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@Pooter-it4yg
@Pooter-it4yg Месяц назад
I'm no slouch on reasonable pure mathematics, but I can't claim to be an explorer of the outer edges. So I have a question. Aside from perhaps a few instances of simplified notation, are there any applied uses for tetration? Or theoretically, quadration, pentration, sextration, etc? Not that I'm dismissing the field - there is validity in considering the nature of iteration of iteration. I'm just curious to know.
@CringeLifeStyle
@CringeLifeStyle Месяц назад
I kept getting confused as to how 2 to 3 tetrated = 16 then how 2 to 4 tetrated was 65536 but after watching this I gained the proper knowledge on how to preform the function, by simply going down the tower of power I go say 2^2 (for the very top being used to use exponentiation the part of the tower 1 down ) which is 4 then it goes down to next 2 making it 2^4 which is 16 then since no part of the tower remains its just the original value of 2^16 which = 65536, god I love when I finally understand math :D
@pentalogue_trialogue
@pentalogue_trialogue Месяц назад
4 + 2.5 = 4 + (1 + 1 + 0.5) Integers or natural numbers (mostly) 4 × 2.5 = 4 + 4 + (4 × 0.5) Integers or rational numbers (mostly) 4 ^ 2.5 = 4 × 4 × (4 ^ 0.5) Rational or irrational numbers (mostly) 4 ^^ 2.5 = 4 ^ (4 ^ (4 ^^ 0.5)) Irrational or transcendental numbers (mostly)
@heathertilton3056
@heathertilton3056 3 месяца назад
2³=2×2×2=2×4=2+2+2+2+2+2=8
@lexmolasko
@lexmolasko 3 месяца назад
I do thought of repeated exponentiation
@echoliang69
@echoliang69 3 месяца назад
After watching some videos, I will try to explain 7 growing levels of making a number bigger. If the explanations aren’t clear, I’m sorry, as I’m only a Gr. 5 student, and I’m only doing this out of boredom. Here are the levels: 1. Succesion 2. Addition 3. Multiplication 4. Exponentiation 5. Tetration 6. Pentation 7. Hexation 1. Succesion is basically adding 1 to the number, which we will set as A, pretty simple. So if A was 1, then Succesion would simply add 1 to it, therefore the equation would be: 1+1, which equals 2. 2. Addition is repeated Succession. It is adding A and B together, which could also be written as adding 1 to A a B amount of times. 3. Multiplication is repeated edition. It is adding A to B, a C amount of times. 4. Exponentiation is repeated Multiplication. It’s multiplying the answer of A times B, a C amount of times. 5. Tetration is repeated Exponentiation. It is exponentiating A to B, a C amount of times. 6. Pentration is repeated Tetration. It is tetrating A to B, a C amount of times. 7. Hexation is repeated Pentration. It is pentrating A to B, a C amount of times. Hopefully that made sense, and keep in mind I’m only in Gr. 5.
@falafel_83
@falafel_83 5 месяцев назад
I really hope that all the mathetmaticians agree on expanding this marvellous monster operation and getting inspiration from this video! Congrats for this great video! 👏👏👏
@moonyl5341
@moonyl5341 5 месяцев назад
could you do ⁻²x with complex numbers?
@Ostup_Burtik
@Ostup_Burtik 4 месяца назад
x^^-2 is -∞, because ln(0)=-∞
@Ostup_Burtik
@Ostup_Burtik 5 месяцев назад
20:05 20:05 20:05
@AnCoSt1
@AnCoSt1 6 месяцев назад
Very cool video - well done!
@famerzmusicaudio
@famerzmusicaudio 6 месяцев назад
16:14 ln0 or log0 can be intended as -infinity or a expansion for 3d complex numbers since with complex numbers we cant calculate it.
@tuanhyonguyen7144
@tuanhyonguyen7144 7 месяцев назад
Can you do pentation pls? Idk anything about pentation
@eastherwilson9356
@eastherwilson9356 7 месяцев назад
In exponentiation positive power shows multiplication and negative power shows division. opposite of positive is negative just like opposite of multiplication is division , so In Tetration positive power shows exponentiation and negative power shows logarithm(log)
@user-sq4wo7ml8r
@user-sq4wo7ml8r 7 месяцев назад
I just wrote "Beyond tetration: a pentation investigation" on the search box...
@sahilhossain8204
@sahilhossain8204 8 месяцев назад
Lore of Beyond Exponentiation: A Tetration Investigation momentum 100
@Chewwy-bwossom
@Chewwy-bwossom 8 месяцев назад
Tetration and also pentation and hexation too are wonderful things. Unfortunately, the numbers they create are way too big
@user-uq2dq2co4m
@user-uq2dq2co4m 8 месяцев назад
A closed form solution of x^x=e is x=e^W(1) ~ 1.76322
@Questiala124
@Questiala124 8 месяцев назад
5:22 I haven’t watched the video Ye this but I already know a short way. I start with the example x tetrated by 3, this is he same as x to the x to the x. In general x tetrated by n is x to the x n/2 times. now I’ll take the natural log of x tetrated to 3, this is the same as the natural log of x to the x to the x. We multiply the powers to get the natural log of x to the x times x, which is the same as the natural log of x to the x squared. Now a property of logarithms is that the log (including natural log) of x to some power is the number in the exponent section times the log of x. So we fix our equation as x squared times the natural log of x. In our equation we can now say x tetrated to n is the same as x to the n-1 time the natural log of x. And it’s reasonable (and true) to assume this works for all numbers. Therefore we just take e to the power of this formula and we have an equation for tetration.
