Does the advantage over the datum insert hold for brass that has been fire-formed and then resized? Assuming the shoulder angle of the chamber is correct then a piece of fired brass will have the correct shoulder angle which would be maintained when resizing with the SAC die I am using. If shoulder angle is maintained, then the datum style insert should work well I would think. Am I missing something?
Mike, your example would be a good use for the Datum insert, however I still believe that our standard inserts with the shoulder angle, neck/shoulder radius and neck diameter would give you the best representation of how your brass will interface with your chamber.
The Datum inserts do not have any angled geometry, it is just a straight hole through the body. Also, it would say "D Datum" or whatever size you have. The insert should have engraving on the face to identify it.
I honestly don't see a need to have a datum style gage if your purpose is to resize your brass. I really cannot think of an example where a Datum style gage would give you better results. Espeically if you're trying to measure a 6mm BR brass before fireforming into a 6mm Dasher. Our Headspace gages do an extremely good job with "wildcat" or Ackley cartridges.
The one exception is the Weatherby cartridges with the double radius shoulders. SAC doesn't make a radius shoulder headspace gauge, but the Datum insert works pretty well for me. Other than that, I haven't found the need to use anything but the standard headspace insert. Best tool on the market for headspace. Also fits nicely on their powder funnel, which is a nice bonus...
@@HockeyDad6631 Great response, you are correct that we are not making a double radius insert for the Weatherby cartgridges at this moment. I have considered it and we may still make one.
I agree. I have been waiting for so many months to buy a .240 mandrel. I have been looking for the better part of a year and the small for caliber sizes are NEVER in. I love the die but if there is no support for upgrades for a modular die after your purchase, one might be better served somewhere else.
Guys I hear you loud and clear. I'm in the process of testing a new decapping pin Expander Mandrel system that has a replaceable decapping pin as part of the assembly. One of the biggest issues we are having besides our supplier ability to deliver on time is having so many SKU's. Right now we have to have a .2400" Small, .2400" Small Medium, and a .2400" Medium. This new system will allow us to just have one .2400" Carbide Expander with a replaceable Decapping Pin in any length we need it to be. So we can order one SKU, then just install the appropriate length decapping pin.
@@ShortActionCustomsWe can wait. Better to have a solid finished product than a rushed one. I waited a while for my 2 headspace comparators..I didnt die or suffer any mental breakdowns in the process. Keep up the quality products.
Because I have the brass in front of me, lets use a 6.5 Creedmoor and 308 Winchester. Yes, the die will size all the way down to and past the to of the extractor groove geometry. We have noticed that what brass measures really doesn't match up that great to SAAMI cartridge dimensions. So without grabbing specific cartridges and measuring them individually, I cannot speak for all.
I usually just grab the exposed base of the case with some channel lock type grips or similar and with the die secured in a vice slowly twist back and forth while maintaining pressure pulling away from the die. The case will be chewed up / toast but drilling it out and tapping a hole has the same effect. If it's real tight you could lightly tap on the channel locks on the side to help get the case to move out as you twist back and forth but I have never had to do that. YMMV.
I've had 2-3 stuck cases in 30 years of reloading. I have a stainless rod slightly smaller than the case neck hole. With the die in the press and the ram down I have always inserted the rod through the otherwise open die assembly and tapped the top of the rod until the case fell out. My question is....does this risk damage to a die securely locked into the press? I have used said dies after this occurred and don't seem to have a problem. It seems easier than the drill, tap and screw extract method. Thanks
Spray ether in the case from the top. Ether evaporates quickly (and provides a very thin “upper cylinder lubricant”) and because of the difference in expansion/contraction rate of brass, it’ll shrink the case.
Im a big fan of the Lyman remover. Well worth the money. Ive only stuck one case since I bought it. Before that? I used a 1/4-20 tap, bolt and nut, a washer and a socket.
@@ShortActionCustoms The Lyman kit still has you thread the primer pocket and web, but you pull using the treads on the die instead of turning a relatively small 1/4-20 cap screw or bolt. Just seems a bit stronger and less likely to strip or pull out.
@@joepriebe6068 I bought the kit mostly because I wanted something on my bench that has all the parts and pieces needed without having to chase around the shop to find everything.
I typically do it in a lathe and it is a bit quicker, but this style extractor works really well. I don' think I have ever had any issues removing a stuck case with this method. Is there a different method that you would like us to try or look into?
