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I think the real problem isn’t that the new fighters are too broken, it’s just that other characters don’t have the tools to deal with them. It’s just like invasive species. In a vacuum, cane toads aren’t necessarily bad, but when they got to Australia, the local meta AKA wildlife didn’t have the counter play to deal with them, so they instead had their survival threatened. For example, when Min Min invaded the Smash ecosystem, since the main anti zoning tools for a lot of characters, their reflectors just didn’t work since Min Mins attacks are technically not projectiles, their viability got threatened. Overall, it’s not about being OP, it’s about other characters not having the necessary tools to beat you.
@vaexsil The video is awesome, by the way, but respectfully, you made it sound much more complicated than it actually is. Sure, it's only technically three frames faster than a shield drop, but you're forgetting your opponent wasn't moving away during a parry "shield drop," so it's not technically just +3 since you basically skip the shield drop animation entirely. And can do things oos not normally possible like walk oos or literally any move oos. Also, parrying projectiles and parrying normal moves is now the same thing. IIRC, it was fixed through a patch in 2021. Lastly, certain moves that fall into an "indirect hitbox" list give an extra HUGE frame advantage over a normal parry for some reason. (+13 frames of frame advantage instead of the usual +3) There's no rhyme or reason to this; the game just does this. I don't know why, sadly, I forget which moves fall into this category. I do know that Robin arc thunder falls under said category.
Actually, I found an old list that has some of the moves that fall into the indirect category, by the way. These are: byleth landing nair gunner bair/uair ness/lucas down b rob empty laser levin late dsmash/sour usmash seph landing dair dk down b (ground) zss down smash And theres more that i don't have noted down, but you get the point.
Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know this tbh but this was also just supposed to be a mini guide, I could've said more things but I didn't want the video to be too long. Thanks for the corrections tho!
Only works online. I'm a semi pro fighter and in great shape, quite attractive with a good career. Nothing bothers me haha. I've won a couple locals and lost some recently, but people aren't toxic to me because I'll give them a dead leg or steal their girlfriend, if they have one. I'll gladly get DQd knowing some clown who thinks they're cool for playing princess peach and beating an electric cartoon mouse can't walk because of a light punch to the leg. "Have your girl save you" as i wink at her. A good one is getting the girl to smile after you tell them they couldnt stop me from doing it haha. Note im very humble, but ill bring the shit talkin to a real level, real fast when your only skill is smash and you think you can get under my skin. I will have people laughing at you so fast and with my public speaking skills, they will take my side. I'm also halfway decent at the game. I do well at my locals. All but four characters in elite smash as well. With a busy life, I haven't really pursued bigger tournaments though.
Taunting or tbagging does not mean toxicity . toxicity is bad and the smash community is filled to the brim with it. Don't encourage such behaviours, there is a reason why leffen is hated.
I get what you mean. But tauntung and tbagging are considered toxic. And I don't think being toxic is a bad thing as long as you stay within your limits.
This is true, infuriating your opponent with a little toxicity is just another tool to win the mental game, but I would avoid taking this toxicity out of the game in any way. In my opinion, it will earn you more hate than it's worth. Regardless, tilting your opponent so they start performing worse is genuinely an effective strategy that I think shouldn't be so frowned upon. At the end of the day, if you're irritated by someone taunting in a videogame, you bear the fault for letting it get to you and distract you from what matters. Ignoring toxic behavior and trash-talk is the simplest way to avoid getting tilted, and I believe it's really not that hard when you realize how nonsensical it is to be angry at a videogame character performing various silly gestures.
I agree that because of the community, it is better not to use this strategy. But getting angry at taunts or tbags is, like you said, more the fault of the person getting triggered.
The last time someone tried to troll me at a local, I pinched their bicep and almost made them cry. Soft boys shouldn't talk trash even if it's not serious, because my pinch wasn't serious, so why you crying? I prefer a more "mentor" or chill strategy when interacting with people, not the "don't touch grass and my girlfriend cheats on me" method you speak of. That way, people don't talk shit behind your back lol. Unless it's silly ball busting around friends.
This is something that has been known and done in almost every sport. Its just playing mind games. Unfortunately, gaming communities are too soft to understand that trash talk and brash behaviour are useful tools to gain a competitive advantage against opponents. Its why home field advantage exist in sports. It takes a mentally tough individual to not let it affect their game...