@damonpalovaara4211
@damonpalovaara4211 9 месяцев назад
A linear regression using newtons method would be much quicker and is probably simpler to program. However it's not as fancy as your solution
@RikardoAHP
@RikardoAHP 9 месяцев назад
Why is tetration 2^(2^2) and not (2^2)^2 ? The latter would make more sense to me in the sense of hyperoperations, any insights would be helpful. Thanks!
@denizkirbiyik9221
@denizkirbiyik9221 8 месяцев назад
Exponents are always done first due to the order of operations, so you have to start at the top.
@johttacusj.j.begallo1432
@johttacusj.j.begallo1432 7 месяцев назад
They are two different operations. 2^(2^2) is right tetration while (2^2)^2 is left tetration. Standard tetration was defined to be made on the right because of exponentiation notation 2^2^2 = 2^(2^2).
@VitalayManin
@VitalayManin 9 месяцев назад
кто решит дам 1 ТРЛН Рублей: Решай со мной (1+1/x)^x =3 Чему равен Х
@alejandrovallejo4330
@alejandrovallejo4330 9 месяцев назад
This is all fine and dandy, but how do you call repeated tetration?
@asheep7797
@asheep7797 8 месяцев назад
Pentation, Hexation, Heptation, Octation, Nonation... You can see the pattern.
@denizkirbiyik9221
@denizkirbiyik9221 8 месяцев назад
Pentation
@Games83642
@Games83642 9 месяцев назад
Do yo need to do this complex math? I literally found the 1/2th tetration of 3 with the help of chatgpt.
@denizkirbiyik9221
@denizkirbiyik9221 8 месяцев назад
ChatGPT cannot do this. ChatGPT fails at basic algebra and calculus.
@Games83642
@Games83642 8 месяцев назад
@@denizkirbiyik9221 Well if you ask it directly it won't be able to do it, you just gotta break it down a little.
@epicperson-od2hy
@epicperson-od2hy 5 месяцев назад
What value did ChatGPT give you? Using the method in the video I got approximately 1.7068.
@SKT_Playz
@SKT_Playz 9 месяцев назад
Can you do the same video to Pentation ? Like using Real Numbers in Pentation
@CodeBlueWiki
@CodeBlueWiki 9 месяцев назад
Can you do tetration tower like ³ ³ 3 Or Pentation 3 ³
@sergelysak
@sergelysak 9 месяцев назад
@14:46 I don't see how you can get 5a(x) and not 6a(x). If 3a(x) = a(a(a(x))), then 2a(3a(x)) = 2a( a(a(a(x))) ) = a(a(a( a(a(a(x))) ))) = 6a(x)
@sans1331
@sans1331 4 месяца назад
i mean he’s basing it off a different rule he found earlier in the video, that being ma(na(x))=(m+n)a(x) therefore making 2a(3a(x))=5a(x)
@KTS137
@KTS137 9 месяцев назад
We cant go further to the negative number tetrations ? That was my doubt brother. Also you are absolute genius because you are the only one ive seen do it in this huge platform bro , you deserve more support , thank you man!
@Farzriyaz
@Farzriyaz 8 месяцев назад
Actually, there are 2 ways to tetrate with negative number exponents, using either opposite of exponentiation.
@csehszlovakze
@csehszlovakze 9 месяцев назад
I can't even begin to wonder what a complex tetration would look like
@ToanPham-wr7xe
@ToanPham-wr7xe 9 месяцев назад
😮
@callmespork3082
@callmespork3082 9 месяцев назад
Interesting!
@VladVideos0
@VladVideos0 9 месяцев назад
ⁿn or n^^n=n^^^2
@jamesburrelljr.8561
@jamesburrelljr.8561 9 месяцев назад
Sorry its too much algebra.😕
@aloismelichar815
@aloismelichar815 9 месяцев назад
Why do you set the coefficients of the different powers of x to 1, 1 and 1/2 at 20:33?