Recently bought one 2 weeks ago and it did not come with the center bolt you demonstrated. I feel this would be super simple to include for $300, right?
Thank you for business and for taking the time to comment. Currently the price of our Final Scope Level is $200, but it will be increasing to $250. We do not include the 3/8 x 24 Hex bolt with the kit because the 3/8 x 24 Hex Bolt is only used when customers are installing them on the SAC Multi-Base. We have a hardware kit that we sell that includes the appropriate 3/8 x 24 bolt and other mounting hardware, but again it is sold when the customer is also buying the SAC Multi-Base. If you were looking to source the bolt locally, it would be a 3/8 x 24 Hex Bolt with 1.5" long threads. (www.mcmaster.com/92865A219/).
@@ShortActionCustoms Thanks. Can you post the link to your 'hardware kit?' Tried searching on the site, didn't see it. I have two SAC Multi-Base (which is awesome, btw).
Thank you for the question. I have no issues with doing a bushings for it. To be honest, I don't know what the dimensions are, so I would need to get my hands on dimensions, or some of the barrel contours to make some matching bushings. If you have any information you would like to share, we would love to help. E-mail us at Info@shortactioncustoms.com.
just discovered you....great video i will be watching more....just bought this optic for my berg b14 hmr....i have the mil version.....hard to tell these days bc most ppl will say a piece of shit is a diamond if everyone else says it or if they are trying to gain or keep a sponser
Guys, should the bushing have a gap (play) inside the matrix, as is done on other matrices during adjustment? Or is it installed without free play? Thanks a lot for reply
You say the bushings are designed to have a bit of play, but you fully tighten down the cap at 4:30. Wouldn't you need to back out the cap a fraction of a turn for the bushing to be able to float?
With the tapered design on the inside of the die. There is .005" of float built into the die, so no matter how hard you tighten the top cap down, there will always be float.
I hear you, but with the "Solo-Loc Ring" you can access the lock screw to loosen the "Solo Loc-Ring" and make really precise die adjustments without removing the die from the press. I think you would find it easy and precise. We do have a few different thickness in our "Cam Over Blocks", but we were not planning on selling them as an accessory. E-mail us at Info@shortactioncustoms.com for more information.
Is this repeatable when changing from one cartridge to the next? You talk about getting the internal thread stop "almost flush," and rezeroing the micrometer, and making multiple turns of the micrometer. Would I be able to go from 6.5 Grendel to .308 Winchester, for example, by just swapping parts and dialing the micrometer to a recorded setting without the trial and error process of seating a bullet, measuring and making corrections to the micrometer every time I change cartridges?
How does the expander mandrel relate to the sizing process? Do you remove the neck bushing and replace with the expander mandrel to use in a second pass after full body sizing?
You Full length size on the upstroke and mandrel on the downstroke. Everything is done in was process. Once you reach the top of the stroke and start the down stroke your piece of brass is supported in the neck / shoulder bushing and immediately hands off to the expander mandrel, allow the case to be supported through the mandrel process to prevent the introduction of run out. Hope this helps!
One feature I would like to see is a case kicker. I am perplexed why there aren't more presses on the market with an ejection system built in or as an accessory. Having the ability to automatically eject a case at the top of the stroke makes a huge difference in time and convenience when doing large volume mundane tasks like depriming and sizing.
@@ShortActionCustoms I appreciate the quick response… I assume I would just have to use a factory crimp die after using the seating die… does that sound correct? Sorry I’m a newbie
I am a bit confused on the press / Die interface.I see in the video using black interface, but on the website the interface is orange. I like the pop of color. I wish the website was easier to navigate. I would like to get your press... just scared the day I order it you guy will announce another one with even better features. If I pre-order, do I get charged right away or when it actually ships? It should come with a cover like the 1st Zero's did.
Slightly confused by what you are asking. Are you referring to the die lock rings? The press utilizes whatever lockring you would like . Odd that you think we are going to make another press, when we just released this one, so we can assure you that isn't happening. Press will come with 4 shell holders #1, #10, #6, and #35. Primer drop tube solo loc ring mounting hardware. It will not come with a cover.
This is my question. Assuming I can’t use my 1 1/4 dies ;( If it could eventually accept them, I would’ve already ordered….but sounds like their incompatible with them 😢