I agree, I can definitely see why people don't like it. But I agree that the gaming community doesn't like it, especially the smash community, they are so toxic, but when it happens to them, they are the biggest softies.
@@vaexsil Yea tbh, the Smash community didn't used to be this bad. I mean back in the Melee days, everyone talked hella shit. Thats how we had the whole East Coast vs West Coast thing. Just mad trash talking on smashboards that eventually led up to FC3. Tbf, other gaming communities have gotten soft too. The FGC days in the 00s and 10s were some crazy times. Popping off used to be common and now popping off can be seen as rude. Times just change...
Yeah. But that's how it is. If I'm right, I'm not just gonna say I'm wrong, tho. People in the comments telling me I'm wrong while taunting was made to be toxic is something I will stand for. I'm not gonna "admit" that I'm wrong.
@@vaexsil I don't think its a right or wrong thing. As long as you aren't breaking any rules of the competition, all is fair. There are gentleman and unwritten rules in alot of competition but who cares. Baseball probably has the most gentleman rules but they still don't care. We still see people getting butthurt about bat flips so. Are trash talking and bat flips against the rules?? No. But are they lowkey disrespectful?? Yes. But in the world of competitions, anything that you can do to get an advantage within the rules is fair...
So if a player is at a local, and says I need to get better, is it fair to say "if I had a dollar for everytime your mom and girlfriend said that to me about you in bed, I'd be rich"? Or pinching their cheeks like their grandma and call them cute?
Also, what about screaming as loud as you can when your opponent is trying to do a precise input (like Luigi 0-td), pooping your pants before the start of the set to distract your opponent with the smell, and wearing a shirt that has a photoshopped image of you making out with their mom? Where do we draw the line?
@@vaexsil there’s an NFL player named Channing Crowder who used to pee his pants every game for a competitive advantage. If pooping your pants can distract your opponent, why not do it? It’s fine to be toxic to win right?
@@vaexsil You say that this video is satire, but you directly contradicted that in a previous statement of yours, "People in the comments telling me I'm wrong while taunting was made to be toxic is something I will stand for." So which is it? Is this video satire or not? Do you think being toxic is good or not?
If we look at the facts, being toxic is optimal. That is just true. But I originally made this video as a joke. It's a joke with me and a friend and I decided to take it a step further.
I don't want to dog pile on this person for their video but I will say that as somebody who competes competitively in locals for smash ultimate, being toxic in order to get the win may give you temporary victory but it's so much more rewarding to defeat an opponent while both players are at their best. Plus it doesnt breed a negative mind set in other players or yourself in the long run. Good mentality and earning those wins with your practice and skill far outweighs the wins you get by hurting the other players mentality. I'm personally not someone who gets upset at taunting or teabagging but comments out of the game are just going to make people either laugh at you (not in a fun way) or not want to engage with you. I know this point is mostly made at the end but then why not start with that?
I kind of mentioned it throughout the entire video that I think that making actually mean comments is just being a bad person. I just said that a sarcastic comment is okay. I don't see what's wrong with a dumb little joke during a set. If the other person asks you not to do it, then yes, you have to stop. I could see why you don't like them, tho. But getting mad over taunting and tbagging is a problem of the player getting angry/ triggered too fast. I could see getting irritated by tbags, but taunts were designed for a reason, so I think getting mad over taunting is more of a personal issue.
@@vaexsil if im playing casuals with friends, sure a little joking is one thing. but if youre in a match that matters to you and the opponent wants to try talking smack during the set or after a win, I dont really see the merit in that anymore especially if i dont know the person. im sure every friend group is different but i was more concerned with making these comments to people in tournament settings with randoms. people are there to play and win and have fun not listen to someone's attempts at mind games yknow?
It's good content + I said multiple times that being toxic is not the same as being a bad person and explained that as well so I don't see the problem.
But sorry for asking but if you see this comment would it be possible to turn down the volume of the musik for your videos because it makes it harder to understand what your saying even though the Musik chose is pretty good.
Yeah, people have been telling me this. Every video I lower the volume and it's still too loud, the reason it sounds so loud in the end is bc I forgot to turn up the volume of my voice.