@oaardvqrk5965
@oaardvqrk5965 9 месяцев назад
I feel like tetration would be more useful in a 4-dimensional universe
@ryanman0083
@ryanman0083 9 месяцев назад
Real numbers can be defined with super Logarithm (inverse of Tetration) By definition sLog2 (2^^3) = 3 NOTE: "sLog" is a notation for super Logarithm. Like how Logarithm cancels the base leaving the exponent ex. Log2 (2^3) = 3 super Logarithm does the same with Tetration leaving the super power. We can use super Logarithm to solve non integer super powers since super Logarithm is repeated Logarithm by definition. Let's let sLog2 (16) = 3+x Where 0 ≤ x < 1 (represents a 0 or decimal) sLog2 (2^^3) = sLog2 (2^2^2) => Log2(2^2^2) = 2^2 => Log2(2^2) = 2 =>Log2(2) = 1 At this point we've taken three logs representing our integer part of the solution (given by the fact that the answer is equal to 1). We just take log again for the decimal x (the remainder of 2's that we need.) Log2 (1) = 0 Thus sLog2 (16) = 3+0 = 3 Well let's look at what happens when we go backwards through the same process to see what happens to the remainder. Log2 (Log2 (Log2 (Log2 (16)))) = 0 Log2 (Log2 (Log2 (16))) = 2^0 Log2 (Log2 (16)) = 2^2^0 Log2 (16) = 2^2^2^0 16 = 2^2^2^2^0 = 2^2^2 = 2^^(3+0) The remainder adds an extra '2' to the top of the power tower and the additional 2 is raised to the power of the remainder For 0 ≤ x ≤ 1 By definition sLog a(a^^3+x) => a^a^a^a^x By definition of Tetration a^^3+x = a^a^^2+x = a^a^a^^1+x = a^a^a^a^^x a^a^a^a^^x = a^a^a^a^x a^a^a^^x = a^a^a^x a^a^^x = a^a^x a^^x = a^x by definition for 0 ≤ x ≤ 1 so e^^1/2 = e^1/2 = √e ≈ 1.6487212707
@sans1331
@sans1331 4 месяца назад
wow, well said. great observation.
@sans1331
@sans1331 4 месяца назад
what seems to be overlooked a lot is that even if different answers are met with different methods, the answer other people get for e^^1/2 is still very, *_very_* close to sqrt(e).
@niftimalcompression
@niftimalcompression 9 месяцев назад
22:49 you say 1, do you not mean 0?
@williamcompitello2302
@williamcompitello2302 9 месяцев назад
Someone: My problems get exponentially larger! Someone emo:
@MozzarellaWizard
@MozzarellaWizard 10 месяцев назад
I have entered the Mathematics Realm in RU-vid it appears.
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 10 месяцев назад
1:11 Can we also do this backwards? i.e. Express addition itself as doing something else repeatedly?
@returndislikes6906
@returndislikes6906 10 месяцев назад
Thats called zeration or hyper0 operator
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 10 месяцев назад
@@returndislikes6906 So.............basically doing nothing? 😅
@returndislikes6906
@returndislikes6906 10 месяцев назад
@@feynstein1004 its logical operator. it is similar to max function
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 9 месяцев назад
@@returndislikes6906 Hmm I don't understand
@biometrix_
@biometrix_ 10 месяцев назад
12:23 But... why can you do this???
@notwithouttext
@notwithouttext 10 месяцев назад
yknow you could've reused the nested function notation for exp
@ImchautzuCHAUTZU
@ImchautzuCHAUTZU 10 месяцев назад
I initially thought of it as arrow notation rather than the superscript notation Graham’s # is unnecessarily big
@yglyglya
@yglyglya 10 месяцев назад
It's really small, just ≈ 3{{1}}65
@DrumTimes_
@DrumTimes_ 10 месяцев назад
You are so smart. I have conviction that this is very important in math.
@Blackfromstickworld
@Blackfromstickworld 10 месяцев назад
What about repeated tetration
@denizkirbiyik9221
@denizkirbiyik9221 8 месяцев назад
Pentation
@22tfortnitevevo
@22tfortnitevevo 10 месяцев назад
googology flashbacks
@user-lp4mw9pc8e
@user-lp4mw9pc8e 10 месяцев назад
The methods you have employed in this exploration are really quite primitive. Lambert's numbers, first off, have no generalized exponentiation manifold that can be used to complete the same analysis you have here postulated. Furthermore, Euler's grid-based derivative theorems have no tangible sequential proof that can be reasonably extrapolated to iterate f(x)=e^$ combinatorically. Functions of tetration are not numerically ordinal AT ALL. No one past the 2nd grade can make the claims that you have, unless they hit their head and the brain cells containing all mention of Fermat's Polynomial Truncated Formula are instantly destroyed. ALSO, nice partial-numerical truncation function bypass at 8:45, I know you tried to slip that past unsuspecting viewers but I caught it.
@jackricky5453
@jackricky5453 10 месяцев назад
Great Video. Hope you post more, but I do wonder how one would generalize to the irrational numbers.
@mavaction
@mavaction 11 месяцев назад
Well.. I can't think of anyone more suited to explore the next hyper-operation... I guess "pentatration".... Which sounds risky. I honestly dread the thought...
@denizkirbiyik9221
@denizkirbiyik9221 8 месяцев назад
It's Pentation, not Pentration.
@mavaction
@mavaction 11 месяцев назад
I'll have what he's having.
@HarambaeXelonmuskfans
@HarambaeXelonmuskfans 11 месяцев назад
Tetrisation