The basic movements contained in most knife choreographies. Now to be able to use it, you spar against knives, or Escrima sticks or Japanese Bokken or the Chinese spear or the Chinese staff (from any art). That gets you the proper positioning, awareness, timing, speed and power. The knife provides extra footwork needed to deal with highly mobile opponents or opponent's good with kicking. Hundreds of hours have to be put in so this is just the first step. The form doesn't look like much and every lineage has their own form because the form was not really taught.
Lol ppl these days judge TMAs without thinking twice.. The problem with most wing chun or kung fu schools is the existence of mcdojos and lack of sparring.. it wasn't the same back in the days, when ppl learnt actual traditional kung fu, applied lethal techniques, sparred on a daily basis and even tested themseleves against other systems.. trust me, kf tournaments in the 80s used to be *"brutal"* .. no protective gear, minimal rules, even strikes to the eyes and groin were allowed.. honestly, even mma matches look silly compared to them.. WC has produced many good fighters like Pierre Flores, Kevin Holland, Wong Shun Leung, Xiao Ma from streetbeefs.. even Tony Ferguson and Anderson silva incorporate wing chun into their fighting systems
True. I studied Wing Chun in the late 80s and we sparred all the time. Split lips, busted noses, black eyes, etc... And we crossed trained. One person would do anything, the other would use his Wing Chun.
There are lots of videos of Wing Chun being shown effective in a fight. At the end of the day it’s not going to make you immortal no martial art is. Wing chun on it’s own I consider fairly useless but if you have experience in other styles I Think it’s a damn fine asset
But isnt kung fu in its essence mma because most Chinese martial arts possess some elements of striking and grappling but instead in mma they train this different faecets of combat separately rather than in a combined form in kung fu
Wing Chun is all about sticking your fingers in someones eyes or punching them in the throat. Problem is actually doing that to someone isn't easy and or advisable. So its very effective if your psycho enough to follow through.
Its always funny when another bullsh**o got exposed and people try their hardest to defend it, like guys in the comment section. "Bu...bu...but kung fu is not a for a competition, its for self defence, but its also a philosophy" "Bu...bu...but every style has its weakness, every style works when it is combined with other styles". When you cant explain what is your style used for, or what is it exactly after all, philosophy, fighting style or dance it says a lot about your style. Wing Chun is a waste of time. Period. If you have time to learn something new, learn something that actually WORKS and combine it with other styles that also work.
I think it's a simple answer here. If Wing Chun worked really well in a MMA arena then everyone would be doing it. Why wouldn't they? And I am a Wing Chin teacher. But absolutely none of my students aged from 20 to 72 are ever going to compete. Does that mean they should give up? Of course not. There's more to martial arts then just fighting. Another way I've put it before is like this. If I was put in a cage with a MMA guy would I win? Answer is no. But if that same MMA guy threatened my wife or children I would tear him apart. No question.
Joe Rogan is so racist. Listen to the emphasis in his voice when he says the word BLACK guys. Well this video looks like it came out in 2004 or 2005. There was a guy that came out a little later who fucked up everyone in the UFC by using REAL martial arts and karate and his name was lyoto machida. So lyoto debunked the debunkers.
He's not talking about Karate which everyone that actually knows Martial Arts knows is legit, also I think he was referring to the Black Dragon Fighting Society.
The problem with most traditional martial is that mostly focus on striking but lack on take down defense and ground game and know how to respond if they get taken down
Bruce so many movies no real fights only school demontstartions he knows what will happen if he will fight for real thats why he sticks on making movie instead.
m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Y9YdSFS8Ejc.html Here is a few videos WHERE WC loses. Show ME a few videos where WC beats BJJ or Wrestling.
Wtf is he talking about? There’s “hammer fists” in some wing chun forms. Doesn’t go by that name, but it’s the same move. SMH. Everyone thinks they know better than the masters. Train hard, open your mind, and practice in sparring and it will work. But you have to work for it.
Joe Rogan thinks he's a big authority on martial arts and what works, declaring all kung fu "nonsense" in its self-defense capability. Yeah, whatever you say, Joe. It's largely nonsense. Any martial art can be effective if you train for fighting and test against other styles. But most street combat is chaos and involves relatively unskilled fighters. Adapting is one key. I can assure you that kung fu is quite capable of taking out an opponent. There's a pertinent story about Donnie Yen being at a restaurant with his girlfriend who was being hassled by these street guys who followed them out of the restaurant continuing to harass the couple, whereupon Donnie Yen wasted these guys. I guess his skills worked. But Rogan will continue to denigrate styles and people he believes are deluded because he's so full of himself.
First of all there is no such thing as mma. Mma is a creation of anything you want it to be. Some Tae Kwon do and wrestling is mma, boxing and karate is mma, throwing your fat body and spasing out on them with punches is mma. Stop perpetuating mma is a system. Combining techniques from legitimate traditional styles that work for you gives you a good a strong fighting basis. That is what you should strive for. Also jujitsu evolved from old Chinese martial arts Joe. Research chin na fa as one. And hapkido was really recognized as the first wide developed integrated martial art. That is why bruce lee put master ji han Jae in the pagoda building in game of death. Bruce had such respect for the art.
Theres traditional art and fitness form. Then theres applying to real fight. Some of the wing chun moves would work , just not like a form version all the time
I like how he sneaked in taekwondo right there in the end. Taekwondo used to be a sort of legit martial arts, but now all these point sparring and fancy kicks made it totally useless. Plus, all the fat dudes with black belts is not doing the martial art any favors.
i think any traditional martial art s more like a base where you learn body kinetic, stance, meditation, body control and stuff like that. However if u want to fight effectively in real life settings one has to encounter as many different martial arts as possible and based on their "primary" Martial art (for example wing tsun) adapt. If for examle one says wing tsun is a good base for that person they can adpt in that scheme. So small moveets, rather straight movements and few kicks. Seeing a new technique tehy cant block or counter with their set of technique the have to modify their techniue or to implement a new one from a different style and make it harmonic with the rest. I think the vital part is to adapt techniques and ideas from everywhere and think of how u have to modify the techniques of your "primary" martial art to be effective. While most wing tsun techniques are absolutely fit to fight other styles one has to practice them and adapt. And also realize wich parts are decorative or mabe more of an "visualisation of the movement uality" (yep im refering to tiger claw...) and obviously not use them in that setting. In conclusion id say its a questio of what you do with a traditional martial art and how you adapt and develope it accordingly. (which means you need to ecounter many others and will sooner or later start mixing martial arts however more of an "integrating into the basis you have" like an extension of that style.) if one wants to learn the traditional art one can stay in the small frame of experience that style shows. If one wants to fight one has to literally fight and learn by doing also outside of their style.
What the interviewer said at the start makes no sense at all. Mae Geri (front kick) and Mawashi Geri (Roundhouse kick) are used in MMA literally all the time...
Trapping works, just not in any way near like king fu tries to make it work. All of the entries are wrong and the basic movements are the opposite of what you need to be doing. That back and forth wing chun shit is the worst offender. They try to fight like they’re standing in a 6’x2’ box.
@Maverick if Yoga is an exercise then Wing Chun can also be an exercise. If you do it for at least 45 minutes with good intensity. Not everyone enjoys weight training and running.
@Maverick I think it’s best to let people do what they are enjoy doing. If they are doing ineffective self defense martial arts as exercise but they are healthy and in shape then let them. Just because you can’t use it in fighting doesn’t mean it’s useless for your health. In street fight martial art is useless when the bad guy have a gun (which happens all the time) or they jump you from behind or they outnumbered you.