Nice Video man also love the fakt you used Smash as an example as a German who has played smash bros for as long at has been out and loving to be Toxic this video is very entertaining also love the way you Elaborate on some points 😊
I exclusively main 2 fighters, Incineroar and Wii Fit Trainer. The DLC fighters haven’t introduced any new problems for these 2 characters that weren’t already present - Incin still gets camped, Wii Fit still gets shut out by disjoints. The key is to learn your matchups. I have over 2k hours logged into Smash 4, where I honed one of the worst characters in the game through all the DLC launches, and brought that to Ultimate.
Mii Swordfighter can also ledge trump easier with Gale Stab and Reversal Slash. Gale Stab you just run off and side b into the stage and for RS you down b into the stage; both very easy to learn and get down
Greninja can "Hydro Trump" by using his UpB while on stage. Not only does it go super far and fast, but if done well, the windbox from Hydro Pump will push the opponent even farther from the ledge, allowing for better kill power Downside: It's a tricky input, and messing it up means you die, hence why you don't see it used very often
@@vaexsil It can be- He moves so fast in Hydro Pump that you can effectively trump from roll distance on-stage, which can really catch people off guard. Plus, instant ledge trump is harder for Gren, due to his absurd fall speed
In terms of character specific ledge trumps, greninja also has some ledge trump setups with hydro pump and Ganon has some with wiz kick (falcon kick probably works too I’ve just never labbed it). They are a bit finicky to set up but look really cool and catch people off guard because the trump comes from so far away.
if you get a ledge trump as Byleth, fast fall + reverse up B is confirmed which basically guarantees a kill on any character above like 60%, and even earlier for characters with bad recoveries.
hi just to say that you forgot that cloud has an easy ledge trump by running offstage -> instant ub reverse towards the ledge (it's a bit slower than a ledge trump vanilla and that a ledge slip but vanilla ledge trump is so hard to do with cloud and with limit it's almost frame perfect)
Fun fact: bowser also has an easy ledge trump set up. Just down b on the edge while they recover. If you do it early you hit them and sucessfully edgeguard them. But if you hit it just right , you will ledge trump your opponent and can go for a kill cuz you're bowser.
When a character is hard to win with it means that their tools take considerable amount more effort to make effective when compared to other characters, but when executed properly should guarantee wins just like any other high tier. When a character is bad it means that they lose most situations regardless of how well the player of the bad character used their tools
this video is really well made, kept my attention throughout it too, your script writing is really good but my only advice id give is to lower the volume on backround music but otherwise this is really good, you got a lot of potential and i cant wait to see where you can take this. good luck vaexsil
Also on summit 6 Aaron and ACola seemed to only played eachother during squad strike, can you send me the vod of them playing in bracket when ACola switched to Kazuya
You have potential bro. Idk but your voice and the way you talks just feels "RU-vidr" to me. Also nice topic and bcoz of this i watched your prev video too
I really appreciate the nice words man, I really do. It's been my dream since being a kid to be a RU-vidr, so you saying that I sound like one really means a lot! ❤️
Small correction, the community generally considered Banjo Mid Tier, borderline High Tier at release. It took some time till they were labeled as Low Tier. Also can't forget about the Breegull Blaster macro that gives them an infinite. lol
@@vaexsil Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Breegul Blaster cause pressure or cause quick damage. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
@@vaexsil That's because you can't play Banjo like any other DLC character, he can't afford to be aggressive. He has to focus on ether punishing or zoning?? He's up there with Mewtwo as one of the fastest zoners in Smash. As well as one of the few characters with a bury option along with DK, R.O.B, and K Rool.
Believe it or not, I actually do know how to Banjo and Kazooie. They have some strengths and can be pretty explosive sometimes, but everything just isn't enough for him to be considered a good character.
Surprised you didn't mention the rise and fall of ZSS. She went from mid tier, to top tier, to high tier again with her place in the meta falling consistently.
Steve being as powerful as they are is crime only rivaled by Sephiroth not being heavier than he is currently(Sephiroth should be at least a mid weight and at most a heavy weight).
Yeah, his frame data really pushes him back as well imo, combine this with the fact he is hit and run and that he doesn't really have vertical range (besides u-air and u-smash, but this are really committal) he just got done so dirty bro.
