In patch 14.20, Collector and Yun Tal will cost now 2950 gold both but with the following nerf : Collector -> 60 to 50 Yun Tal -> 65 to 60 AD passiv dmg decrease 70 to 60 What are your thoughs abt it ? On top of that, really nice video bro, do you mind if I use it to explain my french followers about how to build Aphelios for this patch?😊
The build I go for is Infinity to Phantom Dancer or LDR then the other followed by Shieldbow and the last slot is whatever seems good at the moment. Plus berserk shoes usually
Hey Daynean mind explaining why AS is bad on aphel? You said zeal items aren't recommended but can be build if MS needed. I'm asking myself if runaan couldn't be an option?
I think Yun Tal seems like a bait item because of the conditions for it to proc. You need to have enough crit in order to make it work, but buying it later as third or fourth item feels terrible, as the dot is insignificant at that stage. I think an argument can be made for it as second item after IE. The dmg really isnt all that different against tankier comps with IE LDR. IE into YTW followed by either LDR/MR for penetration and then BT or Shieldbow in either order is a pretty strong build where you use most items at their respective optimal times
Have you tried any opportunity builds? Similar stats to ghostblade, less out of combat ms but more in combat ms. Been trying it out lately and its been feeling pretty good
I absolutely agree with you. IE best first items so far. Sometimes when game goes late and I have enough money I will just buy runaan. It definetely helps with 1v9, and some waveclearing when comeback is needed
I build Hubris first item for Aphel rn, into standard crit build which is LDR IE Shieldbow BT. Hubris's stats and price is good early game and the bonus AD on take down scales pretty good late game too. LT damage scales off attack speed and Aphel doesn't build attack speed
I was waiting this video for a bit of hope, but we came to the same conclusion anyway. I personaly like to go with the other rune (cash back i think in english) I do 3 crit item + boots rank 1 and then i use the cash back monney to buy the zephire (its a legendary 3100 gold item, so 186 cash back) i also use triomph for 200 to 700 gold/game and if i need a spike for a fight i can use the cash back gold to buy a red pot and have a situational gatherim storm.
collector is very good for snowballing and has that kind of dmg impact no other item has. also good for kill secure and you're just shredding people with 3 items including collector
@@HorusPrimarch This is insane cope. You are delaying your spikes for an extremely mid passive and half passable stats in lane. Also no tf you are not shredding anyone with collector unless they have no armor whatsoever.
IK ur insane at this champ, but i have a lot of success using this build: Collector + IE + LDR. IK also that ur rly high elo so everything should be as close to optimal as possible, but at least i am able to win my emerald games with it. I was also surprised that statick is an option, def would try it
The problem with it is how painfully pricy this build is. You start with a 3400 gold item into a 3600 one. Although it does have the advantage of having dirk in the components; it doesn't level up. It lost the 2 lethality on upgrade and also lost AD for MORE PRICE. Holding onto this build requires good farm and a good lane; if you are put behind, you simply can't build and will take long to reache a spike; this kind of pressure and tempo is valued in higher elos the more you climb. With that said tho, all the ADC items are mid at best right now, so thats why lethality Aphelios is reviving. Aleksis had already covered the lethality start LAST SPLIT, and it now looks more promising that ever, lol.
@@nathanmello4407you do know that every other item has been patched aswell right? this means every other item is also more expensive. so it doesn't matter if collector and IE cost more. it's still the same game, same outcome
@@HorusPrimarch - Not quite, because in some cases even with value put up; the gold efficiency doesn't go down that much. Collector increased 200 gold in price to lose AD and lethality; IE increased 200 gold to lose 10 AD. Youmuu's, for example, increased just 100 in gold for the active to be nerfed only to meeles; changed, but still good. The total outcome of the price of Collector and IE increased significantly and adds a whole 400 gold for you to have both items; as Daynean himself said, there are situations that IE first isn't going to be that good because if you are gatted from farming, you should go something else because if you try and bruteforce building IE you will have no item, no spike, be useless and won't be able to contest farm. "All items being nerfed" does not mean that all of them were nerfed equally. This is a big difference; which is why Aphelios is in a tight situation regarding itemization right now mainly on his first item, and he isn't the only one.
i don’t even tell other adc players that they’re building like shit, let them spend 3400 gold for 60 ad, 10 (TEN???) lethality and 25 crit. compared to yomuus which is 600 less gold and gives 8 more lethality and the same amount of ad
vídeo maneiro, acho que yun tal talvez nem seja tão ruim, mas ter gume e cutheal é tão roubado que nem precisa de mais nada, ainda gosto da runa azul de secundária, estacar o máximo de ad possível e poxa, acho que você se enganou a respeito do lethal tempo, de fato PTA faz muita falta na lane, mas o quanto o lethal tempo amplifica o dano do aphelios a partir dos 15min é brincadeira
well all i can say that in this patch lethality phel is back for the reason of price and dmg. Let's do some math when u building IE first you're doing around 400 crit dmg but cuz of cost and early proccess of earning gold are not great..... i started to build yommu and collector for dmg also cuz of price and stats and i'm very okay with that cuz now with pta and not relying on early crits i' winning like 80% of all duels and teamfights (Master tier btw) mb i'm absolutely wrong and i'll be happy if someone share with their opinion but i would say that IE is bad but still is very important item
great advice, very concise. i have a question tho, why put 3 in q then max e? aleksis, SA phel demon thinks yomus and emax from start are best, almost true dmg at one item. is 3 points in q just for better minion last hits?
Not really for the minion last hits no, I'm just not a big fan of committing so many points this early into Lethality while not knowing how the early game as a whole is gonna play out. Say i put 3 points into E right away, but we end up losing botside minute 7-12' or sth, those points in lethality might mess you up because lethality as a whole is pretty meh if you're already losing. Early points in E mean you have to delay points into Q/W by a couple levels which can mess up your scaling by quite a bit in my experience where you might need Attackspeed from your passive but can't get it fast enough. I'm generally not a fan of early points into E levels 1-3 because of that, cuz the advantage you gain is kinda minimal compared to the potential setback. Not sure if I'm explaining this in a way that makes sense, but hope this helps somehow :>
