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I talked to the Yamaha guys at InfoComm and asked about a DM5. They asked me if I'd want a DM5 to be a "DM7 minus" or a "DM3 plus". I said DM7 minus. "What would you take away?" I mentioned I didn't need as many channels and mix buses as it has, and they said for the $15k price range I should look at the DM7 Compact. I said I wanted more faders, though, and they asked, "What if you had a DM7 compact plus an external fader bay to plug in?" They also said they had "no information" on a DM5, but also said that Yamaha is not a company to leave a gap in models like that. Depending on what a theoretical DM5 might be, I'd totally snap one up. I've outgrown my M32R, and Midas at NAMM also had "no information" on any updates to the M series.
ive asked this question before to other people with no answers. are the busses configurable however you want? how many subgroups can you have? how many aux sends?
Brother how many subgroups and vca’s can you get on this console? I see every manufacturer saying the total amount of busses they offer that many of them al limited on the specific ones needed like subgroups and vca’s. I know it has 12 matrixes which is cool
I like to ‘flag’ cables also. I run into a lot of cables with barrels of built up tape, hard to remove. Flags are easy to read and quick to remove. Thanks!
We bought one but we don’t think it’s a true replacement for the ql and cl. I think if you need it the pm7 rivage is a better route to go. THE GUI IS SLOW!! When you switch banks it takes awhile for it to switch to the new bank. Last I can’t believe they took out holding select to link channels. Going backward with the heart patch isn’t fun
Thanks Michael for tis wonderful video. 1. Is it better to link DCA to a group of drum channels or drum bus? 2. I use matrices for PA. Do u insert compressor on those matrices or stereo outs? Thanks
My favorites from this that I didn't know: 1. Finally makeup gain in EQ like the old days of LS9!! 2. Monitor section with insertable EQ and source mixing plus interrupt. 3. DANSE(?) processor - followup, is that built into the channel strip or is that an insertable rack thing? 4. 8 band parametric built into every output strip! Looking forward to working on this console. The only thing nobody has seemed to reveal (that I could find) is whether or not you get metrics and control of Shure mics at the channel strip like the QL/CL
I just finished 3 weeks of conferences with the DM7 Compact and 24 channels of Axient Digital wireless. Wow! I absolutely love this desk. Very pricey for my business but so worth having. I’m so happy with my purchase!
Well thank you very much for getting back to me. I can't imagine they didn't keep the ULXD control in the feature set. If you ever come across a definitive answer let me know. Thanks again and best to you
Very informative video, great to see and hear some detail about the channel processing of the desk. However...... "I'm gonna pipe in the stems"........... No, you're not. Stems are tracks that are already grouped into small subsections. If you took the drumkit, or a string section or a brass section or whatever, and premixed the individual channels together to then send them on for further processing as a group, what you then have is a Stem. Here in this video you have individual channels, not stems.
Picked up the DM7 Compact & DM3 Dante this week. Now I need a wave of events to help pay for it all 😮 So far I absolutely love them. I have a client with 3 corporate events over 3 weeks, 24 mics each. This was my excuse to have the Dugan for all of them. Last year was my M32R and 16 Axient Digital. I’m so happy to have the DM7 now!
Just used one for the first time last weekend. Lots of lag, glitching, and the board reset itself while idle. Processing was disappearing and the Rio racks stuck on virtual, despite signal still passing. This was also a replacement board from the company’s original one that would not boot. The reverb “HD” sounds terrible. Luckily they kept RevX. Lastly the wing needs to be IP config’d to match your WiFi access point (why not just have a serial / direct proprietary connection??) that would drop out and disable the whole expansion. Serious firmware revisions need to be made before this is worth the price tag.
If that Round trip latency via USBc is actually that low, that is seriously impressive, but I seriously doubt it. I have to question the quoted times given (~1.5ms round trip). A 64 sample buffer has 1.3ms of latency on it's own. Depending on the software, you might have a buffer for both input and output, making a combined latency of 2.6ms; but let's say for the sake of this argument that your software only has one buffer at 1.3ms (64 samples at 48k). There is still latency in the USB bus itself. Every time I've measured latency on any computer, using any form of USB, it's always added 3-6ms of latency EACH way. The computer itself needs this time to schedule the USB content through the CPU among all the other CPU processes. This is a limitation of the USB interface itself... it is a SERIAL bus meaning it has to wait in line, and can send processes one at a time (oversimplification). It's not a parallel bus that can run multiple processes simultaneously, thereby reducing latency and having smaller buffers (think older firewire). Now there's a lot of questions I have about the implementation of this USB insert path on the DM7. One, is it actually using USB over USBc or is it using thunderbolt over USBc? Thunderbolt over USBc would run faster than USB over USBc. (Keep in mind the USBc is the plug type and not the actual data protocol). If it is using USB over USBc, then is it USB2.0, 3.0, 3.1, etc? All those make a difference in speed and actual measurable latency. I'd be curious to hook a SMAART rig up to a DM7 and pass a channel via the USB insert path to measure the actual, full, round trip latency. I'd be willing to bet that it's probably somewhere in the 12-15ms range total. However, if it's under 10ms RTT, that would be crazy impressive on it's own. A 1.5ms RTT just seems physically impossible with current technology. Edit: So I looked up the DM7 manual. Page 13 says it is USB2.0 over USBc. That's going to put total RTT latency through a normal, modern computer right in that 12-15ms range. Still fine for FOH processing, but still too slow for anything going to monitors, if sending monitor feeds from the same desk.
