Personaly it bother me a bit that as a "how Snowgrave should have continued" it change of all to all, in a other ending than the Snowgrave it would be justified but here it feel not right Noelle just totaly forgot that we pushed her to the edge for our desire, the creepy voice and she litterally just commited a freaking genocide and she knows is not a dream Worse, she's glad that Berdly is dead ? It dosen't feel like what Noelle would say to an childhood friend even if he's annoying It make it right something that shouldn't be Well it's just my mind
Their interactions are pretty fun. And if you ask me, Noelle gives the most insight what Kris is/was like when not under the influence of player control.
It was definitely a shock to me and everyone else in the community that it existed to begin with, considering chapter 1 was so tame, and "genocide" route was nonexistent. But it all changed in chapter 2 with snowgrave - it's fun! And I'm glad Toby bothered to add it to begin with. I wonder how he'll have to expand on it in chapter 3 and onward.
First time watching but I skip to the end. Me: Awww Kris and Noelle are cuddling, that's cute. This time I actually watched the whole video. Me: Someone get Kris away from Noelle!
I understand the apel of this, but it would be better presented as an au instead of "what the snowgrave route should be", the snowgrave route is meant to be like deltarunes version of the genocide route, killing everything just to fulfill your own curiosity, to see what happens, so trying to present it as happy comes off very unnerving, and even if that was intentional, most people wouldn't get that with your method of Presidentaion, also kris uses they/them pronouns so try to use those in any future deltarune related content
I'm seeing people in the comments saying this is a strangely good ending for Snowgrave but, if anything I feel like this is worse for one reason. This feels like a nod to Stockholm syndrome. I have no clue if that was intended or not, but if it was, great job making something that somehow feels darker than Snowgrave.
I think that was the intention of snowgrave to begin with - Kris manipulating Noelle, so I merely expanded on the concept/route. Whether it's good or bad, I left it up to the viewers interpretation.
Because core gameplay never changed, they nerfed even more perks on both sides. Competitive dbd is more than prevalent today than it ever was. Bhvr refuses to address core problems and continues to add skins people whale on. It's all disgusting.
I always liked seeing cheery music in terrifying scenarios, it makes it feel like the content is telling you nothing is wrong, despite everything being wrong
Imagine just Noelle talking to kris and Susie for chapter 4 in this case, just a ending that has: Chapter 1: Murder. Chapter 2: Snowgrave/Hypothermia Ending Chapter 3: “ Catsnatch “ Edning (Catti & Jockington told.) Chapter 4: Snowgrave. (AGAIN, + Catti, I feel like Jockington will be sick.) Chapter 5: dunno. Chapter 6: dunno. chapter 7: dunno.
In deltarune there are chapter 2 there are 3 possibilities for youre route : Haha! I like to harm people ans see them flee! This citzens will have good rest in the casgle town... a good ending! Haha! I like to freeze people to death! ((No ones looking)) (Its my time to grow BIG)
Alternatively stop playing and play a better game - like Cote suggested. Playing dbd is suffering, especially as a killer. Imo, dbd is just one big social experiment.
To be honest, i can appreciate any type of hard work (specially with how you took more than a month to complete this) but GOD this completely misses the point of snowgrave and misrepresents both kris and noelle's character. The literal point of snowgrave is that you are actively manipulating a teenager to freeze people to death because of "oh its a dream nvm that" logic through kris's past friendship with noelle all while she suffers from the weight of her actions and uncertainty of what is right or wrong in the situation: "should she follow kris's commands? she's getting stronger and surely kris has a good reason right??" all the while you know its all the player's (you) fault for forcing her to do what you want for nothing more than curiosity and being disgusted by the obvious messed up romantic subtext is what creates all snowgrave is all about. It's a horrible route you take to make noelle stronger and grow closer to her at the cost of her growing numb and ruining the world around and any chance you have at a good ending. Now THIS? it absolutely throws all that out of the window for a route that is mostly snowgrave with worse dialogue, takes out all the horror aspect, destroy's kris's agency seeing that he doesn't even rip out his soul (presumably because he was satisfied with the outcome, which is SO out of character and just does not make sense since he knows hes being controlled like a puppet to force teenagers to kill people they know) and makes noelle start liking what they're doing WAY earlier on (hell even in the end shes still creeped out by kris and runs away at the hospital as well as snapping out to warn berdly), and its all for a "oh i feel so well when im near you! i hated berdly im glad we killed one of our classmates and also former friend! can i come over?? tell me all about the dark worldz!!!!" end where everyone is happy for no reason and it just feels like it exists to satiate some guy's lustful urges.
