Why those. I agree with Ballade no 4 being there, I agree thats the hardest ballade among the 4. I would disagree with the Nocturne, Preludes and Etudes op 10 no 1 and no 2. I agree that op 25 no 6 is among the hardest etudes. There are much harder pieces than op 10 no1 and 2 like Op 25 no 11(Winter Wind), op 10 no 4(Torrent Etude), op 25 no 10(Octaves) op 10 no5(Black Keys), Ocean(op 25 no 12), All the 4 Scherzos, 4 Ballades, 4 Impromptus, Fantasy in F minor op 49, Barcarolle op 60, Polonaises op 61, op 22, op 53, op 44, All the Sonatas.
Op 10/1, 10/2, and 25/6 are widely regarded as being the hardest etudes, especially 10/2 and 25/6, and 10/1 being called the hardest by none other than Vladimir Horowitz. Ask some 100 university level or higher pianists on some perspective and I bet 90 or more of them will mention these etudes:)
I can agree with a lot of these. However, just wondering why is op 14 no1 , op 14 no 2, op 2 no1, op 10 no1 and op 10 no 2 in Painless. I would actually put these in the Same category with Pathetique and Moonlight in Advanced. You do realise that Op 49 no 2 is like Grade 6 Level. Op 79 is like Grade 8 level. And then all those I mentioned above are ARSM Level and found in the Associate Diplomas like Pathetique and Moonlight. So these ones I mentioned in particular are significantly harder than op 49 no1, no 2 and op 79 so I hope you understand why I think those should be in the second Category. I also think Les Adieux should be in the last category, In ABRSM this is both LRSM and FRSM.
Did you get to learn and perform both op.111 and Hammerklavier in a concert? I have, and it is simply unth8nkable that you would put Hammerklavier before op.111. To me, op.111 was a breeze compared to Hammerklavier in terms of learning time and preparation for actual recitals. So either you never learned and performed both, or you are just delusional.
I have in fact performed both, on multiple occasions. Speaking of "learned"; have you learned any manners, and that opinions are subjective? This video is a subjective opinion, as there is no plausible, truly objective way to rank sonatas by difficulty. "Oh but it has more structure, it's longer, more complex"... all good and dandy, still subjective to rank them. I argue the interpretative difficulty of the second movement of 111 is immense, so much so that performers like Paul Badura Skoda have expressed their hesitation to perform it at times. That's why this video is for ENTERTAINMENT purposes. If you don't understand this, and think that somehow your opinion is more valuable than someone else's, I'm afraid you're the delusional one. Have a great day!
@PianoTechSupport it seems you are indeed delusional by putting words into other people's mouths by saying that somehow other people think that their opinion is more valuable than yours. What a narcissistic way of thinking. If you did not want any such comment to be made for your little "subjective" video, you shouldn't have made it in the first place, since your words and your actions don't match. If you wish others to have "humor" about your "useless" video, then you too, should allow the humor for other people's comments...unless of course, you are indeed a narcissist.
Hi Raul, there was no messing up here, this is my version and opinion. Feel free to post your own ranking video and you'll see people will tell you that you've messed up too. There's no perfect ranking.
No matter why Henle have a 'Beethoven - five famous Piano Sonatas' edition. It includes Op 13, 26, 27-2,28, 31-2 that's all in your advanced cataloge. I have this book, I was hoping to buy this for a lighter bundle (I really don't want to buy them in seperate edition but this 5 bundle are already almost 2/3 of thickness of full edition of book 1 or 2.
Thank you for the suggestions. It would be great if these can be demonstrated on a scale with sharps or flats as they are more challenging than C major.
I loved this video, and I wanted to introduce my favourite fingering of chromatic scales also. I believe this Liszt's innovative fingering, as it was indicated so in Chasse-Neige's chromatic scale part. Right hand: 2345 123 1234 12 It's actually unnatural to start from C, let's move it 1 back to B. Then it becomes: 12345 123 1234 So you just repeat this. Left hand when starting from C: 1 54321 4321 32 Again, it's not natural to start from C. Move one up to C#. 54321 4321 321 I used this fingering for the left hand during the polyrhythm section of Chasse-Neige when left hand had a few runs while the right hand has melody and tremolo. C# to F natural 54321, F sharp and G natural 43, and it skips to A natural so I play 1, and reverse.
My go to fingering: RH starting on B ascending, 123451231234. Every octave the uses the same fingering - which is useful. Left hand is just the mirror image fingering. When I was younger, my teacher gave me a fingering that blew my mind. Essentially, it was the standard alternating 1s and 3s, however when descending in the right hand, the "3,2,1's" were placed on B, Bb,A and E,Eb,D as opposed to where the two white notes run consecutively.
Probably controversial, but i find op 79 harder than the pathetique (I’ve played both) because even though it is shorter and what not it is bloody uncomfortable to play, and the 3rd mov has some really annoying bits that i dont see as much in the pathetique
Opus 111 as the pinnacle in your opinion, does actually make sense... it's c minor, we know what that means coming from him... that's Beethoven's way of signaling to a fellow musician that it's really personal, which means many stormy twists and turns as a way of him expressing his most personal stuff in the only way he had left to him..
Op 90 should be level 2, (difficulty 1)..... not difficult at all. HammerKlavier should be the hardest. Actually 111 is technically easy, what makes it impossible is the musical content,
Don't under-estimate Op 49. I had attended a concert and a good pianist (i guess without much preparation) decided to play one of them as an encore...... and had a memory lapse, and subsequently, is a series of mistakes after mistakes..... It is simple (no doubt about it), but to play it without preparation can be tricky too.
@@PianoTechSupport i agree. But this is not the first time i see pianist playing something (relatively) unprepared, thinking it is a very easy piece....... Even Yundi Li had big disaster on Chopin Op11 in Seoul (and not just there), he must have played it more than 1000 times......
Ive been dabbling in piano all my life and haphazardly got to basically an early intermediate level, henle 5s and 4s. But jazz piano lol. So see I figured if progressive overload is good enough in the gym its probably good enough for piano too. So I set about actually trying to get better seriously for the first time in my pianistic career and well a couple months later im almost done with a decent sounding nocturne 55/1 and bach 2 part invention 13. The bach is only a henle 4 but honestly no joke over the month I learned it I think it literally leveled up my technique, powerful piece. Now im pushing into henle 6 territory and beyond