I agree. 1.3ms is just the latency introduced by 64samples/48kHz native processing. The best interfaces on the market so far are RME that in best case scenarios introduce 3-5ms roundtrip USB latency. Unfortunately I didn't put my hands on a DM7 yet, so I don't know what type of miracle the DM7 USB interface can do. A SUGGESTION: Actually with a very decent (and ventilated - to avoid throttling) laptop and Dante VSC configured at 4ms, I'm obtaining always consistent results for native plugin processing: 1.4-1.7 ms (each way) of Dante latency, going through 1 single switch. Dante latency is always visible through Dante Controller, and I'm running native plugins live through Dante VSC. USB sometimes disconnects the laptop, Dante VSC is way more stable. I have been able to run stable 8-10 channels, with 24 inserted plugins (of which 8 waves tune live) and a couple of reverbs in send return mode.
@@CesareBezzi Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you said, but there is no way that you're getting 1.4-1.7ms each way. You even noted that DVS is set to 4ms. So, one direction of DVS latency is already higher than what you're claiming each way. And that 4ms is each way, so that adds 8ms to anything else in your signal chain (like the program or ASIO buffer, plugin latency, etc.) You need to use a program like SMAART to measure total round trip latency. Apps typically only show a small portion of the total latency chain. To get a complete picture, you have to measure the entire chain from end to end and compare it to a control signal that bypasses the chain.
@@jeff92k7 you did not misunderstand. With DVS 4ms is the lower SETTINGS limit. what is reported by Dante Controller is 4ms OR LESS, but monitoring live packets on the field within the Controller Latency tab, it is consistently less than 2ms (each direction), for a simple 1-switch network topology and a decent pc (recent mac). I didn't measure with smaart, but I've used this setup successfully multiple times. cheers
While I don't totally disagree, I think that with the high channel count over Dante, Yamaha intends for you to record that way for virtual sound check and use the USB interface for low latency plug-ins.
@@EaslerMedia 18/18 still is very low amount for low latency plugins. It's like... 9 stereo effects? So this high-channel count console, that's not much. My Behringer WING can do 16 stereo effects. Do I need those? Probably not. But for the price - that should be available.
@@morsikpl I totally get what you're saying and to do low latency over Dante is not cheap. I have a Digiface Dante but its also a consideration that since everything on Yamaha is Dante, the Dante count does get eaten up quickly. On the flip side, the console does have a pretty huge feature set and a great set of onboard tools so I do think that for me personally that the use of outboard effects will be on the minimal side. That being said, I personally always gravitate towards more flexibility being better. Hard to say why they chose to go that route but I also probably would not have batted an eye if the console had no usb interface at all.
@@EaslerMedia I recently had to mix on DiGiCo 338 because 80 inputs of orchestra and choir was too much for my WING... I was very surprised that it had 64x64 USB interface integrated! :o
I am stoked I love your Yamaha Dm 7 videos I have a Digico SD12 and after watching your video it's making me do the transition to purchase this Yamaha Dm 7 it puts my Digico SD12 to shame.
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The operations are just as natural as what's done on a typical DAW software. Younger sound guys who've grown up in digital era would undoubtedly prefer this desk than the ones with old analog-ish controls e.g. Soundcraft Vi or Midas Pro
The DM7 surface is fantastic. I want that, but don't need 120 channels. Problem with the DM7C and DM3 is not enough faders for me. A DM5 could be interesting.
Hi! Loved these DM7 videos! I’m at a school with an M7CL that’s dying a slow and painful death. Super impressed with the DM7 and seems like a natural progression from the CL/QL. Going to feel like going from steam to internal combustion.
It is not. It is that slow for now. Only real gripe about the desk is the speed of page flips (just the screens though) and the stability, especially in split desk mode. Needs a few firmware updates. That said, I had issues on the QLs when they came out too. It will get there.
You get used to the screen problem but honestly for the price of these consoles they’re built really well. After the whole TF fiasco of consoles, Yamaha came back for redemption. I do hope they add some more stuff to the premium racks but for now I’m well pleased with it.
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