Yeah no, this was 100% made to satisfy some guy’s degenerate mind break fantasy with Noelle, made with zero respect to Deltarune’s actual message and story. I remember I watched this a long time ago, but I can’t even remember if I watched the entire thing expect probably the ending because of how bad/weird it was, especially with how the comments are mostly in support of this, since this video mainly attracts the weird Kriselle/4chan side of the fandom. All the characters are so abhorrently out of character, it misses the entire point of the Snowgrave Route, and is kinda just a worse version of the Salt Route but with Noelle instead (which I guess would just be Snowgrave, but you get my point). The editing isn’t even that bad, but it’s so strange to me how the channel who uploaded this just kinda disappeared from Deltarune after this. It all seems so uncanny to me, along in the TeddyLoid music too. What creeps me out most about this video is it seems like it was made with 100% sincerity, like it was made completely unironically.
@@cloudirubez07 Exactly bruh, how someone would reach these levels of unhinged is beyond me, cuz even if you're like a 2016 undertale kid you just CANNOT reach these levels of misinterpreting the source material and thinking one of the most horrible things you can do to a teenager is just "hee hee! im so quirky! kris i lov you can me come over!?!??!?! i hated that berdly!@!!! it's so nice that you made me kill people!". I just... cant wrap my head around the fact that this guy thinks THIS thing is what snowgrave should have been or should continue.
Kris and Noelle just seem right for each other... I know Susie goes through some character development in chapter 1 and become nice but what if she didn't, I'd imagine the relationship between Susie and Noelle would be kinda toxic given Susie's bullying attitude and Noelle's caring for others ESPECIALLY Kris who gets the worst of Susie's bullying. I see Kriselle as the ship that makes more sense given Kris and Noelle's history.
@@Tikondrys Even though like... Dess did kinda... *ahem* ... disappeared and Kris started getting possessed HOWEVER, I do see these experiences as a way to connect and bond, even if it's trauma bonding. Kris would be a good boyfriend, especially since most girls like skinny emo boys lol. (*Ahem* ... my girlfriend especially lol...)
@@NickFunkin-9228 Kris wasn't involved in Dess disappearance if that's what you're implying. But yeah, that's what I had in mind also when making the video - people bond over various things, be it happy, sad or tragic events in their lives. I definitely can see Kris and Noelle making up and spending more time together. That being said I'm sure that Dess will appear in further chapters, it's not an opportunity I'd waste if I were Toby.
Not gonna lie... I started tearing and then bursting into tears the moment reunited started playing near the end... thst song holds a special place in my heart especially after beating Undertale fir the first time... so many laughs and smiles spent with Sans and Papyrus... vibing out to Undyne's battle theme... having it here just makes me happier and more nostalgic... thank you.
You're very much welcome, and thank you for enjoying the video so much. When I was making the video I also teared up on that moment. I'm really happy how it all turned out.
@@NickFunkin-9228 Thanks for the compliment! I had some plans to make a follow up to that but ultimately scrapped it - it would be something along the lines of the player's soul alongside Noelle fighting Kris and his party like this. imgur.com/a/jEhf0db At the time, I don't have any plans to do another one of these, but maybe chapter 3 will give me some inspiration, who knows? I want to know how Toby will handle the followup to snowgrave.
