would be a game changer for mobile Linux. There just doesn't seem to be enough money there to make it worth their while. Perhaps with everyone wanting to AI 'all the things' then that could be an avenue for AMD or Intel to get a chip on a phone with open graphics drivers. I'm sure a lot more people would be developing Linux for phones if they had usable new hardware that doesn't need to be reverse engineered. The other issue is the cellular modem. It's basically the same situation as the graphics, except I don't believe there is any open hardware or software beyond using binary blobs and reverse engineering everything. There is probably even less monetary incentive for anyone to do this. Great video as always!
For sure! Closed drivers and reverse engineering can suck so much of the available development bandwidth that it makes it hard to even get to the nice "luxury" type features and all you do is play catchup instead of get ahead. There's also no major Linux company developing this or working with the hardware companies. If someone like RedHat, Canonical, Suse, Valve, etc got involved with Linux arm and mobile development, much of this would probably get much easier!
Everybody thank Qualcomm for basically everything wrong with modern phones - phones that stop getting updates after a couple of years, no repair schematics, no open drivers, no open anything
Ya, it is definitely time for the Pine phone 2 and Pine Phone 2 Pro. Really, I'd love to see things work backwards at this stage. Instead of focusing on the phones I'd like to see a plethora of good Risc, Arm and x86 Tablets built for Linux. Not because I think tablets are the future but because it will allow developers and engineers to focus on getting the small portable form factor mastered so that when you add the phone bits back in you're only focusing on making the phone bits work at that stage, rather than an entire Ecosystem. I'd also love to see more companies get behind portable form factors. I'd love to see a System76 Tablet as well as other tablets from other manufacturers. Ultimately I think it will take a hardware vendor like System76 going head first into a tablet first, and a phone second to really bring a us a convergent future. I'd also love to see content focusing on this potential, and hopefully, inevitable future.
Very good point for sure. I feel like much of what lacks however is on the phone side, in terms of software. RCS, carrier support, call quality, etc. If the hardware was just faster and a little nicer, that would also fix a lot
Too bad--this looks like it would have been an interesting device. As a side note, my Samsung Galaxy Xcover 6 has a removable battery, removable back, SD card, and headphone jack, so those features are not dead yet.
@@thenoplanchannel The Xcover and Xcover 6 are both pretty terrific and under-appreciated products. I don't know if the bootloader is unlocked or can be unlocked, though. I have never tried.
LOL EVGA PSU and Gigabyte cheap motherboard is not good man. I wish they would use good components like Falcon-NW. those guys use ASUS and Nvidia video cards
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As someone who just replaced their door speakers in their 2011 Cruze. I enjoyed this. Very relatable on so many levels. Also “float plane” had me dying. Hahahahah
